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The Hemi Tick is not a big deal IMO. The lifter/cam failure is. GM has the exact problem with their V-8's. Ford has Canister failure on turbos. Toyota Tundra has issues with starter which is hell to get too. The Titan has a rock solid motor, just ugly as hell. I love my 2019 5th Gen Laramie, hope they have addressed the issues. We shall see.
The GM failures were limited to the cylinder cut-off feature...Those were not standard lifters. The Hemi issue is (I believe) a lack of lubrication inherent to the design. That's my $.02, it's worth what ya paid for it. :)
 
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Back in the day, you tuned up your vehicle every 20,000 miles or so. Fluids were changed at set intervals. With the advent of fuel injection and computerization, these things have been pushed out a bit. Spark plug swaps at 100,000 miles are common. Not changing fluids until they reach a certain color (Dealerships). It seems while we’re living in what appears to be a “disposable” world, automobiles are lasting longer and longer. Especially with advancements in lubrication products. The key, of course, is maintenance!

Just my two cents!

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Agree. Oil technology is better, spark plug technology is better, engines run cleaner hence longer mechanical wear.....
 
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I will add that I purchased a new 2003 Dodge Truck, 1/2 ton reg cab short bed (sport truck) with the 5.7 Hemi option, otherwise it was stripped. Brandy new, that sumbitch would pass anything but a gas pump. No variable cam timing, no gas mileage crappola...Just pure power. And....it ticked, from 10K miles....Had it looked at by two dealers, tech verified it was noisy, all i ever got for an answer is "It's normal". Sold it when it came out of warranty for mileage because I was scared of that ever louder tick. I won't talk about the Ford I blew to smitherines that followed that Dodge...That's a whole nother story
 

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I think in before the mid 1970s
This statement was True.
carbureted engines Points and condenser’s, low Low quality Oil,
Gasoline poor Grades low octanes,
Poorly production engineering.
So on, ??? safe ????.
 

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I have seen both ends of the spectrum. Growing up I drove big old trucks with my dad back in Poland. They had 11.1L (677 cu in) 6-cylinder engines making a whooping 202 hp when new, pulling a total weight of 30T through the mountains. They were floored 90% of the time, crawling up hills or just chugging along a local highway. Full engine rebuild every 50k miles, valve adjustment every other oil change.

I ride sport bikes and they need chain adjustment every few hundred miles, new tires every 3-5k miles, valve adjustment every 15-20k miles (unless you spend the big bucks on a modern one...), engine rebuild after 50k miles for sure, if you run it hard.

But then I also have a little 2008 Honda Fit, with 130k miles on it. I adjusted valves at 80k miles and soon after replaced the spark plugs and coil packs, just in case. Other than that it's just fluid changes. Nothing ever broke and I floor that little thing most of the time.
My wife drives a 2004 Hyundai Elantra. It has 220k miles on it and at around 160k miles I preemptively replaced the spark plugs and coil packs. Again: that car gets floored a lot.
And then there is my V10 RAM made in 2000: 145k miles on it and as far as I know (I'm the 3rd owner) it hasn't had any engine issues. The only thing I can tell is a little off is that when the transmission shifts up from the 2nd gear, it goes into 3rd for just a second and goes straight to 4th most of the time. Only sometimes it would actually stay in 3rd until it shifts to 4th (or down to 2nd) as one would expect. Not sure how easy/hard (cheap/expensive) it would be to fix. For now it's fine with me.

Nothing lasts forever, but with proper maintenance, modern equipment should last pretty long. By maintenance I mean not only replacing fluids but also adjusting/replacing components as specified by the manufacturer. Too often I see people following the "regular" schedule, ignoring the fact that a lot of the use cases are considered heavy duty use, e.g. a lot of stop-and-go traffic, high speed driving, carrying a lot of cargo, driving through mountainous areas, pulling a trailer etc. These tend to shorten the maintenance intervals of various parts and fluids.
 

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Yes, but, no more 10 or 15 min in and out fuel stops either. How long will you have to wait at stops while the electric truck charges? Will you be able to get in and out of charge stations with the trailer hooked up ? I think the answers as of today would be a long time an no...disconnect trailer to charge?

All this will probably change over time.

On the other hand I'm retired and will mostly be using the new Ram 2500 6.4 to tow the travel trailer in summer and snowmobile trailer in winter. So at around 10K miles a year, if it goes 150K, that would take me 15 years. By then, maybe an electric truck could be practical for my purposes.
It doesn't matter because all the mining companies are saying that there isn't enough lithium in the world to make all the batteries they want and if all the nickel and lithium is mined it will completely destroy the surface of the earth.
 

