What in 2023 is going to be interesting? Going to need a new truck.

ramffml said:

The Colorado is a refresh-redesign, not ground up. I believe they are using the same frame and platform, but lots of exterior, interior, and drivetrain changes.

I don't think we can expect much in terms of changes in size. We'll see! I'm looking forward to the release, they've been teasing this thing out for so many years now.

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So it's sort of between a midcycle refresh and a full redesign from what I understand. The platform is "heavily modified" to a new version, whatever that will entail. The 2.7L from the full size is widely expected to be the only motor available. I fully expect the Ranger Raptor to be the better of the two and the Ram Dakota to continue to be nothing but rumor and hopeful wishes.

Docwagon1776 said:

I've never owned a Ford 1/2 ton and I don't think I'd even ridden in one since the late 90s. I test drove a Tremor and a couple different year Raptors. Tremor was pretty nice, and this coming model year you can spec it with the 5.0 as well as the 3.5EB. That 3.5EB feels very quick, not sure if I'd stick with it or go with the Coyote.

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Coyote all day for longevity. The 3.5L sucks down fuel when towing anything, the turbos are nearly always loaded up, gets worse loaded gas mileage that the 5.0 when carrying heavy stuff or towing trailers. If you drive mostly unladen, the 3.5L is sweet, but budget for an extended warranty because they are $$$ to fix.

Does anyone actually know the 2023 Ram 1500 release/order date? I saw a sheet that said July 2022 but haven't seen anything yet.

2023 pickup trucks of all brands aim to be on display at the Texas State Fair
Rams DT models should be there
It is coming up in 64 days

Chevy just released details on trims, engine choices etc.

ramffml said:

Chevy just released details on trims, engine choices etc.

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I read a few articles on it, everyone has the same info and photos so I think everyone is reading off the same press release.

The Ranger Raptor being the obvious competition, my take:

Raptor wins on power/drivetrain, being up a bit over 80hp over the ZR2 and having a 10 speed vs 8 speed. 3.0 turbo has a ton of aftermarket support thanks to the Explorer ST and the transmission will take it. Big power for little $ and the willingness to run 93. It makes my nethers a little tingly just thinking about it. Chevy starts in the hole.

ZR2 infotainment wins, Google is almost certainly going to be better than Sync. I haven't used Sync 4, Sync 3 is not that great, IMO.

ZR2 with 10 camera angles including an underbelly camera? That's sweet for someone without a spotter.

Aesthetics are personal, I like aspects of each and find both interiors livable and exteriors interesting.

I want to know what headlights are in the Chevy. Ford is using dynamic bending, will Chevy match? Will the ZR2 have exhaust modes like the Ford and like Chevy's own Camaro?

Where did Chevy mount the turbo's intercooler? Is it easy to add a winch without relocation?

Any option for sunroof and/or rear window slider for air flow?

Docwagon1776 said:

I read a few articles on it, everyone has the same info and photos so I think everyone is reading off the same press release.

The Ranger Raptor being the obvious competition, my take:

Raptor wins on power/drivetrain, being up a bit over 80hp over the ZR2 and having a 10 speed vs 8 speed. 3.0 turbo has a ton of aftermarket support thanks to the Explorer ST and the transmission will take it. Big power for little $ and the willingness to run 93. It makes my nethers a little tingly just thinking about it. Chevy starts in the hole.

ZR2 infotainment wins, Google is almost certainly going to be better than Sync. I haven't used Sync 4, Sync 3 is not that great, IMO.

ZR2 with 10 camera angles including an underbelly camera? That's sweet for someone without a spotter.

Aesthetics are personal, I like aspects of each and find both interiors livable and exteriors interesting.

I want to know what headlights are in the Chevy. Ford is using dynamic bending, will Chevy match? Will the ZR2 have exhaust modes like the Ford and like Chevy's own Camaro?

Where did Chevy mount the turbo's intercooler? Is it easy to add a winch without relocation?

Any option for sunroof and/or rear window slider for air flow?

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Yep, I guess you and I are looking at it from different use cases, the v6 Raptor will definitely outperform it in terms of 0 to 60.

I'm more interested in the street level trims, LT + Z71, my truck does go offroad, but it doesn't "offroad" if you know what I mean. The Raptor/trailboss/ZR2/Rebel etc are of no interest to me as I'm looking for a good highway cruiser, something that can fit me comfortably, get good power and MPG, and also have decent towing.

The Z71 looks like it could fit that bill for me but that depends on price and MPG. Already owning a truck which I can eek out decent MPG, the Z71 would have to be quite a bit better in order for me to consider a trade.

But if I needed to purchase a new truck in a year and for some reason the Ranger and Colorado were the only 2 options, I think I'd lean with the Chevy. Never been a Ford guy but that is definitely getting into subjective territory.

And by the time this truck comes out in the first half of next year, well the updated Ram will be either out or just around the corner with the hurricane engine choices. I mean if I'm willing to drive a chevy turbo then theoretically I should be willing to drive a Ram turbo and the hurricane/Ram would pretty much beat the Colorado on every feature/criteria that matters to me except purchase cost.

Got to love choices!

I think they missed the boat here (from my perspective, no doubt it will sell well). The main attraction to the current colorado (actually the canyon in my case) was that little duramax diesel and the 30+ mpg guys were getting with it. If that's no longer on the table, I just don't see the point. The new 2.7 turbo will beat it on performance, but not MPG. I suspect at best the new colorado gets rated at 25 or so. The current diesel is rated at 30, and I know with my grandpa driving style I'd beat 30 without too much effort.

ramffml said:

I think they missed the boat here (from my perspective, no doubt it will sell well). The main attraction to the current colorado (actually the canyon in my case) was that little duramax diesel and the 30+ mpg guys were getting with it. If that's no longer on the table, I just don't see the point. The new 2.7 turbo will beat it on performance, but not MPG. I suspect at best the new colorado gets rated at 25 or so. The current diesel is rated at 30, and I know with my grandpa driving style I'd beat 30 without too much effort.

