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Rod Knock · May 5, 2022

ramffml said:
That means as much to me now as it did when he wrote it. It just means that you're trying to make this personal instead of factual.

I give up, this is hopeless...

Rod Knock · May 6, 2022

@ramffml after going back and forth yesterday with you, I'd feel bad if, at the very least, I didn't try to help you. The picture below is from March 2021, when I did my grille shutter delete. I upgraded the headlights with LED bulbs, and while I was at it, I decided to remove eight out of twelve shutters. Then tested functionality. I didn't remove the frame or the shutters on the top and the bottom. As far as the computer is concerned, everything is working as it should. When the truck is off, the shutters are closed. When you turn it on they open and the clutch fan immediately turns on, no matter how cold it is outside. It's a stupid implementation. At highway speeds, they stay closed and the engine really cooks. If you're truly interested in lowering your engine temperatures then you will leave your pride aside for a moment and give this a try. It has worked for many, it worked for me as well. I see no reason why it wouldn't work for you. Buy some silicone spray and spray the plastic before starting to pull them out. Of course, you will have to remove four bolts and the power cable that goes to the motor. It can be done in minutes. It takes more work to remove the top plastic cover and the front plastic grille than it takes to do the partial shutter delete. You will prolong the life of your engine by many many years if you go for it. Good luck, and I hope this helps, as I seriously doubt you enjoy running your engine at 230F~250.

Burla · May 6, 2022

$147.60 amazon 12 pack. Close to what it was almost a decade ago at 143. Just have to shop online to find cheap costs. it is what it is... If you don't know what I am talking about, it is a FAIL

FREE delivery May 11 - 13.

MontanaHandyman · May 6, 2022

Burla said:
$147.60 amazon 12 pack. Close to what it was almost a decade ago at 143. Just have to shop online to find cheap costs. it is what it is... If you don't know what I am talking about, it is a FAIL

FREE delivery May 11 - 13.

Pretty pricey for a smash pack of Bud, if you ask me...

ramffml · May 6, 2022

FalconHemi said:
@ramffml after going back and forth yesterday with you, I'd feel bad if, at the very least, I didn't try to help you. The picture below is from March 2021, when I did my grille shutter delete. I upgraded the headlights with LED bulbs, and while I was at it, I decided to remove eight out of twelve shutters. Then tested functionality. I didn't remove the frame or the shutters on the top and the bottom. As far as the computer is concerned, everything is working as it should. When the truck is off, the shutters are closed. When you turn it on they open and the clutch fan immediately turns on, no matter how cold it is outside. It's a stupid implementation. At highway speeds, they stay closed and the engine really cooks. If you're truly interested in lowering your engine temperatures then you will leave your pride aside for a moment and give this a try. It has worked for many, it worked for me as well. I see no reason why it wouldn't work for you. Buy some silicone spray and spray the plastic before starting to pull them out. Of course, you will have to remove four bolts and the power cable that goes to the motor. It can be done in minutes. It takes more work to remove the top plastic cover and the front plastic grille than it takes to do the partial shutter delete. You will prolong the life of your engine by many many years if you go for it. Good luck, and I hope this helps, as I seriously doubt you enjoy running your engine at 230F~250.

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Don't start up again my man. You're not helping anything. As I told you 10 times so far, I'm not hacking into my truck without evidence. You haven't provided evidence to my satisfaction.

Secondly, shudder delete is the wrong approach for many people anyway, even if they were closed at 230 degrees. This is because many of us benefit from the closed shutters in the winter, or on the highway for fuel efficiency which at todays prices seems important.

The better approach is an external, thermostat controlled oil cooler that activates at 220 (or whatever).

The only pride here is yours. Just move along now.

Wild one · May 6, 2022

ramffml said:
Don't start up again my man. You're not helping anything. As I told you 10 times so far, I'm not hacking into my truck without evidence. You haven't provided evidence to my satisfaction.

Secondly, shudder delete is the wrong approach for many people anyway, even if they were closed at 230 degrees. This is because many of us benefit from the closed shutters in the winter, or on the highway for fuel efficiency which at todays prices seems important.

The better approach is an external, thermostat controlled oil cooler that activates at 220 (or whatever).

The only pride here is yours. Just move along now.

