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Ok so the xg2 is tuff to cut and pull apart!
Still pliable and didnt crack or anything. Backing is wire mesh and was able to separate 2 layers without it ripping into little pieces.

If i remember correctly someone emailed them and they said it was 3 layers and indeed synthetic still. Looks quality to me!

That be me.

Now I'm confused. Fram guy said the re-designed Ultra XG Oil Filters had two filtration layers, both synthetic. I'm assuming the outer layer is coarser and the inner layer is finer. He also said they don't use a metal mesh backing inside because the dual layer is stiff enough not to collapse.

The picture shows a metal mesh backing. So, what are we looking at? An old filter?
 

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That be me.

Now I'm confused. Fram guy said the re-designed Ultra XG Oil Filters had two filtration layers, both synthetic. I'm assuming the outer layer is coarser and the inner layer is finer. He also said they don't use a metal mesh backing inside because the dual layer is stiff enough not to collapse.

The picture shows a metal mesh backing. So, what are we looking at? An old filter?

New box with perfect seal or what ever it says lol
Did the old one have an outer wire mesh or inner one like this one i cut open?
 

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New box with perfect seal or what ever it says lol Did the old one have an outer wire mesh or inner one like this one i cut open?
New box with perfect seal or what ever it says lol Did the old one have an outer wire mesh or inner one like this one i cut open?
Yes definitely, i never pulled a paper one apart but have used those cartridge styles on a Toyota and this is definitely not that paper stuff.
Yes definitely, i never pulled a paper one apart but have used those cartridge styles on a Toyota and this is definitely not that paper stuff.
 

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New box with perfect seal or what ever it says lol
Did the old one have an outer wire mesh or inner one like this one i cut open?
New box with perfect seal or what ever it says lol
Did the old one have an outer wire mesh or inner one like this one i cut open?

I recall the old Fram Ultra XG had an inner wire mesh you could seen through the suction hole. Which makes sense because that is the suction side of the media that needed stiffening so it would not collapse. And that is exactly what you show in your picture.

We saw another filter elsewhere that no longer had that wire mesh.
 

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Interesting, maybe this is an old one then! This was changed November of 21, i thought box said perfect seal, maybe i confused that with the one i put on my wifes acura around that time.
Now im all confused lol
Well i will cut open this new one and i double checked this box! Have a 2k round trip in Aug so should come sooner then last change
 
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I have watched a few fram ultras cut apart on youtube. Both the old box that says metal screen backed or whatever it is and the new one that says perfect seal gasket. One of the perfect seal gasket filters had a plastic mesh backing on a dual layered synthetic media. The old ones also had a dual layered synthetic media. Then the most recent one i saw had no metal screen or plastic mesh backing and instead had a synthetic media layer and one that appeared to be cellulose. I am assuming that based on color of the second layer. It would also align with what they put on their website. It says dual layered synthetic blend media. Im sure they had old style filters already made when they changed the packaging/style and I would assume some of the old style filters are likely in the new packaging as its kind of hard to tell the difference since visually the filter itself looks the same and 99% of consumers are not out there looking for the old style filter and theres really no way to know unless you cut it open. Which thats useless when you want to use the filter
 

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Another interesting thing i noticed, the fram titanium on the fram website states "metal screen reinforced synthetic blend media"
 
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It is hard to believe the people who work for at fram are this stupid, but they are. Who in their right mind would title something a synthetic blend knowing the word blend has traditionally meant paper and spun glass? You don't see this foolishness with royal purple filters or amsoil ea filters, you know exactly what it is from day 1. As proven 100 times, their is literally no advantage for paper over spun glass, so I can't even believe there is any reason to have a blend. You cant tell me the effort to actually blend to medias together saves money over spun glass. They should have never done it, m1 and others should have never done it, and when fram realized they shouldnt have done it, they should have retired the term blend. I can understand having 100% paper filters, I'd bet that saves a nickle or whatever, but combo filters? I'd bet the act of combining them would bring it to the same cost as spun glass. Also, filter companies should never use paper colored media if the media is spun glass, if it is synthetic media, it should look synthetic, white or pink or whatever other then yellow paper looking. Looks like fram titanium is still pink, which I do like, but the media on the fram site for ultra is cellulose looking. Sorry, I just don't trust is as much as RP and clearly both have similar performance, so I go with what I trust a little more.
 

