CHRYSLER HEMI ENGINE TICKING NOISE CAUSES LAWSUIT

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All of this has gotten my attention. I changed my oil a few weeks ago and ever since then I have a bad tick at startup. I used to notice it a little bit, but ever since that last change it’s louder and longer and much more noticeable. I used Mobile1 5w-20 full synthetic with a Mobile1 filter. Have for years. I change my oil once a year since I maybe put 6k miles on it yearly. It’s a 2014 with right at 53k on it. I’m fearing I have a failed lifter or swim thing worse. I have the oil catch can and I’ve noticed some little shiny flakes at the bottom when I empty it the past few times. I’m wondering if I should go ahead and do another change and switch to redline and see if that helps. Any ideas guys?
My truck was Terrible on mobile 1 I use Pennzoil synthetic now.
 

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I would, you are in the good zone for the switch to redline 5w30, pair it with a royal purple 20-820. Being in georgia if that is where the truck is, this is a great all year round choice. You might want to send a used oil analysis, see what those shavings are bearings or upper end stuff. Either way redline will give more protection. If you have had a mis fire code yet po300 range, you are still good as far as lifters and a cam.
Yea I’m in GA. Go with the 30 and not 20? I haven’t had any codes at all. The only thing my truck has done besides this is maybe 2-3 months ago I stopped at a red light and every warning light on the gauge cluster flashed for about 3 seconds and then stopped. Hadn’t happened since so I thought that might’ve been a battery issue. I went ahead and ordered the test kit. Should I use oil from the pan or do y’all think the oil in the catch can would be fine to send in?
 

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My truck was Terrible on mobile 1 I use Pennzoil synthetic now.
I’ve used it for probably 5 years now and never had an issues until now. Looking at ordering the redline now though for sure.
 

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Yea I’m in GA. Go with the 30 and not 20? I haven’t had any codes at all. The only thing my truck has done besides this is maybe 2-3 months ago I stopped at a red light and every warning light on the gauge cluster flashed for about 3 seconds and then stopped. Hadn’t happened since so I thought that might’ve been a battery issue. I went ahead and ordered the test kit. Should I use oil from the pan or do y’all think the oil in the catch can would be fine to send in?
If it were me, I'd just send the oil in, collect a little warm and fill container. Catch can oil is mixed with stuff that will mess up the numbers. You are combating metal to metal contact, 5w30 is the way to go when dealing with hemi tick and has the best chance at killing the tick. The oil pump is like a wagon wheel, it is gonna get 5w30 to the surface just as quick as 5w20, but the extra viscosity will give you better metal on metal protection. The info I have is the best chance based on this forum over ten years, doesnt necessarily mean it is the best, just the best chance or shot based on the collective experience. Read this thread and see poll results for more info, take part in it as well. Ask blackstone about testing metal shavings, I think you can tell if it is iron or alum with a magnet, copper would be orange.
 

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I checked that and it’s all tight. It lasts maybe 5 seconds or so which makes me think it’s internal and then the oil gets circulated and it’s fine. I may send some oil off for testing to see what they say and wait it out. Luckily I’m moving soon and my new neighbor is a retired NASCAR engine builder. So maybe he can help out if it’s something internal. I’m sure he has the knowledge and tools.
My 2015 will clatter for a few seconds on startup if I have short-tripped to my in-laws a couple blocks away or moved the truck and let it sit for a bit.

Sounds like ****, and I cringe whenever I hear it

Has done this ever since I got her with 28,600 miles on her. 141,000 miles now.

Wish you the best on getting it sorted out.
 
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2020PW, nowhere did I say I was lookin for a payout, comprehend a little more next time. No one else has shared this so figured I’d share. At least it’s finally getting some attention.

Seen mention of royal purple filters. I’m switching to Puralator Boss once I finish my OLDER RP filters. I posted about it a while ago why I’m making the switch and wouldn’t recommend them now: Thread 'DO NOT BUY RP 10-47!!!!'
 

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2020PW, nowhere did I say I was lookin for a payout, comprehend a little more next time. No one else has shared this so figured I’d share. At least it’s finally getting some attention.

Seen mention of royal purple filters. I’m switching to Puralator Boss once I finish my OLDER RP filters. I posted about it a while ago why I’m making the switch and wouldn’t recommend them now: Thread 'DO NOT BUY RP 10-47!!!!'
The problem is with the smaller filter across other brands as well, RP 20-820 has no issues, or yes another option would be puro, but I'd get the large size there as well. FCA went to smaller filters for who knows why = stupid is as stupid does fca.
 
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I’m ignorant in regards to what the difference is between smaller vs larger oil filter. What would the benefit be? I guess it could also help changing the filter on oil changes because it’s longer, but I guess it could also lower the oil PSI due to its larger size? Still not sure how I trust RP’s quality even on their larger one if the smaller ones been degraded.
 

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I'm not sure what else I can say, once again there is a bulletin posted in oil filter thread with manu's and the smaller filter throwing codes, those manu's do not have the bulletin on the larger filters because they don't throw a code. To the why, anything I could say would be a guess, it is what it is.

