Ram lost sale saturday!

Hemi adventure said:

My son in law has a 2017 F250 Platinum and had been thinking about ordering a new truck. He has done research and had decided to go for a new Ram 3500 top of the line truck. He went Saturday to a dealer about 30 miles from here that I recommended. He talked to the sales manager and was ready to order. They had one in stock they had just gotten in and told him to take it and try it out. That is when things went sideways. He says he liked the interior, and the over all look of the Ram dually but when he got on the interstate and "punched it" there was a hesitation and then a noise like he never heard but it just didn't go. He got back to the dealer and ask about it and they said it was normal. I've got the 6.4 gas in my 2021 and have not driven or rode in a HO diesel Ram so I could not be of help. Anyway he ended up going on up the road to a Ford dealer and ordered a 2022 Platinum F350 dually instead, which they said would maybe be delivered by July. His current F250 has a diesel and the demo Ford he drove he said has the same power as his, when he romped it got up and went with no hesitation. So like I said I haven't had any diesel experience so I didn't know what to say, I just hope he is happy down the road. I really like my Rams I've had and they do ride better and to me are more comfy.

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WY-Dave said:

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tjfdesmo said:

Three things at play.
1. The Cummins is a long stroke, tall deck, straight-six truck engine that is not quick revving by design. They feel lazy, especially when romping around empty. Hook a load to it, and they are happier. The Vee motors are quicker revving and have 1,000 more RPM to work with(higher redline). I prefer a truck engine, but that has always been the case.

2. Chrysler's torque management programming is extremely heavy-handed to protect the driveline. "Dead-pedal" has been an ongoing complaint, and compounds item #1 badly. Shame on them for not figuring this out.

3. The Aisin transmission is very stout, but is extremely slow shifting(feels like an Eaton auto-shift), and can be very clunky in behavior. It is also a learning transmission, and will improve a bit as it learns. Mine has done all the learning it's going to do at 57K miles, and it is still pretty darn clunky. Ram really needs to step it up. That said, hotshotters who pull heavy every day regularly get 500K out of an Aisin.

There's a butt for every seat, and everybody should drive what they like. I like a truck engine not a hot rod. If I HAD to buy a Vee diesel, I'd pick the Dmax over the Pstroke, plus the Dmax does not have the dreaded Bosch CP4, which Ford still runs, GM finally dropped when the L5P came out, and Ram learned a very hard and expensive lesson on with the 2019 and 2020 Cummins when they played with fire and got burned.

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tjfdesmo said:

This is true!

But, I must add that dead-pedal is not turbo lag.

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