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Ram makes a 1500 with a Cummins in Canada? I wish that they would offer that down here.
No, I built it. Follow the link in my signature. I wanted better fuel economy then a Hemi and reliability of a Cummins (not an ED) so I built a 4 cylinder 1500 diesel. Tows VERY well.
 

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Another thought on EVs
State Highways will have dedicated lanes for EVs
The EV driver will drive onto the highway & cross over to the fast lane or Carpool Lane.
Then they will press a button & their vehicle will go into autonomous mode. In the road pavement there will be some sort of electro mechanical setup.
The driver will program in a WAY Point & the vehicles computer will take over & signal the driver when they are near there destination, at that time the driver will take over the vehicle again.
You know Tesla does this now without a special lane. I got passed by one on I90 and the guy in the drivers seat was working on his laptop while the car drove itself.
 

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Those issues are exactly what is slowing down the momentum of EV's.
I'll add some:
There is huge concern about how city dwellers will charge their vehicles (NYC, etc.). Many people do not have garages and rely on finding street parking. Some planners are urging cities to deploy curbside charging stations but the logistics is a nightmare. Is two per block enough, should it be 3 or 5, etc.? What if you need to go somewhere the next day and can't find an open charging station? What if the spots aren't used? Undoubtedly, a non-EV vehicle parked in the spot will be treated as an immediate tow, but you have the potential of having open spaces when non-EV vehicles have nowhere to park.

I see some shopping centers are installing charging stations in their lots (typically 2). Great for now because today you're basically guaranteed a spot, but what if more and more people need them? Now you'll have people outraged at how long someone is in the spot, etc. Let me guess....it will eventually turn into "Pay to Charge".

It takes some planning today to go on a long-distance trip. Imagine having to plot out charging stations every 200 miles. And even fast-charge stations take a few hours. How long will it take to travel 600 miles?
Which is why I said I'd consider a plug-in hybrid. I'm fine with using battery power for my 25 minute commute. Most hybrids have the range for that. But I could still drive the vehicle when the battery goes flat by running on an ICE power source. Whether it's powering the vehicle or charging the battery. As long as it doesn't hinder my ability to get to where I want to go without the need to sit at a charging station for who knows how long.
 

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Those Teslas are getting a reputation
First it was the guy down in Australia, he left a watering hole drunk & set the car to drive him home.
I think a Policeman pulled up alongside of the Tesla at a signal light & saw the driver was sleeping.

There have been more people in Texas & California that did the same thing & were caught sleeping
 

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I can see a billboard advertisement now

More Drunk Drivers Trust Ram Trucks !
 

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Won't be long before you see car bodies on cinder blocks, but instead of the wheels they'll steal the whole EV chassis.
 

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Give me 1,000hp - 1200lb/ft of torque , and load capacity of a 5500 with 800 mile range and I’ll buy one.

As long as it looks like a truck.
It’s a simple matter of increasing energy density of battery cells. The chemistry will change but advancement is a mathematical certainty.
 

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Did you know that Trump has a lot of land in Texas
I think it is in an area called the Badlands

Back when Texas started building Wind Farms

Several companies approached him from all over the world
They wanted to put Wind & Solar Farms on that unused land

He flat out stated that he did not want that stuff on his land
 

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Don't worry, tax by the mile is coming soon
Tax by the mile is easy. Every road will be a toll road with tag readers. The technology exists, just need to install it.
 

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The Texas situation was completely and utterly avoidable, and only happened because Texas does Texas things. And while blackouts and such do happen, you know what also doesn't work when you're in a blackout? Fuel pumps and gas station terminals. I also think it's worth reminding you that creating fuel isn't some environmentally friendly process either. And at least with batteries, they can recycled a handful of times. Unlike fuel.

You do make one decent point though. We aren't prepared to have an all electric country, today. That's completely right. Which is exactly why it's being pushed now. If everyone just sat on their hands and said "doh this doesn't work right now so why bother", innovation would never take place. And the people buying in now, are pushing that innovation. The reality is this whole process is going to take decades upon decades to occur, which you're actually alluding to in your post, but for some reason so many feel like the big bad government is one day away from knocking on their door and trying to rip their ICE vehicle from their cold dead hands.

