Death of the V8 & birth of a.... Inline 6?

Okie345 said:

I'm going off how other manufacturers have done it in the past ford, chevy, and ram Trucks specifically. The ram with an actual oil level sensor will the be first half ton to have it. An audi and a ram serve two completely different purposes.

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That's just it, Ford, Chevy, and Ram haven't done it in the past (oil level sensors). They've always had either an oil pressure gauge or an idiot light. Either way, none claimed that to be a reliable way to check oil level.

Doesn't matter what purpose the vehicle serves, oil level is oil level and the two vehicles with different purposes could actually use the same sensor equally as well.

mikeru said:

To be clear, I'm not arguing against having dipsticks, but that doesn't even make sense. Oil pressure has no correlation to oil level until the oil level drops significantly. How do you measure oil level using oil pressure? The sensor in my Audi doesn't go off oil pressure. The car needs to be on a level surface and the engine has to be off for a certain amount of time before the oil level will show on the display. And it's quite accurate under those conditions. If the sensor says I'm 1/2 quart low and I add 1/2 quart, it's full when I check it again. I added an aftermarket dipstick for my own peace of mind though, because as already mentioned, sensors fail.

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All the reads are always amusing to dis BOIRD. All the fancy electronics, and the calculated PSI Oil Pressure. Wat I do is simple, guess Army trained: I see the Oil PSI (make a mental note), the idiot light, the gauge telling me how much Oil Life is left, etc. I just do the Military thing. Every 2-4 weeks do a lil PMCS on truck: Pop hood when engine cold: Check Oil Level, Check Antifreeze level in reservoir, play peek a boo at brake fluid reservoir, look at air pressures on Evic display ref tires but I use a digital gauge to fill ne way, and once in a while peek at the engine and under truck for any tell tale drips. YUP, Military (Army Trained). Found a lil PMCS helps and it helps to have a MX schedule you follow: Like rotate tires every 5,000 miles, change oil every 5,000. Just wat I do and works.

CAVEAT: I do hate the not having a dipstick for the HP trans, but alas, it is what it is.

ADDED: For the Non Military: PMCS Preventive Maintenance Checks and Services: (ie., what is "required" before U operate any equipment).

TO THE OP: I guess off topic a bit, but WTH. And for me, I will keep my old reliable Hemi till tires fall off, do not want a 6 Cylinder truck, if I did, I would have bought instead of Hemi, but again, that is just me, all above IMHO.....

mikeru said:

That's just it, Ford, Chevy, and Ram haven't done it in the past (oil level sensors). They've always had either an oil pressure gauge or an idiot light. Either way, none claimed that to be a reliable way to check oil level.

Doesn't matter what purpose the vehicle serves, oil level is oil level and the two vehicles with different purposes could actually use the same sensor equally as well.

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Ford around 2004 with the 5.4 3v did call it an oil level monitor. It stated in the owners manual that you should only need to check the oil level if the oil level low was shown in the display. But it went off oil pressure not oil capacity. I try not write a book when I reply to people. Should have stated it too begin with. Farmer bobs not buying an audi. He's also not gonna check his oil once you add a sensor.

Okie345 said:

Ford around 2004 with the 5.4 3v did call it an oil level monitor. It stated in the owners manual that you should only need to check the oil level if the oil level low was shown in the display. But it went off oil pressure not oil capacity. I try not write a book when I reply to people. Should have stated it too begin with. Farmer bobs not buying an audi. He's also not gonna check his oil once you add a sensor.

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Who's Farmer bob, and how do you know what he plans to buy or what his maintenance habits are? Or are you just attempting to generalize pickup owners in general?

The Audi example was just to demonstrate that oil level isn't determined by an oil pressure sending unit. Audi isn't the only car maker that uses a sensor for checking fluid levels.

Okie: I call BS, no vehicles monitor the oil level by using oil pressure, they
are 2 totally different things......a different sensor.
And you want to fill the oil through the dipstick hole ? Wow, oil goes in through
the large filler hole.

Anything and everything eventually breaks, and some people can break a bowling ball by looking at it too hard, but I have never broken a dipstick.

All I'm going to say on the matter; if the oil level sensors are built by the same guy who built the sensors for my RV gray/black water tanks... heaven help us.

Rumor mill is that Chevy may also be introducing a twin turbo straight six sooner rather than later.

All this new engine talk isn't seeing the 800 lb gorilla in the room:
You have to buy a new vehicle to get one.
How many people do you know in today's economy have a spare $50-$90k laying around?
And with today's regular gas price at $8.05 in LA and Washington state resetting gas pumps to accept double-digit per gallon prices most people aren't new car shopping.

