I'm about to order a new 2022 Rebel Ecodiesel...

JohnnyMac · Feb 6, 2022

BossHogg said:
Diesels cost more upfront but the resale vehicle will return the investment.

This 100! The increased price is always in the conversation of why NOT to buy a diesel, but people never realize that much of that initial cost carries over to the resale value....which makes that initial cost less of a deal breaker.

Kenobi said:
I'm pretty happy with my ED

Said no man ever....

GTyankee · Feb 6, 2022

I like my 2016 Eco-diesel so far
I admit i only have 61,000 miles on it , but i have not worked since February 8th 2020, ( almost 2 years to the day )
I should have around 120,000, but i have been plagued with medical issues.

Besides the original cost of the Ram, 3 gas filters & a set of Michelin Tires, i have no money in it, besides fuel

Kenobi · Feb 6, 2022

JohnnyMac said:
This 100! The increased price is always in the conversation of why NOT to buy a diesel, but people never realize that much of that initial cost carries over to the resale value....which makes that initial cost less of a deal breaker.

Said no man ever....

I was wondering if that would be brought up lol

White six four · Feb 6, 2022

Kenobi said:
I was wondering if that would be brought up lol

Somebody had to bring it up. From the sounds of it, it wasn't going to do it by itself.

KC5TGQ · Feb 7, 2022

redneckincanada said:
Is there anything I should know before I pull the trigger? ANY advice would help me out, but...

I am most concerned with two things:

1) are the power folding mirrors an option, and if so, do I select the "Power, Manual Folding Tow Mirrors" option to get them? I don't want giant oversized ugly tow mirrors, I just need them to
power fold to fit in my garage.

2) my company vehicle is a 2016 Laramie with the Alpine system. I've been happy with it, but am not sure if these 2022's have the same quality due to the fact that they now offer this Harmon Kardon one
which doesn't sound very good from the reviews I've seen so far. If I go with the Alpine one, can I expect the same quality as what is in my 2016 Laramie?

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Don't get the Eco-D. It is a Fiat designed engine that has been problematic. YouTube is loaded with people that are cursing them. They clog up with silt etc..

NotSoFast · Feb 7, 2022

I had a 2018 ecodiesel until it threw a rod. It took about 6 months for the dealer to get an engine for it. About half its miles were pulling a small single axle travel trailer. It did fine for that, although it was no speed demon on hills. The best thing about it was the tranny: the 8-speed had a 2Hi, a 4WD Hi, a 4WD Low range, and a 4wd Auto. The 4-auto was great for occasional slush or patchy snow.
We decided to trade it in because we didn't want to wait for many months for the dealer to fix it. We had tried out the 2500 gasser but went with the Cummins. We still tow a lot, and the 2500 is rock solid, even in high winds. And the exhaust brake and the engine brake are much stronger than the ecodiesel, so I seldom touch the brakes on downgrades. The fuel efficiency isn't as good as the ecodiesel, but I do enjoy the power and stability of the 2500 Cummins.

KC Kevin · Feb 7, 2022

I have a '22 Eco Limited (Red) Edition and I just love it. Its early; I have 2200 miles. I've not towed with it. My mileage is ranging from 22 to 26.5. If I slowed down it would improve LOL. Zero problems so far.
This truck is quiet and sooooo comfortable.

farout75 · Feb 7, 2022

The RAM 1500 diesel is made in Italy by V. M. Motori. It has a poor durability reputation. this now is it on its I believe the 4th gen. It gets good mpg of fuel, but as any RAM service department supervisor and they will tell you they have issues. Chrysler first put a VM Motori 4 cyc engine in a Jeep Liberty in 2005. I had one! it was in the shop 25 times in 16 months. Chrysler bought it back. Most all of the two years they made 2005 and 2006 and were bought back. So the bad reputation still follows and I would never buy these diesel engines

farout75 · Feb 7, 2022

BossHogg said:
It does, about $2,700 (3.8% of MSRP) above the cost of the Hemi. So one needs to think it out, is a diesel a need or a want. My 2022 is an ECODiesel, a want but I also keep my trucks 8 or 9 years so I will likely break even but that isn't a goal, I simply like diesels. My 2015 3500 is a Cummins, definitely a need.

Now on this issue of diesels costing "so much more" as some want you to believe, to maintain, let's put that to rest. It does not cost a lot more, but a bit more. You need to consider how often a diesel requires an oil change compared to a gasser, my Hemi would go through 2 or 3 oil changes to 1 oil change on the Cummins. It cost me around $65 to change the oil in the Cummins. Fuel filters are an additional expense of about $98. DEF usage is so little it isn't worth the conversation. Diesels do not break, they are very robust if left the way the engineers designed them. Diesels cost more upfront but the resale vehicle will return the investment.

My son was a powertrain engineer at Chrysler before moving to the supplier network. He was working with the initial ECODiesel versions. Yes, there were issues but he assured me, and he did ask his friends that are working on the ECODiesel program, they have the issues resolved and the current generation of ECODiesels is very robust.

So far, I'm quite impressed with the little ECODiesel albeit I've only had the truck for a couple of weeks and just over 300 miles. It is winter here in Michigan, cold mornings, usually single digits temperature on either side of zero. The ECODiesel fires right up, almost instantly after a remote start procedure. Plenty of power, quiet operation, pulls like a mule, and nearly twice the MPG over the Hemi. The only downside is the warm-up, not quite as fast as the Hemi it replaced.

Trade it while it still has any value!

turkeybird56 · Feb 7, 2022

redneckincanada said:
Is there anything I should know before I pull the trigger? ANY advice would help me out, but...