Personally, I'll be pretty shocked if we see a _full_ EV country in my lifetime, and I'm only 35. But once there is an EV that meets my needs as my Power Wagon does, I'll be all in. And I'll be psyched blowing the doors off the diesels with my nearly unlimited torque, too.
What I was trying to say was that, and you concur, we are nowhere near having a power grid that can support an all electric vehicle climate in America, or for that matter, anywhere else in the world. I agree completely that processing crude is an environmental problem, but at least they just put a hole in the ground. To acquire lithium and other minerals needed for the batteries, the environmental damage is considerable. As you also said, we are not even close to being there, but the governmental push is trying to force it on us, instead of making it a gradual switch. What will happen to those people who drive clunkers out of necessity because they can't go out and buy newer vehicles? They will end up walking, be dependent on public transportation, or be dependent on friends or family to take them where they need to go. I live in a small town, and there is one state provided small bus people can take for a small fee. Small towns don't have bus stops on every other corner. You have to schedule a ride on the bus. I just think about the problems that forcing electric vehicles on us is going to create for less fortunate members of our society. And as much as it seems like I am completely against them, I'm not. We are just not at a point that it's practical to expect everyone to get rid of ICE vehicles. And I'm sure not gonna put a battery in my 72 Demon. And my last comment, I promise; you're 35 and don't expect to see it in your lifetime, I'm 68, be 69 in June if the Lord allows, so I definitely won't be around for it, well, unless I live to be over 100.
 

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I don’t like the look of the truck. I don’t like electrical vehicles at all. I get that we have to have some regulations to have clean air but think of the amount of pollution that power plants are going to produce to provide an even bigger demand for electricity. Think about the cost of your electric bill going up even more especially for the people that don’t make a lot of money. Think about the cost to fix it when you have an electric problem and you don’t have any warranty. I don’t think you are going to get rid of crude oil completely because of other products like diesel, jet fuel, motor oil, and others.
 

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the governmental push is trying to force it on us, instead of making it a gradual switch. What will happen to those people who drive clunkers out of necessity because they can't go out and buy newer vehicles? They will end up walking, be dependent on public transportation, or be dependent on friends or family to take them where they need to go. I live in a small town, and there is one state provided small bus people can take for a small fee. Small towns don't have bus stops on every other corner. You have to schedule a ride on the bus. I just think about the problems that forcing electric vehicles on us is going to create for less fortunate members of our society. And as much as it seems like I am completely against them, I'm not. We are just not at a point that it's practical to expect everyone to get rid of ICE vehicles. And I'm sure not gonna put a battery in my 72 Demon. And my last comment, I promise; you're 35 and don't expect to see it in your lifetime, I'm 68, be 69 in June if the Lord allows, so I definitely won't be around for it, well, unless I live to be over 100.
Here in Canada we still have the right to buy a gas or diesel powered vehicle, I was not aware that in the US you were now forced to buy an EV. Here its a choice to buy an EV and most people are buying them because they require vertually no mainatnce and are so inexpensive to operate. My 2000 Jeep Cherokee with a 1.9 TDI gets a bit over 30 MPG which is impressive but to drive 200km costs us about $17. Our 2019 Kia Soul EV will do that same 200km drive for just $5.50 and will never need an oil change or any of the other maintance gas cars need. The brakes will last many years and maybe the life of the car since it uses regen braking through the drive system. The car companies are going to build what sells and at the moment there are long waits to buy a lot of the EV models. I agree with most people that the infrastructure will need upgrading. One thing that most people here are missing is that if you have a parking spot at home or in a condo then 95% of your charging is done at home, you don't need to look for a charging station and pay their high rates. Your car is always "fueled up" in the morning. You can also program the car to charge on off peak power if thats avalable in your area which then shifts a lot of the charging load to the nightime when there is normally a surplus of power. This is a relativly new technology and has evolved rapidly in the last 10 years and will continue to evolve. As far as the people who cant afford a new EV its just like older gas cars, used EV's will get sold and traded in and resold for far less than new. Rebuilt battery packs are a common thing now for hybrids and starting to see them for EV's at a fraction of the cost of a new pack. Hotroders are already playing with the electronics in EV's to get amazing power from them and as far as your cool Demon goes my old company is doing some amazing EV swaps into older cars and had three of them at SEMA last fall. True the smell and sound from a fuel burning rod is hard to beat but some people are looking to the future and not stuck in the past.
 

