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RamDutyl · Apr 13, 2022

CarComplaints.com lists our Ram trucks as halfway reliable. Our trucks got TotYear awards. How many other owners find your recent purchase full of problems?

Most U.S. states have lemon laws. How many of you have had your investment in the shop for the same issue multiple times with no results?

How can the truck of the year have five recalls and 168 complaints IN ONE YEAR at https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2021/RAM/1500%2520CLASSIC/PU%252FCC/4WD ?

Did the sell of FCA to Stellantis ruin the truck? I guess PU stands for more than pick up.

JoeCo · Apr 13, 2022

RamDutyl said:
CarComplaints.com lists our Ram trucks as halfway reliable. Our trucks got TotYear awards. How many other owners find your recent purchase full of problems?

Most U.S. states have lemon laws. How many of you have had your investment in the shop for the same issue multiple times with no results?

How can the truck of the year have five recalls and 168 complaints IN ONE YEAR at https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2021/RAM/1500%2520CLASSIC/PU%252FCC/4WD ?

Did the sell of FCA to Stellantis ruin the truck? I guess PU stands for more than pick up.

Go on any vehicle forum for any make/model and you will find a fair amount of people who have had lemons. A good chunk of most forums are people that come here to ask about a problem or complain about them and in appearance it can seem like that vehicle is terrible, but not many people come here to say how problem free there vehicle is, why would they? So how many are bad vs good? Best of luck figuring that one.

Also not sure how much awards like truck of the year or others take things like this into account. There's a ton of variables here but I've never paid much attention to any of these things. I've had 4 rams and they've been decently reliable, but I don't buy them with stars in my eyes thinking they are going to last that long without having some kind of issue.

mikeru · Apr 13, 2022

I'll have owned my '21 Limited for a year on May 1st, and other than having a chipped wheel replaced right after purchase (chip was there when I bought it), I haven't had my truck in for anything. I do my own maintenance, so it hasn't even been in for an oil and filter change. And other than a floor mat recall it was the same way with my previous '20 Laramie. The wife's '20 Limited also hasn't been in the shop for any reasons, and we've had that truck for just over two years.

The criteria for Motor Trend's truck of the year does not include reliability. I don't see how that could even come into play since statistics on reliability take time to accumulate. I assume you're having issues with your truck. I'm sorry to hear that, and I can sympathize with you. I wouldn't be happy either. But like @JoeCo said, forums are full of people complaining. You won't find any forum that's full of threads with people praising their vehicle.

JerryETX · Apr 13, 2022

It's not just Ram. I bought my Ram about 7 months ago before that I had a F150. Had it 3 years and put 75K miles on it and it was in the shop 12 times during that span and needed $3K cam phaser replacment job when I traded it in. I had issues with everything from sensors to 4x4 to sunroof not working, door seals leaking, oil pan leaking, on and on and on. I haven't heard the same from GM but I'd be shocked if they're not having the same issues.

pacofortacos · Apr 13, 2022

I wouldn't call a vehicle purchase an investment! lol
Unless you need to write off depreciation to not owe the man so much at tax time.

I have made bad investments, but not stupid enough to do the same bad "investment" several times in my lifetime.

HEMIMANN · Apr 13, 2022

This award is for new trucks, design and driveability - not long term reliability and durability.

Dinky · Apr 13, 2022

Ford just had a recall on 737k vehicles that was released last month.... i dont think it is just Ram with issues you might want to do your home work before calling out a manufacture.
Also i bet there will be more Rams on the road in 2022 vs Chevy or ford as both of those manufactures have been struggling to get vehicles to customers. Ford Bronco is at 165k back orders now.....

bluebeast1562 · Apr 13, 2022

Have owned mine since Black Friday 2019, only been in the shop one time for a wiper recall and that was done while I had the dealer do an oil change. 23000 miles later, still happy as can be. My prior 2013 Ram was in the shop only two times for warranty work, I guess it is the luck of the draw.

