When Not to Use Redline Thread

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I wish I saw this thread this morning..... I just got a used 2011 Dodge 1500 at a really good price because it has 188,000 miles. I read how good redline oil was for this engine so I found me a place that has it, did the oil change and was excited...... till I came across this thread, now I feel like I need to go have the oil changed again to something different. I know the former owner was using Amsoil synthetic so maybe I wont have the issues discussed earlier in this thread ( fingers crossed )
 

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I wish I saw this thread this morning..... I just got a used 2011 Dodge 1500 at a really good price because it has 188,000 miles. I read how good redline oil was for this engine so I found me a place that has it, did the oil change and was excited...... till I came across this thread, now I feel like I need to go have the oil changed again to something different. I know the former owner was using Amsoil synthetic so maybe I wont have the issues discussed earlier in this thread ( fingers crossed )
I think youl be just fine!! Enjoy!
 

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Welp, here goes. My truck had about 15 to 20 thousand miles on it and ... yup, dumped RL 5w-20 and now 5w-30 in it. I did not have hemi tick and I intend to keep it that way.

It's still too noisy on a cold start as far as I'm concerned (but every hemi has that same noise and it's not lifter tick in this case, maybe injector noise?) but once it reaches operating temp it becomes smooth and quiet as butter.

My theory is, why fiddle faddle around with inferior oils if RL truly is that great of an oil? For an extra 50 bucks twice a year I can run what should be one of the best oils you can get, so I'm not going to play the mad scientist and experiment with other stuff.

So even though my engine is not yet as quiet as I would like it on a cold start, the warm/operating temps have proven to me that it's better than the junk I was running from the dealer. I did two UOAs so far, both look great except for copper (bearings?) and will keep an eye on that for next time.
I'm with you and using the exact same strategy on my 1 year old 1500 w/way less miles. I'd rather know that I put the best oil possible in it, and not wonder - should I have tried this or that, or this with that, or anything else. I'd be very upset if I tried to save $100 / yr and then had a problem ... and had to wonder .... yikes, no more sleep for me!!
Also, none of this "how long can I go between oil changes?". How about just sticking with 3,000 miles or 5,000 miles absolute worst case.
By the way, what filter have you been using? I've used the Fram Ultra, but might switch to RP - again, I'd like to use whatever is the BEST vs the cheapest. The jury seems to be out at the moment on which filter is best! Thanks.
- John
 

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I'm with you and using the exact same strategy on my 1 year old 1500 w/way less miles. I'd rather know that I put the best oil possible in it, and not wonder - should I have tried this or that, or this with that, or anything else. I'd be very upset if I tried to save $100 / yr and then had a problem ... and had to wonder .... yikes, no more sleep for me!!
Also, none of this "how long can I go between oil changes?". How about just sticking with 3,000 miles or 5,000 miles absolute worst case.
By the way, what filter have you been using? I've used the Fram Ultra, but might switch to RP - again, I'd like to use whatever is the BEST vs the cheapest. The jury seems to be out at the moment on which filter is best! Thanks.
- John

Actually I'm getting ready to try a different oil (mobil 1 0w-40) as I've noticed my engine getting a startup rattle on a second cold start (lifter bleed down). RL definitely made my engine smoother and quieter all around, but I'd like to eliminate that startup rattle as well if I can, no guarantees though that changing oil will fix this. If no other oil fixes the startup rattle then I will be returning to RL 5w-30, no question about that.

I've been using RP 10-48 and 20-820, and just swapped out to Fram Ultra as well hoping to fix the rattle (it didn't). Both RP and Fram Ultra are highly recommended on this forum by members here, I think you should be great with either option though the 20-820 might have the edge due to sheer filter size/volume. The Fram is the smallest, then the 10-48, then finally the 20-820.
 

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Science is not my thing. I was good at what I did (retired) but oil science and mechanics on modern vehicles I am not. Back in the 70’s I worked for 2 different Oldsmobile dealerships but back then you could look into the engine bay and see the ground. Now you’re lucky to see the motor.
In any case I have used PZ Ultra Platinum since around 20k. Now has 72k. I used to use 5-20 but now use 5-30. I also used to add a moly additive but recently stopped. Always use a RP filter.
I can only hope that it’s the right thing because I certainly have no intentions to buy a new truck.
 