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Here in Canada we still have the right to buy a gas or diesel powered vehicle, I was not aware that in the US you were now forced to buy an EV. Here its a choice to buy an EV and most people are buying them because they require vertually no mainatnce and are so inexpensive to operate. My 2000 Jeep Cherokee with a 1.9 TDI gets a bit over 30 MPG which is impressive but to drive 200km costs us about $17. Our 2019 Kia Soul EV will do that same 200km drive for just $5.50 and will never need an oil change or any of the other maintance gas cars need. The brakes will last many years and maybe the life of the car since it uses regen braking through the drive system. The car companies are going to build what sells and at the moment there are long waits to buy a lot of the EV models. I agree with most people that the infrastructure will need upgrading. One thing that most people here are missing is that if you have a parking spot at home or in a condo then 95% of your charging is done at home, you don't need to look for a charging station and pay their high rates. Your car is always "fueled up" in the morning. You can also program the car to charge on off peak power if thats avalable in your area which then shifts a lot of the charging load to the nightime when there is normally a surplus of power. This is a relativly new technology and has evolved rapidly in the last 10 years and will continue to evolve. As far as the people who cant afford a new EV its just like older gas cars, used EV's will get sold and traded in and resold for far less than new. Rebuilt battery packs are a common thing now for hybrids and starting to see them for EV's at a fraction of the cost of a new pack. Hotroders are already playing with the electronics in EV's to get amazing power from them and as far as your cool Demon goes my old company is doing some amazing EV swaps into older cars and had three of them at SEMA last fall. True the smell and sound from a fuel burning rod is hard to beat but some people are looking to the future and not stuck in the past.
Why do you think we are being forced to buy EV? That's not what demonram said at all. The majority of vehicles sold in the US are still gas or diesel powered. EV's make up something like 2% of new vehicle sales. No one is forcing anyone to buy EV yet.
 

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I don’t like the look of the truck. I don’t like electrical vehicles at all. I get that we have to have some regulations to have clean air but think of the amount of pollution that power plants are going to produce to provide an even bigger demand for electricity. Think about the cost of your electric bill going up even more especially for the people that don’t make a lot of money. Think about the cost to fix it when you have an electric problem and you don’t have any warranty. I don’t think you are going to get rid of crude oil completely because of other products like diesel, jet fuel, motor oil, and others.
Just being the devils advocate here because statements like these interest me as to how they were conceived.You state you don't like EV's, how many have you driven lately? What don't you like about them? I think they are fantastic, the power is amazing and the low operating cost really helps the budget. Its MUCH easier to regulate the emissions from a single power plant that powers 100,000 EV's than regulating the emisions from 100,000 gas burning cars. Yes those poorer people will see a small increase in thier electric bill but they will also see a 3X reduction in thier fuel bill so in the end they will save money. There is now a growing bunch of backyard "mechanics" that tinker with EV's just like gas cars. As used EV's get more common so will the people who repair and tinker with them, they also have so many fewer parts that they will be cheaper to maintain going forward. Have you done much troubleshooting and repair on your RAM? Without the proper diagnostic equipment its almost impossible. I think petrolium will be around for as long as there is crude to pump out of the ground or dig out of the tar sands, its just in so many other products like plastic. The more we can reduce burning it the more we can use it for more important things.
 

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Why do you think we are being forced to buy EV? That's not what demonram said at all. The majority of vehicles sold in the US are still gas or diesel powered. EV's make up something like 2% of new vehicle sales. No one is forcing anyone to buy EV yet.
Well thats good to know, a number of posts claimed or made it sound like you were being forced to buy them.
"the governmental push is trying to force it on us, instead of making it a gradual switch."
 

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Well thats good to know, a number of posts claimed or made it sound like you were being forced to buy them.
"the governmental push is trying to force it on us, instead of making it a gradual switch."
That seems to the largest talking point for people against EVs, and it's pretty unfounded. California is currently claiming they will only sell EVs come 2035. So in over a decade from now, one state may have this in place for new vehicles. If I remember correctly, a few other states are considering it, and a few others want Biden to push for it in 2045. And again, this is only for new cars, which I think is also a very important distinction. Newsoms order or whatever, again as far as I can remember, said nothing about existing cars either. So if you're either against EVs for whatever reason, or can't afford them, every car made prior to when (if) this actually starts will still be available to own. At this time, that's another 13 years of production - shortest case, and assuming that every manufacturer also immediately stops all ICE production at that time (lol).

Literally everything, including the hallucinatory issue that the power grid will for some reason see no improvements by the time the entire country is using EVs, that was in demonrams latest post is nothing more than ungrounded fear of change really. And strangely enough, that's the majority of the anti-EV truck crowd sentiment. I wish they'd just say "I like my noisy deleted diesel, and current EVs don't meet my needs", and call it there. Writing off the future due to current capabilities is so shortsighted. Imagine if these guys were in charge when people wanted to fly or go to the moon?
 
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OK, so I have actually ordered a new EV truck, but I doubt it will replace my RAM 2500! And yes, it is kind of homely, we are gonna call it tellatubby LOL.

That said, I am not buying it to save the planet, although every little bit helps. The tellatubby does 0-60 in 3 seconds, which is faster than any Porsche, Corvette, or BMW I have owned.

It has 315 miles of range, probably half that towing a trailer, but it will tow 11,000 lbs.

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You keep doing 0 to 60 in 3 seconds, you are only going to do 50 mile range!!
 
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