Mopars new turbo 6 cylinder Hurricane's appear to be very impressive

ramffml said:

I remain hopeful that this war is almost over. There is speculation that Putin has some sort of health issue (cancer) and that he is on steroids because of that (causing his puffy face and he looked very weak/fragile in that one pic posted on the 'net few days ago). There is also talk of him being replaced, and lets face it his army is not much of an army at this point, morale is near bottom as well. Their economy is tanking and they can't keep this war going for much longer.

Hopefully their nuke program is gutted, I don't think you get to threaten Europe/NATO with nukes and live to tell the story. Nukes always been there in the background, no words being spoken with MAD, it was just implied. Far as I know this is the first time they've actually threatened (with words). But in any case, I can't see how Russia doesn't get worked over after this is all done.

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Frankly the mention of the "war" is a bit of a sore spot for me. I was planning a trip to Kiev in May to visit someone special I have been talking to online for a couple of years. Now I'm just worried about her safety.
IMO, all this is was planned from the start by the ones who will have the most to gain from this.. China.

Anyways.. that enough about that.. back to the engine. I'm not sure that I would want a truck without a V8. The good news is that this leaves room for V8 swaps and stuff like our hotrods and muscle cars.
I'm not hater of EVs. I just don't think that it is the best solution for the future. I like doing road trips and the idea of standing in one place for 30 minutes to charge every 300 miles, isn't really enough.

Mwyz said:

So you get 15% better gas mileage but you have to burn premium sound like a wash in cost to me.

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Probably is close to a wash, without doing the math. But there is still an advantage - you don't have to fill up as often. I guess that only benefits those that drive a lot, and a lot of us cut our driving cut way down due to the pandemic and a bunch of us retired (boomers). Like me.

The downside is ethanol gas doesn't store as well (separation and gelling), so if we don't go thru a tankfull in a month, best to add some stabilizer.

I use about a tank of gas a week in my '15 QC 5.7L, but it is what it is. I love my V8 and for now will deal with it.

tidefan1967 said:

The funniest part of that article is where they say 50% of new vehicle sales are going to be EVs by 2030. So they’re going to go from 2% to 50% in eight years. No GD way is that going to happen unless the government forces people to buy them.

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There's a war on against fossil fuels.

By constantly increasing emissions standards, along with government policies to intentionally suppress petroleum production, eventually the market will be manipulated into an EV positive environment.

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33 gallon fuel tank, factory dual exhaust, 18” wheels. Build date: 03 June 2018. Now at: 067130 miles.

I guess some people believe that unicorns blowing bubble gum farts will power electric plants.

Mad Max wasn't looking for batteries.

NJMOPAR said:

Mad Max wasn't looking for batteries.

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But he might in the future probably awful remake.

Buick had the 3.8 turbo Ttype and those in stock form made very good power and lived 100k miles+ people crank them up. Mustang also had the turbo 4cyl in the early 80s.

I don't think the power of the 3.0 is not doable... a 300hp straight six is pretty easy these days... stuff 14.5 psi in it and the HP figure doubles as a rule of thumb. You could easily detune (timing, compression etc) the 3.0 to 250hp and keep the 14.5psi and have a more robust setup that just makes less hp.

Burning holes in pistons isn't a big issue anymore as long as your not greedy in the tune. I have a 5.3 LS truck motor stock long block (cam swap) with ungapped stock rings and pistons and I have been 15psi (doubling the stock power) on 93 pump gas with no issues. I pushed 14psi through a unopened NA 1990 suzuki 600 motor with no issues. My wifes CRV 1.4L "earth" engine I think does 19psi boost on 87 octane with no issues. Boost is the replacement for displacement.