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So, little bit of an update.

On the recommendation of Burla I made some changes to the oil situation in my truck (2014 1500, 5.7 Hemi with about 150k). I changed to Penzoil Platinum High Milage 5w-30, Royal Purple 20-820 and a bottle of Lubeguard Biotech.

So far it seems to have quieted down the lifters and seems a fair bit smoother! Time will tell!
 

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OK... Update V2. So, Im not too far into my OCI, and things have started to warm up a bit more in Phoenix. Was loading some things into the truck today, and noticed as I walked by the front of the truck that I thought I heard a noise... sure enough, I opened the hood, and the tick is back... sounds like with a vengeance. So the question now is what are next steps. I have seen conflicting thoughts on this in a lot of places. Everything from guys saying to let it go until failure, to drop everytihng and take it to the shop right away for a full lifter/cam replacement. At this point, I have not had any misfire codes, and other than the tick, no noticeable performance degradation. Thoughts?

Switch to Redline?
Leave it on Pennzoil Platinum HM with Lubeguard for a while and see what happens?
Is replacing only the lifters an option? Or does the cam need to be replaced as well if lifters are changed?

No idea from this point? Any help would be greatly appreciated! @Burla
 

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OK... Update V2. So, Im not too far into my OCI, and things have started to warm up a bit more in Phoenix. Was loading some things into the truck today, and noticed as I walked by the front of the truck that I thought I heard a noise... sure enough, I opened the hood, and the tick is back... sounds like with a vengeance. So the question now is what are next steps. I have seen conflicting thoughts on this in a lot of places. Everything from guys saying to let it go until failure, to drop everytihng and take it to the shop right away for a full lifter/cam replacement. At this point, I have not had any misfire codes, and other than the tick, no noticeable performance degradation. Thoughts?

Switch to Redline?
Leave it on Pennzoil Platinum HM with Lubeguard for a while and see what happens?
Is replacing only the lifters an option? Or does the cam need to be replaced as well if lifters are changed?

No idea from this point? Any help would be greatly appreciated! @Burla
Pick yourself up one of these,and run it across the valve covers listening for noises.You can get these at pretty well any auto parts store,and for the cost of one,they are worth having . If it turns out to be a lifter issue,it's usually wise to replace the cam at the same time.

 
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Oils are their strongest when fresh, often just the vii's can keep tick away, once they break you can get tick. Moly plate takes time, how many miles since the oil was fresh? We do know the best combo is redline 5w30 and a rp filter for hemi tick. No, unless you get a p0300 code don't do anything, many times guys spend thousands to still have tick, not kidding. If you have over 1k miles and it still ticks, I'd try redline. One question, for sure the tick was gone for a while? can you upload a video youtube?? if so record it under the engine for at least 2 minutes, warm idle tick...
 

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Pick yourself up one of these,and run it across the valve covers listening for noises.You can get these at pretty well any auto parts store,and for the cost of one,they are worth having . If it turns out to be a lifter issue,it's usually wise to replace the cam at the same time.


Wow - they still make these! And here I thought only a software app works these days. I'm so cheap I still just use a steel rod. Diagnosed a water pump bearing this way (as opposed to the 6 other bearings on the belt drive).
 

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Wow - they still make these! And here I thought only a software app works these days. I'm so cheap I still just use a steel rod. Diagnosed a water pump bearing this way (as opposed to the 6 other bearings on the belt drive).
Chunk of fuel line hose is another old fall back,lol
 
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I'm so confused...Use an oil strategy or fix it mechanically. I've had a tick for about 4k miles now. My truck has about 106k on it.
any helpful opinions out there?
I've read all of the oil threads and am in no better shape now than I was before.
 

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I'm so confused...Use an oil strategy or fix it mechanically. I've had a tick for about 4k miles now. My truck has about 106k on it.
any helpful opinions out there?
I've read all of the oil threads and am in no better shape now than I was before.

There is no point in fixing it prematurely just because it started ticking, try running Redline 5w-30 with a RP 20-820 oil filter. See how that goes, if that changes your tick sound. You might be able to push it like that indefinitely, of for many 1000's of miles anyway.

