Preemptively replacing cam and lifters on a 5.7 Hemi *before* tick?

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@DiabloThunder That last statement is probably all you needed to say.
I'll add: A large percentage of the folks here are the latter and found their way on these forums because they found or are looking for a problem so your audience is biased yet still represents less than 1% of all owners out there.
 
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No need to pay for 6 speed tunes , I got all 3 of them Soft ****, Hard shift and Track day :)

Will upload them and share the links when I have time.

I got them on the RFE FB group. Great bunch of guys. They all use HP tuners as well since diablo cant tune trans at all.

You can keep that first one all to yourself :p
 
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I have had so far 6 Rams, 2 duallies, 1 2500, a v6 garbage piece of trash and 2 5.7l. The first 5.7L I had it got traded in with 445,000 miles (for a honda Crosstour fml) and now I have a 2012 1500 5.7L with 209,000 miles that I just built (everything but the engine). I have never had that ticking noise, never touched a lifter or even seen the inside of my engines. Ram to me is by far the most reliable truck out there and I had Ford and Chevy. I would say leave it as is and I believe that before it needs anything it will let you know.
Hi all,

I know this is discussed multiple times per day in Hemi world, but almost everything I read is about either rebuilding the top end after failure or bad ticking starts, or for a high performance street truck.

My question is: does it make sense to replace cam, lifters, rockers, etc. on an otherwise fine 5.7 to avoid future problems? Would this be an effective strategy?

My situation:
- 2012 Sport 5.7 4x4 Crew
- approx 120k miles soon
- 3.92 rear end, 6spd auto, jba shorties, corsa exhaust, s&b intake, hemifever tune on diablosport trinity
- daily(ish) driver in heavy city traffic with expected mild occasional offroading for camping on fire roads, beach, etc.


My logic is that the truck is perfect for me except for two main gripes... the six speed sucks and I wish I had the 8 (can swap when it dies), and I worry the truck will leave me and my family stranded at some point when it eats a cam. I know it's not the majority of hemis that die catastrophically, but when they do, I'd hate for it to be far from home, offroad, or to grenade the rest of the engine with tiny metal shards of death. Putting in an upgraded cam and lifters and associated goodies, doing proper maintenance, maybe I could expect another 100k or so out of this engine and have peace of mind. There's a school of thought that you can just toss another engine in when it fails and that might be cost neutral, but then you don't know what you're getting unless you buy new, in which case it might have the same Achilles heel.

So, do people do this? If so, any recommendations on a trustworthy installer not too far from NoVA? I am probably capable of doing myself, but as the truck is mostly a daily and I'd probably not do as well on my first attempt as an experienced mechanic, I'd likely have someone do it for me. I know it would be expensive, but so is an engine replacement or buying a Tundra or something.
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What makes you think a new cam and lifters would stop hemi tick? It often does not and then dudes are out thousands.

The 6 speed rfe is incredible and buildable, can improve and fix psi and tune shift points. if you want more info let me know, or swap your 8 speed.

Look up redline lubrication strategy, redline 5w30 and royal purple 20-820, look at poll results.
I did exactly that 5W30 Redline Royal Purple Extra Large quiet as a mouse. Had the Hemi tick at 900 miles 2021 5.7. No tick at 2200 miles one year old truck.
 

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I still say that the camshafts that flattened out were made of inferior metal, likely too soft.

many of the Home type engineers say that my theory is wrong, that is OK

Now tell me why when the company that was making the Cams before 2017, did not not get the Contract in 2017 & why there are not many Camshafts flattening since 2017 up to now ?

Is it some kind of miracle ?
 

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One of the theories floating around these days,and it makes more sense then the other theories,and that's the weak valve springs in the 5.7's. The stock springs don't generate enough seat pressure,and therefore allow the lifters to bounce off the cam lobe,and when they smash back down into the lobe,it eventually causes issues with the lifter rollers. Personally it makes more sense then all the other theories combined if you want my opinion,and that's why Redlines moly plating is as successful as it it,as it gives a bit of cushion to the roller and lobe face,to absorb lifter bounce.
Interesting i had not heard this theory. It could also mean the high density basw oils of redline playing a part in that
 

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I still say that the camshafts that flattened out were made of inferior metal, likely too soft.

many of the Home type engineers say that my theory is wrong, that is OK

Now tell me why when the company that was making the Cams before 2017, did not not get the Contract in 2017 & why there are not many Camshafts flattening since 2017 up to now ?

Is it some kind of miracle ?

