Mopars new turbo 6 cylinder Hurricane's appear to be very impressive

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a nice little read. he is not a fan of the new engine either.
I read the article. The author's criticism seems based on a V-8 bias, and inherent and extreme cynicism. It's irrational based on the fact the engine hasn't been tested in the market yet, much less even available at this moment in time. Maybe in the end he'll be right on a few points, but he's betting his credibility on pure emotion.

This article reminds me of the well-known automobile writer who trashed the new Chrysler 200 when it came out and was later found he had never even seen one, much less touch one!

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I read the article. The author's criticism seems based on a V-8 bias, and inherent and extreme cynicism. It's irrational based on the fact the engine hasn't been tested in the market yet, much less even available at this moment in time. Maybe in the end he'll be right on a few points, but he's betting his credibility on pure emotion.

This article reminds me of the well-known automobile writer who trashed the new Chrysler 200 when it came out and was later found he had never even seen one, much less touch one!

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maybe so. but if these little 3.0 engines can replace the v8s why did ford build a 7.3 instead of just using there ecoboost. i maybe wrong but i think big v8s are better. now i dont care about who fastest. but which one will pull my 10,000 load better and my thruck at 7,000 pounds. i do not think the 6 can do it better than my big 6.4. after all where not talking diesel power.
 

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Well.. Toyota.. the byword for reliability seems to be having issues with their new power plant in the new Tundra. That is not to say that these issues cannot be resolved. But knowing Toyota, they will find a way to blame the customer rather than admit a mistake.
What I'm getting at is if Toyota, reputed as the most reliable vehicles in the world, cannot manage to get a twin turbo 6 cylinder engine to work properly and reliably for its truck, a group of vehicles that has a much sketchy rep with reliability will not get much love over their newer, more complicated engine setup.
Ford lost some customers to the Toyota Tundra over their inital EcoBoost engine. This video comes to mind.

My hope is Ram will not give up selling the V8 like Toyota did.
 

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I'm not afraid of turbos, my 1984 Daytona turbo Z went over 300,000 miles when I sold it. One of the best cars I ever owned.
However, it wasn't in boost non-stop for hundreds of miles at a time like a truck would be towing my boat.
Now if they would build them like a diesel engine but setup for gas, then they would probably live. We know they won't.

I'm more afraid of certain european engineering and today's engineer it to the minimum durability standards :(

My 84 Daytona Z had an all forged bottom end as mopar wasn't sure what was needed for durability. I actually drove the 1984 Daytona prototype that was built in 1983 - it was very cutting edge for a production car at that time.
By 85 they decided that they had way over engineered the motor and changed the bottom end. They still never had any turbo engine issues the entire time that I saw, OTHER than people using a lower grade oil and not changing it nearly often enough.
 

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no way you have ever driven a decent turbo vehicle to feel that way. Boost is insane and makes everything better trust me.
Well,I have a bad experience with turbo engine, so I never gonna buy one again.
 

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maybe so. but if these little 3.0 engines can replace the v8s why did ford build a 7.3 instead of just using there ecoboost. i maybe wrong but i think big v8s are better. now i dont care about who fastest. but which one will pull my 10,000 load better and my thruck at 7,000 pounds. i do not think the 6 can do it better than my big 6.4. after all where not talking diesel power.
My comment was not intended to dispute the need for V8 power plants in the future, or for that matter replace any current V8 Ram is now offering. In the article posted earlier it appears a Stallantis representative stated that the Hemi "wasn't going to go away anytime soon," so it appears there's still room for a V8 for some applications.

There is no dispute that you can make lots of power with smaller displacements. But personally I'm not a fan of turbo charging. It adds another layer of complexity that can affect operating cost. And F-series Ford's huge appetite for turbo replacements don't give me a warm fuzzy.

Does the new I6 make sense for some cars and half-ton Rams. Only time will tell.

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I read the article. The author's criticism seems based on a V-8 bias, and inherent and extreme cynicism.

It's based on being emotionally evocative to get clicks and shares, which is money. The attention economy and love of doom p orn/outrage p orn "news" drives so much drivel online simply because it's more profitable and easy then real news.
 