^^^ My attitude as well.
My PowerWagon could get better MPGs, but at least it's paid off so I'm not paying the bank and the gas companies...

Fatbob Frank said:

^^^ My attitude as well.
My PowerWagon could get better MPGs, but at least it's paid off so I'm not paying the bank and the gas companies...

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Nothing better than a paid off ride, IMHO...... Makes my lowly lil MY 19 Bighorn even more precious.

I have been on the look out for a gas 2500 laramie for a while but they are few and far between and I wont get hosed for one so still looking. almost crossed over to the darkside when I saw a new 2022 f250 xlt with the 7.3 v8 and 10 speed for 59,000$ but decided to hold out a little longer. as for a turbo 6 in the future, I would not be opposed to a straight 6 version. I would consider one of those if the numbers are good. probably the way to go for light duty, just keep making the big mills for the heavy duty models.

Not going to lie, the 7.3 is the only thing that would make me look twice at a Ford. I hope Ram comes up with an answer sometime soon.

NJMOPAR said:

All this new engine talk isn't seeing the 800 lb gorilla in the room:
You have to buy a new vehicle to get one.
How many people do you know in today's economy have a spare $50-$90k laying around?
And with today's regular gas price at $8.05 in LA and Washington state resetting gas pumps to accept double-digit per gallon prices most people aren't new car shopping.

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Enough have the money or the credit that new cars aren't sitting long on the lots. Obviously a lot of people live hand to mouth but that doesn't stop them from buying expensive toys until the chickens come home to roost. That said, "most people" were never new car shopping at the upper end of the spectrum, the minority buy them then the unwashed masses sn a tch them up from the used car market at various price points.

Personally, I'm able to buy a new car whenever I decide to. I'm thinking gas prices may start driving some incentives on bigger vehicles and start driving down resale like it did every other time gas has spiked. I remember when the Expedition went from the hot new thing to can barely give them away pricing nearly overnight, when diesel hit $5 a gallon the first time, etc. These things are cyclical and people rarely look for the long term. Which is why they live hand to mouth to start with.

Gas prices aren't spiking, they're "transitioning" to a "fundamental change" in America.
Welcome to the New World Order.

NJMOPAR said:

Gas prices aren't spiking, they're "transitioning" to a "fundamental change" in America.
Welcome to the New World Order.

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Sure. Like they did under Reagonomics, then under Bush in '08 then the bounce in '12. It's cyclical and the same cries of the sky is falling happened every time because people see the short term trend and assume it will last forever. They buy stocks that are going up and sell stocks going down because whatever line a price is moving is the line it'll move forever. Prices today are roughly what they were, inflation adjusted, for 1980. I'd give it 2 years tops before prices are back to the historical inflation adjusted normal range. Especially once the short memories "forget" the Russian oil ban and discounted Russian oil starts flowing back into the market.

Buy midstream companies now. They are discounted today because of the general market worries. Oil and gas aren't going away, midstreams insulate you from the boom/bust cycle that the oil industry routinely goes through, and dividends are consistent and strong. Then you'll be able to afford to feed your toys via passive income. Or don't. But I'll be retiring at 55 pretty comfortably and dividends are a big chunk of why I can. (I'd planned to retire at 52, but I got a new position that I actually really like and get nearly 2 months of paid time off a year, so I'm working longer than I planned just because I want to)

ramffml said:

When you put 4 lego blocks in a bottle, shake it all about and pour it out, you get back 4 lego blocks. In the past, the lego block fairy might steal 1 or 2 when you were sleeping.

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Ahhhh, I thought you meant they ran without oil...

Okie345 said:

Ford around 2004 with the 5.4 3v did call it an oil level monitor. It stated in the owners manual that you should only need to check the oil level if the oil level low was shown in the display. But it went off oil pressure not oil capacity.

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Well that is beyond stupid. Glad I never got into the Ford camp.

I am not so sure the usual course of high and then low gas prices will happen until there is different thinking in washington. before, production increases would cause more supply and so the price fell. I dont see the gov. at least for the next 2 years wanting to do anything to increase or encourage more production. the draining of the strategic reserve which was filled when prices were low will need to be refilled while prices are high and it shows that the gov. prefers to use what we have on hand rather than produce any new. IMHO

ramffml said:

Not going to lie, the 7.3 is the only thing that would make me look twice at a Ford. I hope Ram comes up with an answer sometime soon.

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IF they built that 7.3 based on the old 7.3, a great Motor. Wish I could squeeze one into my RAM, it would run forever, IMHO...

ADDED: Would luv the motor, but want all the RAM niceties in the interior, even on MY 19 DT Bighorn.