However, you don't want to wait until the point where you have shavings and chunks in your oil because at that point FCA (and FCA mechanics) recommend a replacement engine; if there is too much shavings in your engine then that can't ever be cleaned out with 100% certainty, though if you're a gambling man you can try and get it out and put new cam + lifters in and hope for the best. FCA will never warranty it though, too far gone.

So where is the point where you better fix it? I don't know. UOA reports might help detect material in the oil. If you're getting codes and misfires then I definitely would have it fixed at that point.
 
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I'm so confused...Use an oil strategy or fix it mechanically. I've had a tick for about 4k miles now. My truck has about 106k on it.
any helpful opinions out there?
I've read all of the oil threads and am in no better shape now than I was before.
You are in no better shape then before? If you read the did redline or lubegard kill my hemi tick thread you have something no other forum has, proof one strategy is around 50% effective and one is 80% effective. That's all we got man, it doesnt get better then that, that is all we have to offer. The science of the moly plate has proven it can take up to 1700 miles to go quiet as well, so give EP additives a chance to work. If the tick is bad, as in banging, it tens to be on the shorter side as in 500 miles. And that fact is a gold mine, because if you are one of the 8 in 10 guys who killed their tick this way, you know it is actually fixed and not masked. If it was a mask, it would go quiet right away, but because the science of the moly plate is that the moly has to survive temp and use pressure to plate, then whatever was causing that tick was dealt with with the science of moly and not some other unknown factor. At least you have a good shot you can fix this w/o tearing your engine apart, why not try that before getting all down on it.

Ramfini's post of right on.


We all are in the same boat with this hemi tick garbage fca put on us.
 

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Similar science, but there is a difference between modtc and mos2. That difference comes in how moly in suspension attracts to each other and gels up. If you are interested, do this test with mos2, and that is what is in the sump of your engine. This guy used to have that up, my bet someone threatened him with legal action so he took it down, but many of us have already seen it.

 

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Similar science, but there is a difference between modtc and mos2.

What I posted isn't MOs2. It has nothing suspended in it, at least to the naked eye. It is a light golden color and is about a 15W40 weight. I posted Liqui Moly Hydraulic Lifter Additive. It is much different than the MOs2. I tried this because I use it in my Hyundai (talk about noisy...) and it really quiets it down. I also just changed the oil before I drove it out from my Dad's house and didn't want to waste a fresh oil change so i just added this and the 2 second tick was completely gone. I even let the truck sit for a week and started it and no tick. I then let it sit for another week and still no tick. Seems to work well.

Best regards,

-Mike
 

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What I posted isn't MOs2. It has nothing suspended in it, at least to the naked eye. It is a light golden color and is about a 15W40 weight. I posted Liqui Moly Hydraulic Lifter Additive. It is much different than the MOs2. I tried this because I use it in my Hyundai (talk about noisy...) and it really quiets it down. I also just changed the oil before I drove it out from my Dad's house and didn't want to waste a fresh oil change so i just added this and the 2 second tick was completely gone. I even let the truck sit for a week and started it and no tick. I then let it sit for another week and still no tick. Seems to work well.

Best regards,

-Mike
The acid test is start it for a minute,then shut it off,let sit for an hour and restart it,if it's quiet then,you might be onto to something
 

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The acid test is start it for a minute,then shut it off,let sit for an hour and restart it,if it's quiet then,you might be onto to something

Well, I am putting on a new mid and muffler tomorrow along with some other goodies. I will perform this tomorrow at some point. Probably after I put the new exhaust on. I will keep you all posted.

Best regards,

-Mike
 
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What I posted isn't MOs2. It has nothing suspended in it, at least to the naked eye. It is a light golden color and is about a 15W40 weight. I posted Liqui Moly Hydraulic Lifter Additive. It is much different than the MOs2. I tried this because I use it in my Hyundai (talk about noisy...) and it really quiets it down. I also just changed the oil before I drove it out from my Dad's house and didn't want to waste a fresh oil change so i just added this and the 2 second tick was completely gone. I even let the truck sit for a week and started it and no tick. I then let it sit for another week and still no tick. Seems to work well.

Best regards,

-Mike
sounds promising, maybe another choice to go with lubegard.
 

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