You better upgrade to the Hellcat oil pump if you're going to run an external oil cooler,the stock 5.7 pump doesn't push enough volumne to keep your oil pressures at stock levels,you could do dual remote filters and still have good oil pressure,but you'll be down on pressure if you stick a cooler in the mix,plus you're in Canada and oil coolers even thermostatically controlled ones suck in the winter. I'm not overly familiar with the 5th Gens and their shutter system,but you aren't mounting an oil cooler behind the shutters on a 4 th Gen with-out moving the shutters ahead or removing them completely. You're to stubborn to try the shutter delete,but you're willing to hack up your truck to try an external oil cooler. I'm just gonna walk away shaking my head,as you're theories are a bit out in left field ,but you do what you want

ramffml · May 6, 2022

Wild one said:
You better upgrade to the Hellcat oil pump if you're going to run an external oil cooler,the stock 5.7 pump doesn't push enough volumne to keep your oil pressures at stock levels,you could do dual remote filters and still have good oil pressure,but you'll be down on pressure if you stick a cooler in the mix,plus you're in Canada and oil coolers even thermostatically controlled ones suck in the winter. I'm not overly familiar with the 5th Gens and their shutter system,but you aren't mounting an oil cooler behind the shutters on a 4 th Gen with-out moving the shutters ahead or removing them completely. You're to stubborn to try the shutter delete,but you're willing to hack up your truck to try an external oil cooler. I'm just gonna walk away shaking my head,as you're theories are a bit out in left field ,but you do what you want

Actually I plan to have my mechanic hack up my truck but I'll mention the oil pump. My "theories" are only in left field because they don't align with yours, but that's OK, I got your number.

Wild one · May 6, 2022

ramffml said:
Actually I plan to have my mechanic hack up my truck but I'll mention the oil pump. My "theories" are only in left field because they don't align with yours, but that's OK, I got your number.

Nope your theories are in left field because you don't have any actual real world experience,and you're to stubborn to actually try out an idea,that several guys have found to work.BTW to try out the shutter delete won't cost you a nickel to try. BTW i don't give out my number to just anybody,not sure how you figure you got it,lol.With that i'm done,like i said you can't argue with a theorist ,so you carry on. :cheers:

ramffml · May 6, 2022

Wild one said:
Nope your theories are in left field because you don't have any actual real world experience,and you're to stubborn to actually try out an idea,that several guys have found to work.BTW to try out the shutter delete won't cost you a nickel to try. BTW i don't give out my number to just anybody,not sure how you figure you got it,lol.With that i'm done,like i said you can't argue with a theorist ,so you carry on.

Evidence my man, evidence. If you had any, other than "some guys on a facebook group", your idea might be a little more credible. My mechanic is suggesting the oil cooler and (shocker) I'm going to follow his advice.

As I said, even if the shutter idea works, it's not the best solution in the first place since the shutters are useful in the winter or on the highway to some degree.

Wild one · May 6, 2022

ramffml said:
Evidence my man, evidence. If you had any, other than "some guys on a facebook group", your idea might be a little more credible. My mechanic is suggesting the oil cooler and (shocker) I'm going to follow his advice.

As I said, even if the shutter idea works, it's not the best solution in the first place since the shutters are useful in the winter or on the highway to some degree.

Good luck with that oil cooler at -20C and colder. Fyi for you all oil thermostats even in bypass mode still allow a small percentage of oil through the cooler,so you'll always be circulating cold oil through the system,long before your oil is up to temp,and you'll delay getting your oil up to temp in the winter.You might want to research oil coolers and oil thermostats a little more.
If you don't believe the guys who are towing and have found a differance in temps with the shutters removed,who in hell are you going to believe. Do you think they have something to gain by BS'ing about their experiences. You believed the guys who said Redline works,but you won't believe guys who tow and what they've experienced with the shutters removed ,i just can't figure you out. BTW isn't your mechanic an RV mechanic,lol

Wild one · May 6, 2022

ramffml said:
Evidence my man, evidence. If you had any, other than "some guys on a facebook group", your idea might be a little more credible. My mechanic is suggesting the oil cooler and (shocker) I'm going to follow his advice.

As I said, even if the shutter idea works, it's not the best solution in the first place since the shutters are useful in the winter or on the highway to some degree.

Here,do some reading,especially where they show you how it operates,and still bypasses close to 10% of the oil to keep from shocking the system or creating air pockets in the system. You shut down complete oil flow through the cooler,and you create air pockets,so an oil thermostat is always flowing oil even at -20C

High-Flow Engine & Transmission Oil Cooler Thermostat

Improved Racing's Flow Series Motor Sport (FSM) oil thermostat is a universal solution that can be used with any oil cooler on any vehicle or industrial application flowing up to 20 GPM (75.71 LPM). Accelerates fluid warmup time and maintains a minimum fluid temperature. Patented high-flow...

www.improvedracing.com

ramffml · May 6, 2022

Wild one said:
Good luck with that oil cooler at -20C and colder. Fyi for you all oil thermostats even in bypass mode still allow a small percentage of oil through the cooler,so you'll always be circulating cold oil through the system,long before your oil is up to temp,and you'll delay getting your oil up to temp in the winter.You might want to research oil coolers and oil thermostats a little more.

Actually oil coolers are an industry standard. You might want to research that.

Wild one said:
If you don't believe the guys who are towing and have found a differance in temps with the shutters removed,who in hell are you going to believe.

Guys who verify their theory with factual evidence.

Wild one said:
Do you think they have something to gain by BS'ing about their experiences.

That's obviously good enough for you but not for me. I want evidence.

Wild one said:
You believed the guys who said Redline works.

