HD with Gasoline I6

BowerPower · Apr 1, 2022

I am surprised so see this not discussed but maybe no one took the survey.
Ram is sending out a survey asking people if they would buy a heavy duty Ram with the new turbo charged I6 gasoline engine with 500hp and 475tq. I want to know what everyone is thinking.

Personal I think it would be a good option if they can make it reliable for sustained time at high rpm. By no means should it replace the 6.4 hemi. I think the option for a simple naturally aspirated engine is important to heavy duty truck buyers and fleet trucks.

Billet Bee · Apr 1, 2022

Maybe Im just naive but what are heavy duty truck buyers and fleet truck buyers going to do with 475 ft lbs tq. Maybe a 1500 ho hd , lol. 500 horses sound nice but you should be able to perform on both ends to be a hd truck

BowerPower · Apr 1, 2022

Billet Bee said:
Maybe Im just naive but what are heavy duty truck buyers and fleet truck buyers going to do with 475 ft lbs tq. Maybe a 1500 ho hd , lol. 500 horses sound nice but you should be able to perform on both ends to be a hd truck

Um... the 6.4 hemi has 410hp and 429tq. In a world we're 1000tq diesels exist, 429tq seems insignificant but it's significantly more than trucks used to have and more than diesels 15 years ago

I would like to add, I don't mean any ill will towards you. I have seen many different comments before like "why would you ever get a gas engine in a hd truck? It's stupid and pointless!".

Also, peak number don't tell all the story. The 6.4 does have much higher peak number than the 5.7 but has more area under the hp/tq curve.

Billet Bee · Apr 1, 2022

BowerPower said:
Um... the 6.4 hemi has 410hp and 429tq. In a world we're 1000tq diesels exist, 429tq seems insignificant but it's significantly more than trucks used to have and more than diesels 15 years ago

I would like to add, I don't mean any ill will towards you. I have seen many different comments before like "why would you ever get a gas engine in a hd truck? It's stupid and pointless!".

Also, peak number don't tell all the story. The 6.4 does have much higher peak number than the 5.7 but has more area under the hp/tq curve.

I think gas engines in hd trucks do serve a purpose. They are great for those that haul those lance bed campers or anyone who will normally be hauling allot of bed weight only.
Now saying that 429 tq is more then the trucks of 15 years Ago, your right there but why would anyone buy a new vehicle and compare numbers to there 15 year old vehicle, when
there won't be much at all in common between the two. Just look at the tow specs from 15 years ago and compare to today, no comparison and today's trucks can do 2-3x more then those older trucks. Maybe not as reliable today Becaus of all the electronic junk. I'm not totally throwing your idea in the bushes but in my opinion 500hp is great but that low tq value and HD just don't seem to go together. That's why I say might be a good take off for a beefed up 1500.
Jmho

BowerPower · Apr 1, 2022

Billet Bee said:
I think gas engines in hd trucks do serve a purpose. They are great for those that haul those lance bed campers or anyone who will normally be hauling allot of bed weight only.
Now saying that 429 tq is more then the trucks of 15 years Ago, your right there but why would anyone buy a new vehicle and compare numbers to there 15 year old vehicle, when
there won't be much at all in common between the two. Just look at the tow specs from 15 years ago and compare to today, no comparison and today's trucks can do 2-3x more then those older trucks. Maybe not as reliable today Becaus of all the electronic junk. I'm not totally throwing your idea in the bushes but in my opinion 500hp is great but that low tq value and HD just don't seem to go together. That's why I say might be a good take off for a beefed up 1500.
Jmho

I think I see what your saying. The reason I bring up 15 year old truck rating is because people were towing 20,000 pounds with a diesel that only has 450tq without any issue. I don't see over 400tq as low. I see 1000tq in a 1-ton pickup as a bit excessive but I have no problem with it. Can it not be a "lighter" duty 3/4 ton. Half tons towing 12,000 pounds is already pushing the limit of what that chassis should do.

Maybe i am crazy but 500qt is a perfect number for a truck rated at less than 20,000 towing. 800-1000 is great for 35,000 towing 1-tons.

pacofortacos · Apr 1, 2022

More torque than the 6.4 and if I am not mistaken more torque at a lower rpm and wider range of power.
Durability if consistently loaded? Time will tell.
Most likely a higher payload than the 6.4 also as it is a lighter motor.
Seems like it could fit the 2500 for the right users, just like the 6.4 fits for the right users, and the cummins fits for the right users.

fireflymedic · Apr 1, 2022

I don't want to have to run high test (octane) gas. I would give up hp for reg. Gas.

pacofortacos · Apr 2, 2022

fireflymedic said:
I don't want to have to run high test (octane) gas. I would give up hp for reg. Gas.

I would think (but you never know) that they would program it to do just that if lower octane fuel was put into the tank.
With all of the electronic controls on that motor, there is no reason to not program it to still run safely with lower octane - though significantly less power and mpg.

BossHogg · Apr 2, 2022

BowerPower said:
I am surprised so see this not discussed but maybe no one took the survey.
Ram is sending out a survey asking people if they would buy a heavy duty Ram with the new turbo charged I6 gasoline engine with 500hp and 475tq. I want to know what everyone is thinking.

Personal I think it would be a good option if they can make it reliable for sustained time at high rpm. By no means should it replace the 6.4 hemi. I think the option for a simple naturally aspirated engine is important to heavy duty truck buyers and fleet trucks.

