New electric Ram

Lee Pedrick said:

You keep doing 0 to 60 in 3 seconds, you are only going to do 50 mile range!!

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But a FUN 50 miles. :>)

Southern Ram said:

Think about the cost of your electric bill going up even more especially for the people that don’t make a lot of money. Think about the cost to fix it when you have an electric problem and you don’t have any warranty.

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What happens if your electric bill is substantially less, which it will be at least today, than your fuel costs? And isn't the fix-it problem exactly the same, if not worse based on the fact that there are many more fail points, with ICE vehicles as well? I'd be curious to know why you think fixing problems in an EV is going to be some massive problem in comparison to any modern vehicle, really. Nearly every component in my PW is electrically controlled. There is an incredibly strong chance I won't own this truck beyond warranty for that exact reason.

Fixing an EV isn't the issue.
Finding a certified technician who can will be the problem.
Thousands of garages everywhere that fix cars.
Maybe a handful nationwide that can fix an EV.

I'd argue you're cherry-picking problems, slightly. The mom and pop shop up the road from me can do oil changes, or replace the axle on my XJ, but I'd imagine they'd have a hell of a time working on anything that isn't plug and play mechanical on my PW. And, I'd think that's largely the same with an EV. Diagnosing a software or electrical problem, or performance tuning, likely complicated and one would need special tools as they do for ICE vehicles today. But any mom and pop shop can replace the brakes or shocks on a Leaf or whatever.

But you are right in a larger sense. Today, there aren't the thousands of certified EV garages as there are for ICE vehicles. But, surely that will change won't it? If you don't think so, I know what my next business venture will be because the demand will obviously be there if more and more people continue to buy in.

mcarey said:

But you are right in a larger sense. Today, there aren't the thousands of certified EV garages as there are for ICE vehicles. But, surely that will change won't it? If you don't think so, I know what my next business venture will be because the demand will obviously be there if more and more people continue to buy in.

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You are exactly correct. Think back (well maybe look at history books to when cars started to become more common on the streets than horses and all the stables that had to evolve or go out of business. If there is a demand our capitalist society will fill it. We are just at the beginning of this next evolution of transportation.

Ha, there was a reason I referenced horse riders being horrified by the concept of having to go and fuel up at a gas station earlier in this thread.

I mean, I can step back and totally understand the fear. I suppose I just didn't realize how many people are seemingly scared of such a change in this day and age.

The way gov't does things, is what irritates me

One thing in particular that happened in the past
was when they grabbed up all of those repairable vehicles.

Going around telling parents that they could not keep their Sons 1956 chevy bel aire parked on the property if it did not run, while the son or daughter was fighting some stupid war.
That grown child had worked their butts off to buy that special vehicle.
They get out of the military & are thinking about 2 things, fixing up that cherished vehicle & finding someone to share their lives with.

The Gov't mandated that all of the classic vehicles be crushed & no parts could be removed from the vehicle.

Even the people doing the car crushing were saddened

GTyankee said:

The way gov't does things, is what irritates me

One thing in particular that happened in the past
was when they grabbed up all of those repairable vehicles.

Going around telling parents that they could not keep their Sons 1956 chevy bel aire parked on the property if it did not run, while the son or daughter was fighting some stupid war.
That grown child had worked their butts off to buy that special vehicle.
They get out of the military & are thinking about 2 things, fixing up that cherished vehicle & finding someone to share their lives with.

The Gov't mandated that all of the classic vehicles be crushed & no parts could be removed from the vehicle.

Even the people doing the car crushing were saddened

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Can you share some material on this? This is a story I've never heard before, and Googling got me no where.

You all are more that welcome to enjoy your future EV's. And with my blessing. Drive what you want to drive. As for me, I'd prefer to drive a gas burner with a V8 engine. I couldn't care less about tow rating or how fast it will go 0 to 60. It's about the driving experience. And part of that is hearing the sound of a healthy V8 engine. No way I can have the same driving experience in an EV. Maybe in 10 or 20 years I'll change my mind. But if I had to decided today I would pick a vehicle with an ICE.

Evguy1 said:

If there is a demand our capitalist society will fill it. We are just at the beginning of this next evolution of transportation.

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That's just it, the demand for EV's is not there yet. Sure, there are people like you who want them, but you are in the minority for sure. The push right now for electric is political. The party in charge doesn't want us using fossil fuels. There is nothing capitalist about that.

mikeru said:

The push right now for electric is political. The party in charge doesn't want us using fossil fuels. There is nothing capitalist about that.