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It doesn't matter because all the mining companies are saying that there isn't enough lithium in the world to make all the batteries they want and if all the nickel and lithium is mined it will completely destroy the surface of the earth.
Finally a answer that everyone is closing their eyes to , or just to stupid to think of, like some numskull in Daughter's city thinks just bikes down town, I stopped going downtown 20 yrs a go in that place
Back back to topic, O have never had a issue with a Mopar motor, computor in the 1980's, Had to do head gasket on a old Toyota I bought to haul tools, but it had 300th on it 49 Fargo , values where done. Never had a hemi tick, though I never got over 100km on any.
 

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The GM failures were limited to the cylinder cut-off feature...Those were not standard lifters. The Hemi issue is (I believe) a lack of lubrication inherent to the design. That's my $.02, it's worth what ya paid for it. :)
I talk to the GM mechanics and they tell me the v-8's are coming in with lifter/cam failure. A Tahoe last week with only 60k miles on it. If it's a lack of lubrication GM has the same problem.
 

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I talk to the GM mechanics and they tell me the v-8's are coming in with lifter/cam failure. A Tahoe last week with only 60k miles on it. If it's a lack of lubrication GM has the same problem.
for GM The lifter issues in the older AFM trucks were different. Seems their newer GM LS Motors(2021 specifically) has a separate issue and lots of failures coming in the 4 digit mileage range, was due to bad batch of liters. Where the older GM trucks the failures were typically in the 50k-100k. The older issue was due to subpar liters and lower oil pressure causing failure. But it was determined specifically what the issue was in both cases where as for the Hemi it really has not been pinpointed to a specific single thing causing the failures.
 

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I'm not quite that jaded, yet. The manual says many things that are intended to help you extend the life of your truck. "Don't do this, damage may occur". "Only use soft cleaning solutions on this dash" or whatever yada yada.

Point is, they're not intentionally writing the manual to deceive us and kill our trucks prematurely.

It just so happens that there is a manufacturing flaw with an individual lifter, and some oils are better at preventing (cleaning off varnish/gunk) this damage, or extending the life of the lifter if the damage has already started (moly etc).

I am left scratching my head on the transmission oil change interval though. I have no words to explain why a third party like FCA would overrule the recomendation from the manufacturer (ZF) itself when they clearly tell us to change the oil every so often. No doubt some of you will use this as proof that they want to screw us over into a newer truck but I don't think so. Reputation also matters, even to FCA.
FCA looks at the fact that *most* vehicle owners no longer want to ride a car "until the wheels fall off". They often lease a car, so 1-3 years, and just spend enough to get through the lease period, or even if they "buy" the car, basically as soon as they are no longer "upside down", they trade in for something newer. (my sister had an Ex like this). So FCA probably expects you to take it back to the dealer, and the dealer should then do a tranny flush before they sell as a cert. preown (guessing on the flush). Then FCA can keep their "cost of ownership" numbers down, and the second+ owner(s) just assume the original owner was an ass.

My dad trades one of the 2 cars (him and mom) every 4 years, so a car makes 8 years, then gets traded in. My '18 is my second car. My first was an '09 civic, which... I drove like an ass. tranny started acting up at 67k, and I followed the maintenance as prescribed. (before the 10k oil BS) My ram is at about 67k, and I don't even think I have the Hemi Tick yet. But I plan to drive it until it won't.

Then again, my family thinks I'm missing a few bolts because I want Grandad's '66 mustang... Which hasn't moved since '81... "You can trade the rust and $10k for a already restored one" (Who did the resto, and why are they trying to sell it for $16k...)
 

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I talk to the GM mechanics and they tell me the v-8's are coming in with lifter/cam failure. A Tahoe last week with only 60k miles on it. If it's a lack of lubrication GM has the same problem.
Buddy used to be a service tech at a GM dealer near the beach, told me the '21 GM V6/V8 were getting NEW ENGINES at like 6k (I don't remember exactly which engine), and GM just said swap, and ship us the "blown" engine. They couldn't diag enough to really tell WHAT ate the engine, but he thinks it was cam/lifter. Coworker had just bought a Sierra early last year, and I told my buddy, and he told me to tell my coworker to take that POS back, until I told him it was a diesel.
 
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