No I didn't. They presented a theory/suggestion, and because it was no further effort on my part to grab a red jug off the shelf instead of a green one, I tested the theory myself, and was satisfied with what I heard. I further verified that with continual scientific testing, I'm quite happy with the results I here but I do not claim that it IS preventing my tick, just that it COULD be and isn't harming my engine.

The problem with your theory is that it strains strains credulity. Your assertion is that Ram would keep the shutters closed while my engine is on its way to overheating, and I don't think Ram is that stupid so I want evidence.

And since it requires effort and possible damage to my truck (which is still under warranty) I'm going to pass on doing this test myself, especially considering there has been no evidence brought forward to support your claims. Not to mention, that due to my winter driving I'd have to go through the process twice a year. Yeah, not going to happen without evidence that it works.

Surely someone in that large circle of guys you chat up on facebook has done this test already right? You all hack on your truck with no formal testing process in place, just lobbin off parts as you go?

ramffml · May 6, 2022

Wild one said:
Here,do some reading,especially where they show you how it operates,and still bypasses close to 10% of the oil to keep from shocking the system or creating air pockets in the system. You shut down complete oil flow through the cooler,and you create air pockets,so an oil thermostat is always flowing oil even at -20C

High-Flow Engine & Transmission Oil Cooler Thermostat

Improved Racing's Flow Series Motor Sport (FSM) oil thermostat is a universal solution that can be used with any oil cooler on any vehicle or industrial application flowing up to 20 GPM (75.71 LPM). Accelerates fluid warmup time and maintains a minimum fluid temperature. Patented high-flow...

www.improvedracing.com

Looks absolutely perfect to me.

Wild one · May 6, 2022

ramffml said:
Looks absolutely perfect to me.

Common sense doesn't appear to be your forte ,but you're sure good at being a stubborn fool

.Good day to you sir,i'm done with trying to show you the light.

ramffml · May 6, 2022

Wild one said:
Common sense doesn't appear to be your forte ,but you're sure good at being a stubborn fool.Good day to you sir,i'm done with trying to show you the light.

Judging by the last 3 times you said that, see you tomorrow I guess??

Rod Knock · May 6, 2022

@Wild one this discussion started with another forum member, @Optiger, asking about how he could lower his HEMI's operating temperatures. Sadly @ramffml inserted himself into the conversation, making it about himself, without adding anything of value to it except conflict and drama. Unfortunately, @Optiger did not positively benefit from the exchange, which more than likely caused him to move on to greener pastures.

Given the hardships and difficult times we're all experiencing, I understand that people want to find an outlet for their frustration and vent. Understanding this, I persisted and still offered my council to @ramffml in a kind and composed manner. However, he insulted both you and me and went a step too far. The best way I can describe @ramffml's passive-aggressive demeanor is with a scene from Dr. House Season 6 Episode 9:

ramffml · May 6, 2022

FalconHemi said:
@Wild one this discussion started with another forum member, @Optiger, asking about how he could lower his HEMI's operating temperatures. Sadly @ramffml inserted himself into the discussion making it about himself, and without adding anything of value to it except conflict and drama. Sadly @Optiger did not benefit in any positive manner from the exchange that ensued, more than likely moved on to greener pastures.

Given the hardships and difficult times we're all experiencing I can understand that people want to find an outlet for their frustration, and vent. Understanding this, I persisted and still offered my council to @ramffml, in a kind, and in calm and composed manner. However, he insulted both you and I, and went a step too far. The best way I can describe @ramffml's passive-aggresive demeanor is with a scene from Dr. House Season 6 Episode 9:

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If you're really that sensitive, you should stay off line

Wild one · May 6, 2022

FalconHemi said:
@Wild one this discussion started with another forum member, @Optiger, asking about how he could lower his HEMI's operating temperatures. Sadly @ramffml inserted himself into the discussion making it about himself, and without adding anything of value to it except conflict and drama. Sadly @Optiger did not benefit in any positive manner from the exchange that ensued, more than likely moved on to greener pastures.

Given the hardships and difficult times we're all experiencing I can understand that people want to find an outlet for their frustration, and vent. Understanding this, I persisted and still offered my council to @ramffml, in a kind, and in calm and composed manner. However, he insulted both you and I, and went a step too far. The best way I can describe @ramffml's passive-aggresive demeanor is with a scene from Dr. House Season 6 Episode 9:

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I have to agree,he's also giving us Canucks a bad rep,lol

huntergreen · May 6, 2022

Wild one said:
I have to agree,he's also giving us Canucks a bad rep,lol

Not really, we all know there’s a “few” in every crowd that doesn’t taint all others.

Rod Knock · May 6, 2022

ramffml said:
If you're really that sensitive, you should stay off line

Wild one said:
I have to agree,he's also giving us Canucks a bad rep,lol

He is the exception to the rule. All Canadians I met in real life and online have been outstanding people, always friendly and ready to help. And I am honored to call you my friend. A bad apple cannot, and should not, spoil the entire barrel, so to speak

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