I have not seen the survey you mentioned. I'm a bit confused because you referenced the new I6 turbocharged engine, then in the second paragraph, you referenced a naturally aspirated engine. Were you referring to the 6.4L HEMI or is RAM thinking of a new non-turbo I6?

The survey, and again I've not seen it, seems strange because asking about "would you buy" would have to go along with a qualifier question like, what do you use your HD for. There are usage cases to support the new I6, the 6.4L Hemi, and the Cummins. What do you tow, how often, tow weight, towing area (mountains/flat lands), in-town service truck, etc.

KKBB · Apr 2, 2022

To me it is like I look at everything...if it is a good engine that does what I need it to do and gets better mileage than what I have now and will be as reliable or more reliable then I would definitely look at it when I am ready to trade. If it doesn't meet those requirements, then I wouldn't consider it.

sandawilliams · Apr 2, 2022

BowerPower said:
I think I see what your saying. The reason I bring up 15 year old truck rating is because people were towing 20,000 pounds with a diesel that only has 450tq without any issue. I don't see over 400tq as low. I see 1000tq in a 1-ton pickup as a bit excessive but I have no problem with it. Can it not be a "lighter" duty 3/4 ton. Half tons towing 12,000 pounds is already pushing the limit of what that chassis should do.

Maybe i am crazy but 500qt is a perfect number for a truck rated at less than 20,000 towing. 800-1000 is great for 35,000 towing 1-tons.

What good is 1000 lbs. of torque when torque management wont let you use it?

Dinky · Apr 2, 2022

I think they are at least do it correctly doing a inline six vs v6. I am a v8 fan myself but with emissions the are pushing its making v8s look bad. People already choose the v8 over diesel because they don't tow near enough to out weigh the increase in price. So will the new v6 tow just as good as the hemi? Well the numbers are there and it is a inline 6 so the torque will be there, but only time will tell.

ramffml · Apr 2, 2022

It's not as simple as looking at the numbers. The Ford 3.5 turbo has equal-ish numbers to the Ford 7.3, yet Ford still spent all that money developing the 7.3 when the 3.5 turbo was available for years. There is a reason even Ford doesn't put turbos in their work trucks.

BowerPower · Apr 2, 2022

BossHogg said:
I have not seen the survey you mentioned. I'm a bit confused because you referenced the new I6 turbocharged engine, then in the second paragraph, you referenced a naturally aspirated engine. Were you referring to the 6.4L HEMI or is RAM thinking of a new non-turbo I6?

The survey, and again I've not seen it, seems strange because asking about "would you buy" would have to go along with a qualifier question like, what do you use your HD for. There are usage cases to support the new I6, the 6.4L Hemi, and the Cummins. What do you tow, how often, tow weight, towing area (mountains/flat lands), in-town service truck, etc.

I was referring to the 6.4 Hemi. A question like that would be a good idea but was not there. The survey asked:
1. what I as a buyer look for when choosing an engine for my truck.
2. Whether or not I would choose the I6 turbo over the 6.4 hemi knowing the I6 makes more power.
3. If a V8 option is no longer available would I get the I6 gas engine or a competitor's truck with a V8.

I am dumbing down the questions but that is the gist of it.

BowerPower · Apr 2, 2022

ramffml said:
It's not as simple as looking at the numbers. The Ford 3.5 turbo has equal-ish numbers to the Ford 7.3, yet Ford still spent all that money developing the 7.3 when the 3.5 turbo was available for years. There is a reason even Ford doesn't put turbos in their work trucks.

I never thought about that. I do remember them saying the 7.3 was designed for high load applications. That goes it what I was saying, there needs always be a simple, less problematic N/A engine option... 6.4 hemi.
Look at the 6.4 in the ram vs 6.4 in the dodge cars. Those two engines share displacement and head design, the rest is significantly beefed up for the ram engine: main bearing, oiling, forged parts.

tjfdesmo · Apr 2, 2022

sandawilliams said:
What good is 1000 lbs. of torque when torque management wont let you use it?

It lets you use it when under way. While I don't enjoy the way they lay down out of the hole with torque management, pulling my old toy hauler up pretty steep grades, at elevation, with the cruise on it may drop one gear. That's where to torque really counts.

Trailmaker · Apr 2, 2022

On a Power Wagon, the lighter engine would be nice for off roading and would help on the limited payload we have. Having owned 2 Raptors, I believe in a turbo charged 6 for longevity. They can tow well too. Exhaust note will suck…but I would love to try one in my PW.
Raptor calls for premium fuel but the computer adjust for regular if you’re too cheap, it’s not available, or you just don’t need the performance.

huntergreen · Apr 2, 2022

If the engine proves itself, I wouldn’t hesitate.

Billet Bee · Apr 2, 2022

tjfdesmo said:
It lets you use it when under way. While I don't enjoy the way they lay down out of the hole with torque management, pulling my old toy hauler up pretty steep grades, at elevation, with the cruise on it may drop one gear. That's where to torque really counts.

100% agree, there may be a slight dead pedal out of the hole but most don't buy a hd truck for its hole shot. Whatever you throw at that 1000 ftlbs tq, it's there when its needed. Now that's a hd truck doing it's job

69GWC · Apr 2, 2022

I told them no thanks, Iam a V8 fan myself.
I just bought a new PW and with all the talk about this I6 is one reason why I did not wait any longer.

HD with Gasoline I6

Would you consider an turbo I6 gasoline engine?

Good option but don't replace hemi

Replace the hemi

Not a good idea, period

Who cares, I'm getting the Cummins.

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Locked and Loaded

Senior Member

Senior Member

Power Wagon

Similar threads

Forum statistics

Share this page