Oil Filter Thread

@HEMIMANN
I watched a cut apart of the updated fram ultra and it appears their "dual layer" synthetic media uses one layer of synthetic media and the back layer is paper...

Travis8352 said:

@HEMIMANN
I watched a cut apart of the updated fram ultra and it appears their "dual layer" synthetic media uses one layer of synthetic media and the back layer is paper...

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That would contradict what the Fram Rep. told us. He said both layers are synthetic, of differing efficiencies. Presumably the outer layer being the coarser, it doubles the surface area providing both higher capacity and efficiency.
I'm not a Fram shill - it would be interesting to test the inner layer composition.

HEMIMANN said:

That would contradict what the Fram Rep. told us. He said both layers are synthetic, of differing efficiencies. Presumably the outer layer being the coarser, it doubles the surface area providing both higher capacity and efficiency.
I'm not a Fram shill - it would be interesting to test the inner layer composition.

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Yes it would. I remembered seeing another cut away comparing the old to new and the old was metal wire backed and the new was plastic mesh backed. Weird now this one is paper under the synthetic media

when I bought my ultra, I was told is was synthetic on fram website, so how can they have stiffened when my older RP stored in same place didnt? I dont trust fram as much as RP. Now, the ultras I took off my wifes vehicle were still good, so I think it is a top choice, but I trust rp until they loose it, so far so good. Get amsoil ea or rp of you want consistency over a decade, stay away from smaller options though.

Calling @Burla, @Hemi395….

So now that mobile one is once again an approved oil for Chrysler, I think this fall when it comes time to do another oil change I’m going to try the mobile 1 5W 20 extended performance to see how that goes and if I like it, I’ll probably stick to that but I’m curious about trying those highly regarded royal purple oil filters but because I heard- or thought I heard a while back that they supposedly no longer make those filters the way you guys talked so much about, I just wanted to ask if those royal purple filters that you guys suggested so many times are still the go to filter along with the fram ultra, the WixXP or the Amsoil EA, thanks.

I will continue with ultra on the wifes vehicle, I will update when I get that, maybe years. No more storing in hot space and will get new construction.

remember, the issue I bought 6 pack and stored in trunk next to rp, rp was still soft and pliable, fram, the last fram was unusable due to stiffening.

Travis8352 said:

Yes it would. I remembered seeing another cut away comparing the old to new and the old was metal wire backed and the new was plastic mesh backed. Weird now this one is paper under the synthetic media

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How do we know it's paper, is my point?

HEMIMANN said:

How do we know it's paper, is my point?

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I guess im just going based on appearance and the guy in the video said that to

Travis8352 said:

I guess im just going based on appearance and the guy in the video said that to

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Yeah, that's why one of us ought to test one. If I get time or remember I'll do it. We had winter up to May so I'm way behind in all things seasonal right now, including truck maintenance!

It seems awfully risky to me for a Fram Rep. to knowingly falsify product information in writing directly to a customer. I mean, that's really pushing it. Maybe manufacturers are that far gone now days? Who knows?

HEMIMANN said:

Yeah, that's why one of us ought to test one. If I get time or remember I'll do it. We had winter up to May so I'm way behind in all things seasonal right now, including truck maintenance!

It seems awfully risky to me for a Fram Rep. to knowingly falsify product information in writing directly to a customer. I mean, that's really pushing it. Maybe manufacturers are that far gone now days? Who knows?

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Me to i still got a stubborn snow bank that wont dissapear. Need to get lots done this summer

The only think i can think of is on their website it says dual layered synthetic media but lower down it says dual layered synthetic blend media. Maybe they didnt know?

HEMIMANN said:

Yeah, that's why one of us ought to test one. If I get time or remember I'll do it. We had winter up to May so I'm way behind in all things seasonal right now, including truck maintenance!

It seems awfully risky to me for a Fram Rep. to knowingly falsify product information in writing directly to a customer. I mean, that's really pushing it. Maybe manufacturers are that far gone now days? Who knows?

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i will, be a while though as I just did the change. Maybe a year from now I can answer this...

i hope when I order it is the new stock...

I had to cut short reading this thread on page 65. I am picking up a 5.7 Rebel this week. Is the Redline oil and purple or SRT filters the way to go? Thanks

az chip said:

I had to cut short reading this thread on page 65. I am picking up a 5.7 Rebel this week. Is the Redline oil and purple or SRT filters the way to go? Thanks

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there is a when not to use redline thread, if high miles and you don't have tick, you may opt for something else. When you have tick, or even young engines, redline imo is as good as it gets, but moving older engines over to redline carry's some risks as discovered long term on ram forum.

az chip said:

I had to cut short reading this thread on page 65...

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No, you have to finish reading the whole thing! Oh, and there will be a test at the end...

NOV87 said:

No, you have to finish reading the whole thing! Oh, and there will be a test at the end...

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The "Synthetic Oil" thread is an especially great read...all 4,489 pages of it!

Burla said:

there is a when not to use redline thread, if high miles and you don't have tick, you may opt for something else. When you have tick, or even young engines, redline imo is as good as it gets, but moving older engines over to redline carry's some risks as discovered long term on ram forum.

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This Ram Rebel has 30,112 on it. Just trying to set it up for longevity.

az chip said:

This Ram Rebel has 30,112 on it. Just trying to set it up for longevity.

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use the 20-820 rp filter if that is the brand you are using, and I do believe redline is one of the best choices. I have had around 20 vehicles in my life, and none of them did it matter what to use. A cheap synthetic is perfect choice for any of those vehicles. However, the 5.7 is a different animal, very finicky with lubrication. Redline has the additives to address ram's finickyness with hemi tick and general stoutness. It isnt about brand, it is about super high moly and pao/ester base oils plus heavy aw additives as well. 5w30 redline has no weaknesses except one, if you are in the snow belt there is a possibility of cold piston slap, in that case the 0w30 redline is perfect, but on that oil the 0w30 the formula is changing, so we don't know what that will be yet. If you do try it, I might suggest doing a used oil analysis on the second interval with it, so you can see how your engine is wearing, give you a good idea of longevity. Hemi's are high wear engines, but a sub group within our group do produce very low wear numbers. It would be good to know if you were in that group? Check the blackstone thread for more info...

In phoenix it doesnt get better then redline 5w30 imo.

As a aircraft mechanic I am very aware of Blackstone Labs. Thanks for the great info. You are an awesome resource!

Just picked up Wednesday.

Since our engines like molybdenum, I am going with Liqui Moly MolyGen 5W30 and an OEM filter. Right now I used Fram fully synthetic oil 5W20 just to get it from point A to B because it was sitting for over 4 years. These are GREAT trucks!

Best regards,

-Mike