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Well.. Toyota.. the byword for reliability seems to be having issues with their new power plant in the new Tundra. That is not to say that these issues cannot be resolved. But knowing Toyota, they will find a way to blame the customer rather than admit a mistake.
What I'm getting at is if Toyota, reputed as the most reliable vehicles in the world, cannot manage to get a twin turbo 6 cylinder engine to work properly and reliably for its truck, a group of vehicles that has a much sketchy rep with reliability will not get much love over their newer, more complicated engine setup.
Ford lost some customers to the Toyota Tundra over their inital EcoBoost engine. This video comes to mind.

My hope is Ram will not give up selling the V8 like Toyota did.

Toyotas reputation is based on running old/proven tech as long as possible, not because they do everything right all the time and are exceptional engineers.

GM's 2.7 turbo is doing quite well, no major issues that I'm aware, Toyota has more wrong with their new truck than gm did with their turbo.

So it really depends on the implementation.
 

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maybe so. but if these little 3.0 engines can replace the v8s why did ford build a 7.3 instead of just using there ecoboost. i maybe wrong but i think big v8s are better. now i dont care about who fastest. but which one will pull my 10,000 load better and my thruck at 7,000 pounds. i do not think the 6 can do it better than my big 6.4. after all where not talking diesel power.

I haven't read anywhere about these new engines being used in the 2500s. A major reason for these engines is reduced emissions and increased Mpg, neither of which are an issue in the 3/4 or 1 ton class.
 

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Commercial buyers, a good percentage of HD sales, will not buy something that requires premium fuel, and I'd be a bit surprised if these twin turbo engines could pass the higher duty-cycle testing required for HD trucks. I'll never say never, but...
 

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Toyotas reputation is based on running old/proven tech as long as possible,

I bought a 1994 SR5 pickup with the 2.4 , 4 banger that was supposed to be so good.

150K that truck went to crap.

Doors wouldn't unlock, tailgate wouldn't open, transmission was popping out of gear, a/c quit, then the famous engine started losing power, dropped a grand in it within a few weeks and nobody could figure it out.

Went back to Mopar.

**** on Toyota.
 

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I haven't read anywhere about these new engines being used in the 2500s. A major reason for these engines is reduced emissions and increased Mpg, neither of which are an issue in the 3/4 or 1 ton class.
No all they said was the hemi is being discontinued. now in one article they back peddle and say its staying. so who knows what there are really planing.
 
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Commercial buyers, a good percentage of HD sales, will not buy something that requires premium fuel, and I'd be a bit surprised if these twin turbo engines could pass the higher duty-cycle testing required for HD trucks. I'll never say never, but...
Supposedly the 6.4 truck is designed to do 12 minutes at full throttle on 87 octane,so i can't see this new engine going in a HD anytime soon,but i'm like you never say never,lol
 

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Toyotas reputation is based on running old/proven tech as long as possible, not because they do everything right all the time and are exceptional engineers.

GM's 2.7 turbo is doing quite well, no major issues that I'm aware, Toyota has more wrong with their new truck than gm did with their turbo.

So it really depends on the implementation.
That is certainly true. Frankly, the current day Toyota isn't as what it was. IMO Toyota is just banking the rep it earned in the past so they can sell us crap in the future. Current Toyotas are not as reliable as most believe and Toyota knows it. They just don't care. They know people will come and buy it because it is a Toyota; believing that they will never face issues like they would with another brand.
 

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No all they said was the hemi is being discontinued. now in one article they back peddle and say its staying. so who knows what there are really planing.

I'd have to think that the 5.7 Hemi is one of the best selling engines in history.

It's been in many platforms, for many years.

Someone has probably done the numbers, but it's GOTTA be WAY up there.
 

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I haven't read anywhere about these new engines being used in the 2500s. A major reason for these engines is reduced emissions and increased Mpg, neither of which are an issue in the 3/4 or 1 ton class.

Do you suppose they'll keep Hemi in production just for the heavy duty series? I think I read somewhere 70% of heavy duties had Cummins. I can see that with all the contractors and ranchers out there. Don't know how long I can milk my 2017, it seems to be holding up well. I really like the 6.4L Hemi.
 
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