Kickboxer · Apr 13, 2022

JerryETX said:
I haven't heard the same from GM but I'd be shocked if they're not having the same issues.

GM is still having issues with the cylinder deactivation, my brothers Silverado
puked at just over 100K. My neighbor just had his fun at 12K miles on his new Tahoe.
Same thing.
I am a GM guy, we have a 2018 Yukon with the 5.3...........

BossHogg · Apr 14, 2022

My 2013 RAM 1500 Laramie was trouble-free for the 9 years I owned it, I traded it for a 2022 ECODiesel Longhorn. So far it has been issueless. The same with my 2015 RAM 3500 Cummins, outside of them recalling the emissions system for replacement and a failure of the air suspension compressor, It has been without issues. My wife's Equinox, a 2013, has only had one issue with a cam solenoid replaced under warranty.

I think vehicles with many problems are far and few between, it just seems like more because the Internet has become a sounding board. I've also noticed the complainers have also modded their vehicles causing many of their issues but they seem to feel it is RAM's fault.

When you look at these types of complaint sites, you need to strip away infotainment issues, one reason is very few read the manuals so when it doesn't work the way they think it should, it is the system's fault.

Go watch a few episodes of "Airline" on A&E, you will soon discover that when people are late to the gate it is the airline's fault. People need to quit pointing fingers and start taking on responsibility.

JerryETX · Apr 14, 2022

BossHogg said:
My 2013 RAM 1500 Laramie was trouble-free for the 9 years I owned it, I traded it for a 2022 ECODiesel Longhorn. So far it has been issueless. The same with my 2015 RAM 3500 Cummins, outside of them recalling the emissions system for replacement and a failure of the air suspension compressor, It has been without issues. My wife's Equinox, a 2013, has only had one issue with a cam solenoid replaced under warranty.

I think vehicles with many problems are far and few between, it just seems like more because the Internet has become a sounding board. I've also noticed the complainers have also modded their vehicles causing many of their issues but they seem to feel it is RAM's fault.

When you look at these types of complaint sites, you need to strip away infotainment issues, one reason is very few read the manuals so when it doesn't work the way they think it should, it is the system's fault.

Go watch a few episodes of "Airline" on A&E, you will soon discover that when people are late to the gate it is the airline's fault. People need to quit pointing fingers and start taking on responsibility.

Fair points I know more people that don't have issues with vehicles than those who do/are.

I think part of the reason for seemingly more issues with vehicles nowadays is manufactures are pushing for strained deadlines with design stage, prototypes, testing and down to manufacturing/assembly due to the consumer demand.

BossHogg · Apr 15, 2022

JerryETX said:
Fair points I know more people that don't have issues with vehicles than those who do/are.

I think part of the reason for seemingly more issues with vehicles nowadays is manufactures are pushing for strained deadlines with design stage, prototypes, testing and down to manufacturing/assembly due to the consumer demand.

Twenty years ago the design life ran typically about three years from prototype to production. When I retired in 2017, the design cycle was down to about 18 months. Some of the reduction was due to technical advancements in the tools used to model systems but regression testing became almost unheard of. I don't think anyone at Chrysler could define regression testing, I sure don't see it in practice.

RamDutyl · Apr 15, 2022

Paco, where did you get your definition for investment? Any major capital outlay will be an investment.

RamDutyl · Apr 15, 2022

HEMIMANN said:
This award is for new trucks, design and driveability - not long term reliability and durability.

Interesting! Is there an award for reliability and durability, outside of Consumer Reports?

RamDutyl · Apr 15, 2022

Dinky said:
Ford just had a recall on 737k vehicles that was released last month.... i dont think it is just Ram with issues you might want to do your home work before calling out a manufacture.
Also i bet there will be more Rams on the road in 2022 vs Chevy or ford as both of those manufactures have been struggling to get vehicles to customers. Ford Bronco is at 165k back orders now.....

