Reg vs mid vs premium Does it Matter

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Does it really matter as long as my engine doesn’t knock?
Yes, because the electronics detect the spark knock and retard the timing. The engine that specifies 91+ should get that. It’s not a suggestion. The ones that imply a particular octane for “best performance” but in the next breath state that another lower octane level is permitted and acceptable should use the lower number for the baseline.
 

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It’s all I use in motorcycle and power equipment.
If it has a carburetor ethanol is the enemy. Sadly all I can get now is 94 octane in Ethanol free so to fill my 25L can costs me 70 bucks.
 

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Does it really matter as long as my engine doesn’t knock?
New vehicles do not make a noticeable knock. The computer changes the timing. So you will never notice it. I run 89 in mine. The manual says 89. But 87 is ok but for perfect engine performance 89 is the way to go
 

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Guess ill chime in on my experience...when I 1st got the truck (used)I ran the the mid grade for awhile then tried the lower..cant say I noticed a ping
 

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Guess ill chime in on my experience..
Got the truck(used)put the mid grade in it for a few tanks then tried the the low grade,can't say I remember any pinging/knock but do remember the truck was definitely sluggish in the power department...did that for a few tanks then tried the the high test stuff,power was back(responsiveness) but couldn't justify the the price differance over the mid grade so I used that for a few years now...bout a month ago I needed gas and was at the bj's so I went over the get that...high and low only so I did the high as it was cheaper than the mid grade everywhere else and still is....dunno if I got a good batch or not but the power was back and my milage went from mid 12s to mid 16s..im like what in the hell!...ever since then I've been runnin their gas with at least mid 15s mpg
 

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I find I use 1-1.5 litres per 100km less when I run premium vs regular. I never buy mid grade so I don't know on that. I did this last drive to work on 1 tank of premium and managed 12.2l per 100 km. Over 900 km and change. Usually I'm 13-14 on regular. Not enough savings to offset the cost in the past, but it was only 20cents a litre more this time and when gas is close to 2 bucks a litre a fill being 220 instead of 200 isn't as noticeable as opposed to say 130 vs 150 at last year's prices.
Liters per 100km, CAD vs USD, price per liter...it's too much work for me to try and convert all that to 'merican. :p
If you run under load and plan on keeping the truck for a while run the 89.
You got that half right. I would use 89 if I ever towed or hauled anything of any significance. It states right in the manual, for best performance use 89 octane. But can you provide any data which shows that using 87 is going to shorten the life of these trucks?
 

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Also in Can and I run 91 almost exclusively (wife sometimes puts in 87) and avg 12L/100kms (19.6mpg) (manually calculated) during the summer (winter ends up being 15L/100kms). The summer after I got the truck (had around 40k kms on it) I ran 3 tanks of 87 to ensure I didn't have any residual 91 in there and I avg 15L/100kms (16.8mpg). I drove the same route with the same weather over the span of my testing. I also noticed a change (for the worse) in how the engine idled, accelerated, and at cruise when on 87. I friend of mine has the Sport model, I have Outdoorsman, and he's seen similar results. We both run 91 exclusively and when we can get it at Costco for same price as 87, and I've talked to the truckers and where I live, 91 is straight gas, no ethanol in it.
 

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Liters per 100km, CAD vs USD, price per liter...it's too much work for me to try and convert all that to 'merican. :p

You got that half right. I would use 89 if I ever towed or hauled anything of any significance. It states right in the manual, for best performance use 89 octane. But can you provide any data which shows that using 87 is going to shorten the life of these trucks?
I will search for it, but I have seen the piston torch from running 87 while pushing the engine. So maybe it will not matter but the cost difference between 87 and 89 is minimal vs engine work.
 

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Liters per 100km, CAD vs USD, price per liter...it's too much work for me to try and convert all that to 'merican. :p
About $6.75 USD per US gallon at the current exchange. Touch over 22 mpg running 91. $6.05 USD per US gallon for regular About 20.25 MPG running 87. Now which is cheaper? I haven't done the math yet, but it's pretty close in price per mile. Okay I worked it out and it's within .5 cents per mile. Between .3 and .305 US cents per mile either way based on pump price my last fill up. I may try mid grade 89 next and see if that puts the timing back in it and matches the premium mileage. Then mid would be cheapest per mile.
 
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I will search for it, but I have seen the piston torch from running 87 while pushing the engine. So maybe it will not matter but the cost difference between 87 and 89 is minimal vs engine work.
As already mentioned, I would use 89 octane if I was pushing my engine. I wasn't disputing that part of what you posted. What I was disputing is your implied claim that using 87 octane may decrease the longevity of our trucks. Which may or may not be true if pushing your engine. But I certainly don't believe that's true for "normal" unloaded driving (commuting).

I used 89 octane in my last truck. The cost difference between 87 and 89 was only 10 cents, and since 89 is recommended, the cost difference was indeed minimal, so I was using 89 exclusively. Lately, I've been seeing a cost difference of 20 or 30 cents. For a single fill-up, it's also minimal. But over time, that cost difference will be quite significant. My only caveat for using 87 octane is that I only use top tier gasoline.
 