I am most concerned with two things:

1) are the power folding mirrors an option, and if so, do I select the "Power, Manual Folding Tow Mirrors" option to get them? I don't want giant oversized ugly tow mirrors, I just need them to
power fold to fit in my garage.

2) my company vehicle is a 2016 Laramie with the Alpine system. I've been happy with it, but am not sure if these 2022's have the same quality due to the fact that they now offer this Harmon Kardon one
which doesn't sound very good from the reviews I've seen so far. If I go with the Alpine one, can I expect the same quality as what is in my 2016 Laramie?

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I had a 2015 ED Gen 2, which I got rid of and went to a Gen 5 Hemi in 2018. I had no problems with the ED, but the Gen 2's did have problems that were allegedly upgraded and a lil redesign for the Gen 3 ED's. My thought is this: As long as U work that Diesel like a Diesel and not a Grocery Getter, U prob be OK. If just using for 5 mile town trips, the Diesel not work for U. They are made to be run and worked, U end up with DPF and regen issues. All IMHO... As far as audio, I only ever had the base system, no help to U there. Check and confirm U get the mirrors U want. I have power fold/heated mirrors on MY 19. Here is how listed on build sheet: Power Heated Mirrors, Fold-Away. Best I can do.

Tracy in IL · Feb 7, 2022

i have an 2017 Eco. Wish I had bought the V6. Most reliable engine, over 300 HP, and close to ED gas mileage. If your not going to tow a lot, or put on bigger than 34" tires, I'd go V6.

weldguy · Feb 7, 2022

If it's a newer diesel meeting all EPA mandates, it will begin having problems... maybe around 50K miles if you're lucky. My son has purchased only diesels the past 20 years. The later the model year, the more problematic they have become strictly due to emissions. These engines are being asked to be cleaner at the expense of reliability. Just ask CAT why it stopped making over the road engines years ago.

HEMIMANN · Feb 7, 2022

farout75 said:
The RAM 1500 diesel is made in Italy by V. M. Motori. It has a poor durability reputation. this now is it on its I believe the 4th gen. It gets good mpg of fuel, but as any RAM service department supervisor and they will tell you they have issues. Chrysler first put a VM Motori 4 cyc engine in a Jeep Liberty in 2005. I had one! it was in the shop 25 times in 16 months. Chrysler bought it back. Most all of the two years they made 2005 and 2006 and were bought back. So the bad reputation still follows and I would never buy these diesel engines

Good old Fiat. I guess no one else was interested in bankrupt Chrysler after the disastrous German takeover, eh? Shame.

Timsdually · Feb 7, 2022

My wife's 2018 Grand Cherokee Eco has been the most reliable vehicle she has owned. 50,000 miles, nothing but oil changes and fuel filter changes. Excellent mileage, plenty of power, fast off the line even, if you put your foot down.
Only regret is the Grand Cherokee doesn't have the Eco anymore and when we replace this, we won't be able to just buy the same thing in a new model year.

Billincamo · Feb 7, 2022

Love my Ecodiesel, Its my 2nd and no major problems. Highly recommend.

NOV87 · Feb 8, 2022

Billincamo said:
Love my Ecodiesel, Its my 2nd and no major problems. Highly recommend.

How many miles were on the first one?

jwrich4 · Feb 8, 2022

I have a ~2300 mile, Level 2, 21 2WD 5.7' RamBox, Big Horn EcoDiesel w/33gal tank bought Sep 21.
If I dont play with the torque around town (Miami), I get high 24's to low 25's mpg. The lowest mpg I've seen is 21.9, "hooning" around.
The longest highway trip averaged 29 mpg w/ cruise set to 80.
I fill up around 1/2 tank, and the system consistently reads 930+ miles to empty when I start up. I've used not quite 1/2 a tank of DEF in this time.
I heard (read) all the horror stories about the previous EcoDiesel's. I did my research and rolled the dice that Stellantis wouldn't build the new Gen trucks with a time bomb under the hood.
It's early days but I have no regrets.

POI: In my 64 trips around the sun, I've owned a number of vehicles with sunroof's.
They all leak water eventually and are expensive to repair, during the summer they are hot as "hades" if left uncovered, they leak heat in the winter if left uncovered and noisy as a 3 year old when driving on the highway if open.
IMHO, save the money, the return on investment is minimal.

turkeybird56 · Feb 8, 2022

jwrich4 said:
I have a ~2300 mile, Level 2, 21 2WD 5.7' RamBox, Big Horn EcoDiesel w/33gal tank bought Sep 21.
If I dont play with the torque around town (Miami), I get high 24's to low 25's mpg. The lowest mpg I've seen is 21.9, "hooning" around.
The longest highway trip averaged 29 mpg w/ cruise set to 80.
I fill up around 1/2 tank, and the system consistently reads 930+ miles to empty when I start up. I've used not quite 1/2 a tank of DEF in this time.
I heard (read) all the horror stories about the previous EcoDiesel's. I did my research and rolled the dice that Stellantis wouldn't build the new Gen trucks with a time bomb under the hood.
It's early days but I have no regrets.

POI: In my 64 trips around the sun, I've owned a number of vehicles with sunroof's.
They all leak water eventually and are expensive to repair, during the summer they are hot as "hades" if left uncovered, they leak heat in the winter if left uncovered and noisy as a 3 year old when driving on the highway if open.
IMHO, save the money, the return on investment is minimal.

Best of luck on yer new ride.

Kenobi · Feb 8, 2022

There are opinions, and there are facts and research.

djnelson5460 · Feb 8, 2022

Diesel’s are a superior engine, when the run correctly. If they have problems they’re expensive to repair, but don’t go by the oil life monitoring system- I would change the oil at 5k-7k miles, depending on how much you tow with it

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