Why would I call out Ford issues on a Ram forum? Glad you're a Ram fan. I'm hoping Stellantis will keep the emphasis on quality and customer satisfaction FCA seemed to have. Ford and Chevy both no longer manufacture the small cars they once made. They lost the market to other manufacturERS who provided more reliability, better assembly with less rework, and higher resale value. Here's hoping Stellantis never stops manufacturing trucks because of big problems.

RamDutyl · Apr 15, 2022

JerryETX said:
Fair points I know more people that don't have issues with vehicles than those who do/are.

I think part of the reason for seemingly more issues with vehicles nowadays is manufactures are pushing for strained deadlines with design stage, prototypes, testing and down to manufacturing/assembly due to the consumer demand.

Great points. Covid work and parts shortages may have allowed some bugs in the soup too.

RamDutyl · Apr 15, 2022

BossHogg said:
My 2013 RAM 1500 Laramie was trouble-free for the 9 years I owned it, I traded it for a 2022 ECODiesel Longhorn. So far it has been issueless. The same with my 2015 RAM 3500 Cummins, outside of them recalling the emissions system for replacement and a failure of the air suspension compressor, It has been without issues. My wife's Equinox, a 2013, has only had one issue with a cam solenoid replaced under warranty.

I think vehicles with many problems are far and few between, it just seems like more because the Internet has become a sounding board. I've also noticed the complainers have also modded their vehicles causing many of their issues but they seem to feel it is RAM's fault.

When you look at these types of complaint sites, you need to strip away infotainment issues, one reason is very few read the manuals so when it doesn't work the way they think it should, it is the system's fault.

Go watch a few episodes of "Airline" on A&E, you will soon discover that when people are late to the gate it is the airline's fault. People need to quit pointing fingers and start taking on responsibility.

Recalls are recalls. And those are for bread and butter safety issues that no one can make up. And how does a replacement of the air suspension compressor equal "issueless"? And a full replacement of the emissions systems is no big deal? Glad you have good luck with your Dodge and later Ram truck.

Dinky · Apr 15, 2022

RamDutyl said:
Why would I call out Ford issues on a Ram forum? Glad you're a Ram fan. I'm hoping Stellantis will keep the emphasis on quality and customer satisfaction FCA seemed to have. Ford and Chevy both no longer manufacture the small cars they once made. They lost the market to other manufacturERS who provided more reliability, better assembly with less rework, and higher resale value. Here's hoping Stellantis never stops manufacturing trucks because of big problems.

your trying to call out bad points on ram when ALL vehicles at this point have issues. Bad material quality, material shortages, no labor force, and high fuel cost. you cant even get a decent hamburger anymore, it sucks
and we pay a lot of money for stuff but it will stay this way till the whole system is broke and than rebuilt before it gets better.

HEMIMANN · Apr 15, 2022

RamDutyl said:
Interesting! Is there an award for reliability and durability, outside of Consumer Reports?

Not aware of any. Some trade media do reliability testing other than Consumer Reports - Edmunds, Motortrend, etc. J.D. Power might have a most reliable category.

I always read Edmunds reliability reviews prior to buying any new vehicle I'm unfamiliar with. Example - wife wanted to downsize crossover SUV. Mazda CX-5 ranked #1 in reliability - higher than Honda and Toyota. We bought it partially based on this.

mikeru · Apr 15, 2022

RamDutyl said:
Paco, where did you get your definition for investment? Any major capital outlay will be an investment.

Paco is right, with very few exceptions (collector cars and such), a vehicle is not an investment. It is a purchase. Many people misuse the term investment when spending what is to them a large sum of money.

An investment is the outlay of money or capitol with the expectation of profitable returns.

A purchase is the outlay of money or capitol to acquire something, with no expectation of profitable returns.

That's not to say a purchase cannot be an investment. But not all purchases are investments, regardless of the price.

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