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It is hard to believe the people who work for at fram are this stupid, but they are. Who in their right mind would title something a synthetic blend knowing the word blend has traditionally meant paper and spun glass? You don't see this foolishness with royal purple filters or amsoil ea filters, you know exactly what it is from day 1. As proven 100 times, their is literally no advantage for paper over spun glass, so I can't even believe there is any reason to have a blend. You cant tell me the effort to actually blend to medias together saves money over spun glass. They should have never done it, m1 and others should have never done it, and when fram realized they shouldnt have done it, they should have retired the term blend. I can understand having 100% paper filters, I'd bet that saves a nickle or whatever, but combo filters? I'd bet the act of combining them would bring it to the same cost as spun glass. Also, filter companies should never use paper colored media if the media is spun glass, if it is synthetic media, it should look synthetic, white or pink or whatever other then yellow paper looking. Looks like fram titanium is still pink, which I do like, but the media on the fram site for ultra is cellulose looking. Sorry, I just don't trust is as much as RP and clearly both have similar performance, so I go with what I trust a little more.
Exactly! Royal purple filters clearly state on the box 100% spun microglass media! No debate about it! But with fram in one spot they state "synthetic media" then a little further down it says synthetic blend media. Fram had a good thing and ruined it. No reason to stray from royal purple/amsoil/purolator boss, or even wix xp since that one is still fully symthetic.

@HEMIMANN have mobil 1 filters always been a blend? When did they first market a filter?
 

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It is hard to believe the people who work for at fram are this stupid, but they are. Who in their right mind would title something a synthetic blend knowing the word blend has traditionally meant paper and spun glass? You don't see this foolishness with royal purple filters or amsoil ea filters, you know exactly what it is from day 1. As proven 100 times, their is literally no advantage for paper over spun glass, so I can't even believe there is any reason to have a blend. You cant tell me the effort to actually blend to medias together saves money over spun glass. They should have never done it, m1 and others should have never done it, and when fram realized they shouldnt have done it, they should have retired the term blend. I can understand having 100% paper filters, I'd bet that saves a nickle or whatever, but combo filters? I'd bet the act of combining them would bring it to the same cost as spun glass. Also, filter companies should never use paper colored media if the media is spun glass, if it is synthetic media, it should look synthetic, white or pink or whatever other then yellow paper looking. Looks like fram titanium is still pink, which I do like, but the media on the fram site for ultra is cellulose looking. Sorry, I just don't trust is as much as RP and clearly both have similar performance, so I go with what I trust a little more.

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Exactly! Royal purple filters clearly state on the box 100% spun microglass media! No debate about it! But with fram in one spot they state "synthetic media" then a little further down it says synthetic blend media. Fram had a good thing and ruined it. No reason to stray from royal purple/amsoil/purolator boss, or even wix xp since that one is still fully symthetic.

@HEMIMANN have mobil 1 filters always been a blend? When did they first market a filter?

Don't know who makes Mobil 1 Oil Filters. Thought it was Champion Labs?

I was teasing Burla because I ranted politely back at the Fram Rep. the language they used was very misleading. The Rep. said they use two synthetic layers - not a blended single layer. Yet they say synthetic blend. What they meant is the media is a blend of two different synthetic layers. I have it from them in writing. Marketing Department FAIL. I lost track at what holding corporation owns them now. Pretty soon one gigantic, global corporate entity will own everything. Like Monty Python's Meaning of Life.
 

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Don't know who makes Mobil 1 Oil Filters. Thought it was Champion Labs?

I was teasing Burla because I ranted politely back at the Fram Rep. the language they used was very misleading. The Rep. said they use two synthetic layers - not a blended single layer. Yet they say synthetic blend. What they meant is the media is a blend of two different synthetic layers. I have it from them in writing. Marketing Department FAIL. I lost track at what holding corporation owns them now. Pretty soon one gigantic, global corporate entity will own everything. Like Monty Python's Meaning of Life.
Mann hummel makes mobil 1 filters now
 

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Made a discovery... wix xp 51372 is identicle on size as the 57899xp however, higher bypass setting and higher flow rating. I did some digging and found this filter has a 22 psi bypass setting and flows 11-13 gpm while the 57899xp has a 16 psi bypass and flows 9-11 gpm...
 

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Made a discovery... wix xp 51372 is identicle on size as the 57899xp however, higher bypass setting and higher flow rating. I did some digging and found this filter has a 22 psi bypass setting and flows 11-13 gpm while the 57899xp has a 16 psi bypass and flows 9-11 gpm...
Wix are rock catchers. Poor efficiency. Recall Burla's test comparison.
 
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Who makes the srt filter filter anyone know?

answers your question travis in a round about way.

Answers my question too )

The SRT engineers worked with many of the filter suppliers to get the best features. Some fell out for various performance reasons but they ended up developing the current SRT filters with Wix, a mainstream manufacturer.
 
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Sorry for all the people I pi ss ed off with that one, but please dont shoot the messenger.

I was saying, hmm that pic travis posted looked like some of those srt filters, lol. yup. Must not be xp though, I still think we have some examples of srt = blended filters.
 
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white ones as well...

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