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Maybe it'll get the 3.0 diesel at some point. I suspect sales numbers do not reflect it being the main attraction for most buyers, but I could be wrong.

There'd have to be some shenanigans for it to be rated at 25mpg and I wouldn't believe it. Especially not in the 4wd version. It's rated at 20mpg in the full size 4wd and doesn't actually do that at real world highway driving if you believe Car & Driver: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a25953794/chevrolet-silverado-four-cylinder-fuel-economy-test/

Docwagon1776 said:

Maybe it'll get the 3.0 diesel at some point. I suspect sales numbers do not reflect it being the main attraction for most buyers, but I could be wrong.

There'd have to be some shenanigans for it to be rated at 25mpg and I wouldn't believe it. Especially not in the 4wd version. It's rated at 20mpg in the full size 4wd and doesn't actually do that at real world highway driving if you believe Car & Driver: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a25953794/chevrolet-silverado-four-cylinder-fuel-economy-test/

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The 3.0 is an inline 6 and is quite long, it probably won't fit unfortunately. They had trouble squeezing it in the suburban.

ramffml said:

The 3.0 is an inline 6 and is quite long, it probably won't fit unfortunately. They had trouble squeezing it in the suburban.

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I don't follow GM that much and had no idea it was that long. I guess in my head I was thinking an inline 4. Or just wasn't thinking.

Oh, and this is unlikely but it'd be pretty cool if it got the HUD from the Denali. I'm a total sucker for a HUD ever since the Corvette. My Camaro has one, not pretty multi-color like the Denali, but it's something I really enjoy having.

More info and photos, which do show a sunroof and rear sliding window options. There's a small cubby for storage built into the inside of the tailgate. GM is definitely stepping up their interiors, at least the aesthetics. Hopefully build quality as well and it's not a rattletrap.

On the Ford side, 2023 F150 production likely to start late October.

I've seen zero info from any credible source on a midcycle refresh for Ram for the next model year.

turkeybird56 said:

Well, they got that new Ford Maverick truck out, mid to high 20's, LOL.
New Maverick: 28,900 K LINK works, just click on it

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New Ranger: 41K:

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JUST showing some lower priced alternatives.,.

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I saw a Maverick on the road recently and that thing looks tiny.

Rayzaa said:

I saw a Maverick on the road recently and that thing looks tiny.

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Just trying to put out alternative options.

turkeybird56 said:

Just trying to put out alternative options.

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I know, I'm just telling what I saw. I was surprised it looked so small.

Rayzaa said:

I know, I'm just telling what I saw. I was surprised it looked so small.

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It looks small because everything else got so big. It's slightly bigger than a 1990's Ranger. Today's Ranger has the same footprint as a 70's full size truck.

Park a 1st to 4th gen Corvette next to a current generation Corvette or Camaro, or a 1st gen Mustang next to a current generation. Miatas to F-350s and almost everything in between is bigger than their predecessors, with the exception being the demise of the land barge sedan.

Docwagon1776 said:

Oh, and this is unlikely but it'd be pretty cool if it got the HUD from the Denali. I'm a total sucker for a HUD ever since the Corvette. My Camaro has one, not pretty multi-color like the Denali, but it's something I really enjoy having.

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Bothers me that the HUD on the GMs is packaged with the rearview camera mirror, which I don't want. It has a reverse camera anyways so why do I want another camera that I can't see out of if I go down a dusty,mucky or snowy road. I've actually had a truck with a reverse camera for the last 12 years and still prefer to use the mirrors. The current GMS aren't shipping with park sensors or brake assist so I'm actually considering buying one before the chip shortage is over since they'll become standard after that.

BWL said:

Bothers me that the HUD on the GMs is packaged with the rearview camera mirror, which I don't want. It has a reverse camera anyways so why do I want another camera that I can't see out of if I go down a dusty,mucky or snowy road. I've actually had a truck with a reverse camera for the last 12 years and still prefer to use the mirrors. The current GMS aren't shipping with park sensors or brake assist so I'm actually considering buying one before the chip shortage is over since they'll become standard after that.

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Do you know if GM's transfer case actually locks or is just friction clutches even when "locked"? From GM's description it looks like clutches, but I don't know if they have the same overheating/slipping issue Ram's 4auto transfer case has in hard use situations. I think only the ZR2 gets selectable lockers, with the Trail Boss and others only getting the Eaton locker, even in the rear. I'd rather have the option to lock before things start breaking loose. No optional larger gas tank for extended range, either. Lots of little things add up to keep GM out of the running for me. A ZR2 with an extended tank and a price that was more in line with a Tremor or Rebel and then maybe.

Docwagon1776 said:

Do you know if GM's transfer case actually locks or is just friction clutches even when "locked"? From GM's description it looks like clutches, but I don't know if they have the same overheating/slipping issue Ram's 4auto transfer case has in hard use situations. I think only the ZR2 gets selectable lockers, with the Trail Boss and others only getting the Eaton locker, even in the rear. I'd rather have the option to lock before things start breaking loose. No optional larger gas tank for extended range, either. Lots of little things add up to keep GM out of the running for me. A ZR2 with an extended tank and a price that was more in line with a Tremor or Rebel and then maybe.

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If it has 4 auto then it's a clutch style. They do seem to work better though. That may just be how they programmed it. Don't know if it's more durable or not. I don't think the 6.2 is any worse on fuel than the hemi. Especially now paired with the 10spd.