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I ran 87 easily 90% of the time on my last hemi. Still running strong when I sold it with a measly 175,000 miles on it/279000 kms if I recall correctly give or take a few thousand. Been a few years.
 

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As already mentioned, I would use 89 octane if I was pushing my engine. I wasn't disputing that part of what you posted. What I was disputing is your implied claim that using 87 octane may decrease the longevity of our trucks. Which may or may not be true if pushing your engine. But I certainly don't believe that's true for "normal" unloaded driving (commuting).

I used 89 octane in my last truck. The cost difference between 87 and 89 was only 10 cents, and since 89 is recommended, the cost difference was indeed minimal, so I was using 89 exclusively. Lately, I've been seeing a cost difference of 20 or 30 cents. For a single fill-up, it's also minimal. But over time, that cost difference will be quite significant. My only caveat for using 87 octane is that I only use top tier gasoline.
That is why i said underload and logevity.
 

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I guess I shoild have been more wordy,

My humble opinion and personal usage I run 89 becuse, while I do not tow and haul 100% it could be at "any given moment" and I feel better knowing the engine is at peak condition while pushing the truck. And unless they changed things 89 is made from 93 and 87 so you also get the benifits of more detergents.

Again, my opinion.
 

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I guess I shoild have been more wordy,

My humble opinion and personal usage I run 89 becuse, while I do not tow and haul 100% it could be at "any given moment" and I feel better knowing the engine is at peak condition while pushing the truck. And unless they changed things 89 is made from 93 and 87 so you also get the benifits of more detergents.

Again, my opinion.
I run 89, have in every Hemi I have had. Just "seems" to run better. BUT I always buy 89 Octane, also when I fill cans because all my Stihl stuff 89 is the grade to use, and I have to run 89 in my MC also, 87 just does not do it on a 1833 CC (6 cylinder flat motor) engine from 2006. Again, just my experiences. FWIW, I always run top Tier gasoline, I stay away from Mom and Pop etc.,. So this is my thoughts, IMHO ..... But I's a Boird Also.

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I run 89, have in every Hemi I have had. Just "seems" to run better. BUT I always buy 89 Octane, also when I fill cans because all my Stihl stuff 89 is the grade to use, and I have to run 89 in my MC also, 87 just does not do it on a 1833 CC (6 cylinder flat motor) engine from 2006. Again, just my experiences. FWIW, I always run top Tier gasoline, I stay away from Mom and Pop etc.,. So this is my thoughts, IMHO ..... But I's a Boird Also.

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Harley specs 91 octane, BOIRD. I suppose cause compression ratio is high and the motor I have is still air-cooled. Since I get 45 mpg, it isn't a significant cost at all. Plus, the only non-alcohol gas you can buy in Minnesota (short of av-gas at the airport) is 91 octane, so I use it for the chainsaws and boat, too.

The Hemi I put in whatever, except when towing I want the spec'd 89 octane for max available torque (allows advanced spark timing). And - ONLY Top Tier certified gas. Around here, most brands have gone cheapo gas for the dumb public. I go out of the way for Top Tier. I don't need stumbling, carboned injector nozzles and valves to try to scrub later.
 

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I have 103,489 miles on my 17 RAM 1500 5.7. I have used 89 octane only once and did notice any difference. I use strictly 87 "Top Tier" Shell mainly or CEMEX and aa few time Philips 66. My truck has done excellent. I do oil changes between 5,000 to 7,000 miles and have done all the things a normal RAM owner should to keep it up so not to have to trade it in. I have the MOPAR extended MAX care 84 month unlimited mileage warranty. With the huge increase in RAM 1500 prices I can not afford an new one. My window sticker was $49,890. I got it for $36,000. They no longer discount RAMs like back in 2017. A new one that is close to my 17 would be at least $58K.
Recently I was offered $29,800 cash for my RAM. I just can't justify a new one or the higher payments.
 

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Harley specs 91 octane, BOIRD. I suppose cause compression ratio is high and the motor I have is still air-cooled. Since I get 45 mpg, it isn't a significant cost at all. Plus, the only non-alcohol gas you can buy in Minnesota (short of av-gas at the airport) is 91 octane, so I use it for the chainsaws and boat, too.

The Hemi I put in whatever, except when towing I want the spec'd 89 octane for max available torque (allows advanced spark timing). And - ONLY Top Tier certified gas. Around here, most brands have gone cheapo gas for the dumb public. I go out of the way for Top Tier. I don't need stumbling, carboned injector nozzles and valves to try to scrub later.
YUP, my 2008 HD Ultra Classic was Premium also. The Honda actually states 87, but that be on a straight under 900 lb bike. U add a 1200 lb Trike Kit, plus me, U talking 2300-2400 lbs, needs the lil bit more Octane. It is a 2006, not have the advanced spark timing etc newer beasts have.
 
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