End of the V8 Power Wagon's?

UTAHPWRWGN · Jun 9, 2022

Stellantis Whips Up a 500-HP Hurricane

Why develop a clean-sheet combustion engine when the world is going all-electric? We can explain.

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UTAHPWRWGN · Jun 9, 2022

Stellantis Media - Stellantis Debuts Hurricane Twin-turbo I-6 Engine That Cuts Emissions, Increases Fuel Economy <em>And</em> Is More Powerful

Stellantis today revealed its new, 3.0-liter, twin-turbo, inline, six-cylinder engine, named Hurricane, that delivers better fuel economy and fewer emissions than larger engines while at the same time generates more horsepower and torque than many competitors’ naturally aspirated V-8 and boosted...

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Fatbob Frank · Jun 10, 2022

I already have mine so I really don't care if they dump a Hurricane in them in the future.
By the time I'm ready for a new truck internal combustion engines will most likely be extinct anyway...

Grand Mesa · Jun 10, 2022

Found this comment on a forum in regards to putting a turbo on a boat engine, "Turbo's make power in mid to upper RPM ranges. A boat engine needs low end for a good hole shot."

The Power Wagon also needs power at a low RPM for ascending slow steep off-road gradients. Not certain if a turbo engine would be any improvement over the 6.4L for the Power Wagon's 4 wheeling capabilities.

bcbouy · Jun 10, 2022

Fatbob Frank said:
I already have mine so I really don't care if they dump a Hurricane in them in the future.
By the time I'm ready for a new truck internal combustion engines will most likely be extinct anyway...

same.i don't care what they do next.unless mine gets totalled, i won't be buying another truck before i croak.my son is buying the wife a cybertruck anyway.

British Bulldog · Jun 10, 2022

I’m confused here. Been following
discussions about this Hurricane engine. Reading deeper into article, it says 91 octane needed for HO engine and 91 recommended/advised for standard!
The price of fuel differs so much from 87/89 to 91 ( if you can find it) how is this going to be better for us, the end user?
Imagine filling a 33 gall tank with 91………

wgreggking · Jun 10, 2022

"The price of fuel differs so much from 87/89 to 91 ( if you can find it) how is this going to be better for us, the end user?
Imagine filling a 33 gall tank with 91………"

Trailmaker · Jun 10, 2022

Doubt this is for the 2500/3500. Though is might effect the TRX

Grand Mesa · Jun 10, 2022

Going to need that 500 horsepower to tow the much heavier new electric ski boats.

GS22E electric tow boat gives a preview of clean, quiet watersports

The world's first all-electric water ski tow boat is up and running, offering demo days from the shores of Lake Tahoe in California. The Super Air Nautique GS22E offers watersports fans a handsome, quiet, emissions-free fun machine ... at a price.

newatlas.com

ramffml · Jun 10, 2022

Grand Mesa said:
Found this comment on a forum in regards to putting a turbo on a boat engine, "Turbo's make power in mid to upper RPM ranges. A boat engine needs low end for a good hole shot."

The Power Wagon also needs power at a low RPM for ascending slow steep off-road gradients. Not certain if a turbo engine would be any improvement over the 6.4L for the Power Wagon's 4 wheeling capabilities.

That comment is wrong. Turbos excel at low end torque. All the turbos out there in trucks, feel stronger off idle and low RPMs vs the N/A counterparts. Think F150 2.7/3.5, the Chevy 2.7, they all feel stronger than the v8s. Our hemi's for example, don't build peak torque until (what) 4500 RPM's? The 2.7 is making peak torque below 2000 RPMs or thereabouts. If I was a chevy fan and wanted to buy a truck for pulling a 0 to 7000 pound trailer I'd sooner get the 2.7 over the 5.3 if I just cared about power and performance and mpg.

So as far as performance goes, don't worry about turbos. Turbo lag is non existant when done right in modern engines, and power off the line is far stronger than v8's.

As far as durability, reliability, and engine lifetime... that remains to be seen.

wgreggking · Jun 10, 2022

Grand Mesa said:
Going to need that 500 horsepower to tow the much heavier new electric ski boats.

GS22E electric tow boat gives a preview of clean, quiet watersports

The world's first all-electric water ski tow boat is up and running, offering demo days from the shores of Lake Tahoe in California. The Super Air Nautique GS22E offers watersports fans a handsome, quiet, emissions-free fun machine ... at a price.

newatlas.com

Brace yourself, though, the price starts at US$292,711. for a ski boat

Trailmaker · Jun 10, 2022

ramffml said:
That comment is wrong. Turbos excel at low end torque. All the turbos out there in trucks, feel stronger off idle and low RPMs vs the N/A counterparts. Think F150 2.7/3.5, the Chevy 2.7, they all feel stronger than the v8s. Our hemi's for example, don't build peak torque until (what) 4500 RPM's? The 2.7 is making peak torque below 2000 RPMs or thereabouts. If I was a chevy fan and wanted to buy a truck for pulling a 0 to 7000 pound trailer I'd sooner get the 2.7 over the 5.3 if I just cared about power and performance and mpg.