Long time ago as recorded in syn thread I had a puro synthetic that made my truck tick right after an oil change as well, took it off and and put back a RP same size and tick was gone. Now, this was before the puro re-design, but puro was junk. The pic posted shows to the why in that case, puro didnt have enough drain holes in the cylinder. Now, they went to the cheese grater so they are good, but no explanation to why a company would have so few holes in the first place evcer.

The smaller filter has been known for ticking and has bulletins out by oil filter manu's. Because FCA is such a cruddy outfit, they know about the ticking condition and believe it is not filter related so they didnt put a bulletin on oem filters. With hemi tick, one thing is for sure, it is up to every owner to find their own answer because nobody else is gonna help. This issue has been discused in the oil filter thread, whatever works is what you should use, but nobody should be using the smaller filters imo. This was Puro versus RP, you can see why the purolater ticked and that is why they have later on the end, because I'd use that filter much later then other filters.

This is large puro synthetic versus large royal purple, those lack of holes in the puro made my truck tick. Enlarge the photo and look down the center. If you read the syn thread towards the end, you also see the new puro filters somewhere in between fram/rp and wix xp, closer to wix xp, not impressive.

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The two dogs in this graph professionally tested, wix xp and your purolater. These are tested after the puro redesign, this is how that filter currently filters. Which has nothing to do with holes, they were bad at flow and their media has poor filtration. That is not my opinion, those are facts, just so you know.



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I get that you are upset with royal purple filters because your truck ticked, but if you were participating in the oil filter thread you would know why and understand it has nothing to do with RP, it is indeed the smaller filter, been posted and discussed many times in that thread. The answer is to move to the larger filter, not a brand that is poor at filtration. If you are mad at RP and that is that, maybe consider fram ultra that came in first in both tests in that thread. But the larger filters across brands did not cause tick, except for the old puro boss that was a very poor design as you can see. Hopefully this will help you andrew, that is my intent.


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FCA announced the end of hemi engines some time ago,so this engine is on death row and I really doubt of any chance take them to court for hemi tick,in Australia they hemi owners try hard to build up a case against FCA for recalls ,but as far I know they go nowhere .
 

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Class actions lawsuits almost never compensate the plaintiffs their loss. Usually the reward for loss is spread across all plaintiffs minus the fat fee from the liars, Uh- I mean lawyers. So hang on for a check for $75 bux.
 

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I’m ignorant in regards to what the difference is between smaller vs larger oil filter. What would the benefit be? I guess it could also help changing the filter on oil changes because it’s longer, but I guess it could also lower the oil PSI due to its larger size? Still not sure how I trust RP’s quality even on their larger one if the smaller ones been degraded.
The reference to "smaller" filter is the factory change from MO-899 to the current MO-339 oil filter sometime in the 2014 model year for Rams 1500s. The larger MO-899 continued to be listed and used for heavy duty applications (2500 and up).

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Have 125,000 on mine ... regular oil changes at the dealer (4-5,000 miles). Send samples to Brookstone labs. Last result was "another perfect report."

Thinking most problems are poor maintenance ...
 

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Any idea how long these cases can drag on for and what a potential resolution may be? Any way to track the case?

Reads as if MDS is the issue so to me sounds like only solution is to remove MDS..problem is, MDS is most likely how FCA bends over for the government to make their vehicles efficient and abide by EPA regulations and such. Again, this is all my understanding. So if that’s the case, not like they’ll just remove this and risk government fines.

Guessing nothing will come of this..but interesting to share and curious everyone’s input.

https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/...edium=email&utm_campaign=20220516-ram-lawsuit
I'm thinking that the Hemi tick was present long before the MDS was added.
 

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gfvierman said:Thinking most problems are poor maintenance ...

I bought a new 2019 Longhorn. When looking at trucks on the lot, I found one I liked. We started it up and ... my what a ticking beast it was. It was quite loud. The salesman told me that was no problem, it was because the engine was cold. I got right out of it and found another Longhorn (same except for color). Fired it up and it was quiet as can be. I bought that one and after reading about this ticking issue on these forums, I'm glad I didn't listen to the salesman. That was a brand new truck making such a racket I couldn't believe it. I sure didn't believe the salesman.
 

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The problem is with the smaller filter across other brands as well, RP 20-820 has no issues, or yes another option would be puro, but I'd get the large size there as well. FCA went to smaller filters for who knows why = stupid is as stupid does fca.
Have you looked under the new 4WD hemi with air suspension? May have gone to a smaller oil filter so it was at least theoretically possible to change the filter! I just changed the oil at 440 miles but did not attempt the filter. When I take it in for yearly service I'm gonna ask if i can watch the service to see how they do it.
 

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Have you looked under the new 4WD hemi with air suspension? May have gone to a smaller oil filter so it was at least theoretically possible to change the filter! I just changed the oil at 440 miles but did not attempt the filter. When I take it in for yearly service I'm gonna ask if i can watch the service to see how they do it.
The smaller filter makes it possible to change from below as the electric steering box is in the way for the big filters. To run the MO-899 size filter I have to reach in from front- radiator back. There is a tunnel/lane the big filters can be taken to reach the oil filter flange.
 

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We have had a couple ram forum members relocate their filter location and add a large filter, so 2 filter set up and the engine oil psi was identical to one large filter. Just something to consider if you feel like you are stuck with smaller filters.
 
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