The big issue with boost is that out of it the 3.0 will likely be pretty gutless so think penstar vs hemi till the boost comes in. They will need the boost to come on quick which will limit the RPM but need to stay out of boost in the cruising areas where they want the best MPG rating for the EPA. Boost requires more fuel, more fuel means more power and that means lower MPG... no way around it. Its all about BTU's... specific amount of fuel creates a specific amount of BTU, more HP means more BTU and more fuel. Its pretty linear as a 500hp V8 will use X amount of fuel to make 500hp, a 500hp boosted 6 will need X amount of fuel to make 500hp and I can bet you that fuel amount will be very close to each other. They can increase efficency in different ways but there best MPG will be out of boost in the lower RPM ranges.

Eco boosts have turbo issues and just like these as you've added a wear item into the mix. Turbos have seals and bearings that will eventually wear out requiring replacement before destruction which basically forces you to have to replace them.

"As long as you're not greedy" being the key, eh? We found the 'greedy' limits on purpose at work to ensure they were never reached in the field.

Marmay said:

Anything with a turbo or even worst,dual turbo,is a bummer, no but thanks,no.

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no way you have ever driven a decent turbo vehicle to feel that way. Boost is insane and makes everything better trust me.

HEMIMANN said:

"As long as you're not greedy" being the key, eh? We found the 'greedy' limits on purpose at work to ensure they were never reached in the field.

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yup! 99% of vehicles aren't looking for max power at redline. A purposely detuned setup will last longer and provide power where needed (how its designed for its operating range). Plus if you don't know you can easily get 100hp more with a tuner and upping the boost then you won't feel the need to have it and risk the motor. Know the limits, back off a bit and you'll be good for a long time till something wears out like a turbo, wastegate or the EBC that the new cars run.

Turbo gasoline engines do not in the long haul last as long as naturally aspirated V8's in a pickup truck. If you trade your truck in every couple of years go for it. If you put miles on and want to keep your truck for years, I would go with a diesel.

Wife's turbo on her I4 Mazda is well matched, engine is not overstressed @ 2.5L displacement for 3,600 lb vehicle. The trouble is when you boost a little engine too much for the load it has to carry.

A top fuel drag engine lasts for what, 36 seconds or something? Enough for 6 races and it's junk. If we want our engines to last more than 100,000 miles, overboosting a little engine isn't the answer.

DILLIGAF said:

They cant even build a HEMI that dosent fail. So this will be another POS engine like the pentastar.

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Pentastar is actually a really good motor

a nice little read. he is not a fan of the new engine either.

HEMIMANN said:

Wife's turbo on her I4 Mazda is well matched, engine is not overstressed @ 2.5L displacement for 3,600 lb vehicle. The trouble is when you boost a little engine too much for the load it has to carry.

A top fuel drag engine lasts for what, 36 seconds or something? Enough for 6 races and it's junk. If we want our engines to last more than 100,000 miles, overboosting a little engine isn't the answer.

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If you do the math a Top Fuel engine actually only makes roughly 800 revolutions per pass,and then is usually torn down and inspected,lol

Wild one said:

If you do the math a Top Fuel engine actually only makes roughly 800 revolutions per pass,and then is usually torn down and inspected,lol

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I had an article about them in my archives 15 or so years ago, but cleaned out my files.
They're just nutso extreme. I use them to drive home my Physics points.

HEMIMANN said:

I had an article about them in my archives 15 or so years ago, but cleaned out my files.
They're just nutso extreme. I use them to drive home my Physics points.

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That'd be similiar to rebuilding your trucks engine after it's idled for just over a minute.It's hardly came off high idle and it's rebuild time,lol

Funny, the wife's (about to be 6 years old) '16 Caddy CTS VSport gets 420/430 from a twin turbo 3.6L V6. And even with DI, that's now considered old technology. Aside from squirrels noshing on the cooling system, we've never had a problem with it. Been from TX to CO 3x's, TX to FL 4x's, and to NYS once. I'm 68 and ain't a skeert of turbos!

Russ

Another 3liter twin turbo, 325lb torque

Wild one said:

That's where your gas powered generator comes into play,lol

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HAHAHA STILL WILL TAKE A HALF HOUR AT LEAST TO CHARGE THE BATTERY)).