Are there not many examples of lifter failure, without failure of the cam? So the needle bearings are obviously pooched and it ticks, but the cam lobes are still "good as new"?

If there are such examples, then that would indicate that the lifters fail first, then due to that failure they take out the cam next.

Chicken and egg problem. My understanding is that the lifters always/usually fail first.

FCA also reworked the lifters themselves, around the same year (2016/2017).
 

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Are there not many examples of lifter failure, without failure of the cam? So the needle bearings are obviously pooched and it ticks, but the cam lobes are still "good as new"?

If there are such examples, then that would indicate that the lifters fail first, then due to that failure they take out the cam next.

Chicken and egg problem. My understanding is that the lifters always/usually fail first.

FCA also reworked the lifters themselves, around the same year (2016/2017).
Im sure if caught in time the cam would be fine but thats usually not the case and since its a cast iron cam the lifter will chew that up quicker than a billet steel cam
 
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I should say that my 2012 with 118k that prompted this thread is running very quietly (other than intake and exhaust mods, but I mean top end noise) and I recently put in Pennzoil Plat 5w20 and a Wix 57899XP. It's been very warm lately, usually 80s to 90s throughout the day. My oil pressure at cold start in those temps is around 65 at idle, and drops to just over 30 at idle at operating temp. 40s to 50s at any normal cruising rpm.

I'll still go to Redline next, but thought that was interesting.

At the same time, I've been watching MMX videos and am less intimidated by doing a cam and lifter swap myself someday...

Does MMX actually do installs if your purchase from them? I'm in driving distance.
 

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My 17 1500 5.7L currently has 127,000 miles, no ticks and running strong. I anticipate no problems anytime soon and would never fix something that doesn't need it. Sometimes changing something makes it worse. JMO, I'll keep it a couple of years and get another one.
 

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I have seen 200k mile engines running fine... You could replace them with new lifters for you piece of mind... Ive seen 200k miles with worn push rods... that definately needed refreshed.

Remember these youtube "hemi tick" guys are trying to get a rise out of you to click and watch their BS to MAKE money..

 

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I have seen 200k mile engines running fine... You could replace them with new lifters for you piece of mind... Ive seen 200k miles with worn push rods... that definately needed refreshed.

Remember these youtube "hemi tick" guys are trying to get a rise out of you to click and watch their BS to MAKE money..


How does your personal experience negate those of the others here who have lost engines due to lifter and cam failure? They didn't actually have engine failures? They're all liars and frauds?
 

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I have seen 200k mile engines running fine... You could replace them with new lifters for you piece of mind... Ive seen 200k miles with worn push rods... that definately needed refreshed.

Remember these youtube "hemi tick" guys are trying to get a rise out of you to click and watch their BS to MAKE money..

Don't you think you should of at least linked a build for a Gen4 hemi and not Gen3 lol. Apples to oranges here.
 

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Don't you think you should of at least linked a build for a Gen4 hemi and not Gen3 lol. Apples to oranges here.
Gen 3 is the engine itself . Gen 1 is the old 50's style Hemi's / Gen 2 is the 60's/70's 426 Hemi / Gen 3's are the 03 to present Hemi's. Gen 3 /Gen 4 and Gen 5 trucks all have a Gen 3 Hemi engine in them
 

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Gen 3 is the engine itself . Gen 1 is the old 50's style Hemi's / Gen 2 is the 60's/70's 426 Hemi / Gen 3's are the 03 to present Hemi's. Gen 3 /Gen 4 and Gen 5 trucks all have a Gen 3 Hemi engine in them
Oh ok thats my bad then. So Gen 3 is present then.
 

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Why don't you save your money, with today's economy, drive it till it needs fixing, get with a Lubrication strategy like everyone on here and take the experience of these members more serious, and stop trying to rewrite the Hemi 's downfalls.
 

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How does your personal experience negate those of the others here who have lost engines due to lifter and cam failure? They didn't actually have engine failures? They're all liars and frauds?
When did i say that? But this has been narrowed down to basically bad manufacturing in 2009-2013 maybe some into 14-15... The needle bearings are machined to the micron level... toss in MDS failures on high mileage engines... things hit too hard, things get sloppy, a bit of debris gets into the lifter needle bearing and its toast...
 

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When did i say that? But this has been narrowed down to basically bad manufacturing in 2009-2013 maybe some into 14-15... The needle bearings are machined to the micron level... toss in MDS failures on high mileage engines... things hit too hard, things get sloppy, a bit of debris gets into the lifter needle bearing and its toast...
Tidbit for you the non-mds engines also suffer lifter/cam failures.
 
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