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Honest question, did you feel that way throughout Trumps presidency while EV sales increased year over year as well, or is this a new thought for you? And I'm curious how you think US politics are also causing the year over year increase in EV ownership in countries outside the US as well. We don't even come close to the adoption rates of many other countries.

Yea, I think a lot of people are going electric because of the huge savings. Like I posted before, the auto companies cant keep up with demand, the wait lists to get an EV are months long for some models. Sort of contradicts the theory that demand is not there yet.
The torque and acceleration of an EV while being very quite is quite an experience, sort of like the silent power of a racing sailboat. I raced cars for years and still love the sound of the turbo spooling up on my RAM and my Jeep but the feeling of the EV is also pretty impressive. I know anyone who says they will never buy an EV would not have the balls to wonder into a dealership and test drive one. I'm the same way with food, my whole life I have said I will never eat Brussel sprouts and still have not had the courage to try them. Who knows I may even like them if I had the balls to try them but that's my choice.

I quit discussing EV's versus ICE's. It can't be done without talking politics and politics s u c k! Everything being said on both sides (ME INCLUDED) is nothing but pure speculation because none of us KNOW. None of us has been through a world with EV only vehicles. I'm at the age to where I'm not going to be fooling with EV's anyway in my lifetime! I will keep enjoying my ICE till the end and have a blast doing it!

2012RAM1500RT said:

I quit discussing EV's versus ICE's. It can't be done without talking politics and politics s u c k! Everything being said on both sides (ME INCLUDED) is nothing but pure speculation because none of us KNOW. None of us has been through a world with EV only vehicles. I'm at the age to where I'm not going to be fooling with EV's anyway in my lifetime! I will keep enjoying my ICE till the end and have a blast doing it!

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Yes well said, I have been in the EV business for over 30 years and its always a us V them situation. I think a RAM EV thread is a good thing if we can keep it to the ACTAUL truck instead of the politics.

NJMOPAR said:

Pretty soon they'll run out of people to tax, then what?
The homeless will be the only ones left to use the charging stations (as urinals)

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That’s why we have open borders. Lol

2012RAM1500RT said:

I quit discussing EV's versus ICE's. It can't be done without talking politics and politics s u c k! Everything being said on both sides (ME INCLUDED) is nothing but pure speculation because none of us KNOW. None of us has been through a world with EV only vehicles. I'm at the age to where I'm not going to be fooling with EV's anyway in my lifetime! I will keep enjoying my ICE till the end and have a blast doing it!

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I thought we’d have fly cars by now.

We do.

If I was much younger I think this is the way to go to work. https://youtu.be/Pv5JQnmD1Yk

Just wait, when the time comes and most if not all vehicles are EVs and the Govt. really wants to keep us caged up like animals, they will do it with EMPs and render everyone's EVs useless for as long as they want .... there is a reason why they want to get rid of diesel engine vehicles and only want the military to have them .... an EMP would be able to disable most modern cars now especially if the are EVs ... you can't disable a diesel engine vehicle with an EMP especially the older ones ...

The time "WILL" come and when it does there will be no escape from these tyrants ...

Gents, this has been an interesting discussion so far but we gotta step back from the political stuff here.

2012RAM1500RT said:

I quit discussing EV's versus ICE's. It can't be done without talking politics and politics s u c k!

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I agree with this, and truly struggle to understand it really. People have been designing electric cars for north of 100 years now, with the large-scale mass-market production having been around for more than a decade now. And that's ignoring the electricity use in loading and freight equipment, public transport, and rail transport. But now, all of a sudden, electric motors are political. It's the most Looney Toons story I've heard in the auto industry in ages.

Why all of a sudden people are hellbent on rejecting technology because their favorite political team says so is bizarre. And I'd assume if you're willing to believe the idea that team A has a vested interest in fuel source A which is why they are pushing for it, you should rationally assume that political team B has a vested interest in fuel source B as well. But what do I know?

The whole thing is just crazy to me, and I guess I'm just becoming increasingly more and more happy to not allow politicians to control my thoughts at such a level. Though it is 4:30 on a Tuesday, so I should be awaiting my weekly phone call from my old man where he regurgitates all the things his favorite team has made him outraged over since we last spoke - as that seems to be all he can think about these days.

edit: @rule18 , just saw your post after this submission was created. If it's too political, though I would err on the side of it not being so since it contains no actual sides, names, or whatever, either let me know or feel free to purge it. I like the EV discussion, so I'd hate to see this thread canned because of it.