So as far as performance goes, don't worry about turbos. Turbo lag is non existant when done right in modern engines, and power off the line is far stronger than v8's.

As far as durability, reliability, and engine lifetime... that remains to be seen.

Twin turbo is key to keeping the power curve correct as both turbos are tuned differently my daily is a 3.5 Raptor running stock 450hp and 510 torque. Though it has the balls, is does not have the weight or length to tow above 8000 lbs. I pulled a 9500 RV and it was going great till it pushed me through the stop light. I was so used to towing with the PW that I misjudged my abilities.

Trailmaker · Jun 10, 2022

I forgot “Pictures or it didn’t happen”:

BWL · Jun 10, 2022

Grand Mesa said:
Going to need that 500 horsepower to tow the much heavier new electric ski boats.

GS22E electric tow boat gives a preview of clean, quiet watersports

The world's first all-electric water ski tow boat is up and running, offering demo days from the shores of Lake Tahoe in California. The Super Air Nautique GS22E offers watersports fans a handsome, quiet, emissions-free fun machine ... at a price.

newatlas.com

I guess you don't need the ballast tank for the wake with the extra 1100 lbs of battery pack.

Grand Mesa · Jun 10, 2022

BWL said:
I guess you don't need the ballast tank for the wake with the extra 1100 lbs of battery pack.

Just like Ram

BWL said:
I guess you don't need the ballast tank for the wake with the extra 1100 lbs of battery pack.

2 to 3 hours of normal usage for an expensive boat, followed by a 10 hour 240V recharging. Not much time for wake boarding.

Jim888 · Jun 13, 2022

Grand Mesa said:
Found this comment on a forum in regards to putting a turbo on a boat engine, "Turbo's make power in mid to upper RPM ranges. A boat engine needs low end for a good hole shot."

The Power Wagon also needs power at a low RPM for ascending slow steep off-road gradients. Not certain if a turbo engine would be any improvement over the 6.4L for the Power Wagon's 4 wheeling capabilities.

Turbos make power down low to start with and just keep going up .

BWL · Jun 13, 2022

Trailmaker said:
Doubt this is for the 2500/3500. Though is might effect the TRX

I think you're correct, but with mandated fuel economy and emissions requirements at some point we may run into smaller turbo gas engines on the HD eventually. I don't think government regulators care if the average consumer has to spend more on repairs and maintenance and the cost per vehicle for not meeting them is so high we'd have to pay the extra one way or another.

Marine Les · Jun 14, 2022

The inline six is best for torque and when you add a turbo look out.

Grand Mesa · Jun 15, 2022

BWL said:
I think you're correct, but with mandated fuel economy and emissions requirements at some point we may run into smaller turbo gas engines on the HD eventually. I don't think government regulators care if the average consumer has to spend more on repairs and maintenance and the cost per vehicle for not meeting them is so high we'd have to pay the extra one way or another.

I hope not.

Small turbo gas engines may out perform large block V8's, but at our elevation (9,900 feet average for my zip code) the turbos need to work harder from what I've read. Spinning faster to compensate for the thinner atmospheric pressure which generates more heat. With the thinner air comes less heat displacement. I understand that restrictions can be put on turbos so that they don't exceed a set maximum speed.

2003F350 · Jun 15, 2022

Trailmaker said:
Twin turbo is key to keeping the power curve correct as both turbos are tuned differently my daily is a 3.5 Raptor running stock 450hp and 510 torque. Though it has the balls, is does not have the weight or length to tow above 8000 lbs. I pulled a 9500 RV and it was going great till it pushed me through the stop light. I was so used to towing with the PW that I misjudged my abilities.

That's really the issue with newer Fords with the all aluminum body - they're rated to pull and carry more because they're lighter, but they're LIGHTER which isn't always a good thing. As you discovered, that light (I'm guessing) aluminum-bodied Raptor didn't have enough weight to help slow you down. I mean it'll do it, but you've got to be 100% aware of what you're doing.

For instance, between my wife, me, and my FIL we have 3 trucks: her F150, his F250, and my PW. Her F150 supposedly has a curb weight of about 4500 lbs. His F250, with the 7.3 Godzilla motor, comes in at about 6200 lbs. My tank of a PW comes in at over 7k. Having pulled a lot of the same trailers with both his truck and mine (we don't usually pull much with hers, though that 2.7 twin-turbo has some giddyup)...I'd rather have my PW. It just feels like I've got more control over what's behind me.

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