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I had a hard decision to make on the oiler' (diesel) last month. I bought a gaser.Well that changes things a bit then. I've always thought, north of 10k your in Cummins territory. With the new 8 speed trans and 4.10s you'd still be fine though, but your borderline. If you don't tow much though and dont put on many total miles each year, I'd still go 6.4 hemi.
I had a hard decision to make on the oiler' (diesel) last month. I bought a gaser.
I've had oiler's for 20 years. The only one I was ever impressed with (okay, maybe not impressed, but slightly satisfied with) was the Ford 7.3. Since then I've had another Ford, Chevy's, GMC, Ram. None of them performed as I expected. I must have way higher expectations than most people. Now, I did not add a programmer, so that's a huge thing. All my friends who did, blew their tranny within a year. All of them. 3/4 ton, 1 ton. You name it. Most people must be lying, because I've never had an oiler I liked. They ride like crap when not loaded. So made the decision to get a 2020 Ram Limited. Holy crap. It's a Cadillac that can tow. Yes. It sort of sucks towing, and that's the thing. I only tow 5% of the time now. So 95% of the time I'm driving a comfortable truck. That's a big deal.
So let me say. If that changed, and I towed 10,000 + miles per year, then I am afraid I'd be stuck with an oiler again. And who knows, maybe that will happen in the future. Let me also say, I am not super impressed with the Hemi. It's pretty good, but not life-changing. The 8 speed is the game changer. Here's to hoping it has all the bugs worked out.
From your sig, it looks like you must have a 1500. Why would a gas 1500 be more comfortable than a diesel 1500??? Also, when you are talking about 2500's the ride pretty much sucks when unloaded regardless of engine. I went from a 21 GMC 1500 with 6.2 to a 22 Ram 2500 6.4/8Sp/410 because I decided I needed an HD truck for the new travel trailer. But I'm not kidding myself about the ride...no where close to the GMC 1500 (or Ram 1500's I've ridden in) as far as ride quality.I had a hard decision to make on the oiler' (diesel) last month. I bought a gaser.
.... They ride like crap when not loaded. So made the decision to get a 2020 Ram Limited. Holy crap. It's a Cadillac that can tow. Yes. It sort of sucks towing, and that's the thing. I only tow 5% of the time now. So 95% of the time I'm driving a comfortable truck. That's a big deal...
Because you've never had one you liked, the rest of us are lying? Really? Wow.I had a hard decision to make on the oiler' (diesel) last month. I bought a gaser.
I've had oiler's for 20 years. The only one I was ever impressed with (okay, maybe not impressed, but slightly satisfied with) was the Ford 7.3. Since then I've had another Ford, Chevy's, GMC, Ram. None of them performed as I expected. I must have way higher expectations than most people. Now, I did not add a programmer, so that's a huge thing. All my friends who did, blew their tranny within a year. All of them. 3/4 ton, 1 ton. You name it. Most people must be lying, because I've never had an oiler I liked. They ride like crap when not loaded. So made the decision to get a 2020 Ram Limited. Holy crap. It's a Cadillac that can tow. Yes. It sort of sucks towing, and that's the thing. I only tow 5% of the time now. So 95% of the time I'm driving a comfortable truck. That's a big deal.
So let me say. If that changed, and I towed 10,000 + miles per year, then I am afraid I'd be stuck with an oiler again. And who knows, maybe that will happen in the future. Let me also say, I am not super impressed with the Hemi. It's pretty good, but not life-changing. The 8 speed is the game changer. Here's to hoping it has all the bugs worked out.
Have any links to that info? I'd be curious to see the math. Thanks.Book value is not Life Cycle Cost Analysis - it is a single cost factor. Again - those who have gone through the entire exercise report the payback for diesel is beyond 200,000 miles today. The hard data is not fan boy based.
I've always like diesels. Still have one in my tractor. And I'd never buy one again in a truck.
Have any links to that info? I'd be curious to see the math. Thanks.
I'd think it would turn out that way for most, which is why I want to see the math Hemimann is talking about.My real world data based off of hand calculating every tank on my hemi 2500 and my diesel 2500 that right now with 120K on the diesel I have recouped $7k of my $9k diesel option vs what my hemi was costing me to operate. That is fuel, fluids and filters factored in on both. Also that was calculated using the cheap 87 octane gas pricing (in my area), if you are running 89-91 it will be even more pay off for the diesel. The remaining $2k I will get back ++ in resale value. So win win for me to be in a diesel.
This is daily driving, a little towing, grocery getter all of the above.
I did not say everyone, just most people. Nothing personal. I'm un-impressed by many things. Maybe I am just unreasonable. I would be very happy with my current vehicle if it sold for half the price. Maybe that's it. **** costs way more than it is worth. Trucks cost twice as much, sometimes 3 times as much as they are worth. My Opinion.Because you've never had one you liked, the rest of us are lying? Really? Wow.
Have any links to that info? I'd be curious to see the math. Thanks.
Since you are the one to claim this data/math exists, I'll leave it to you to post a link to it. The only posts I've seen doing the math on this have had big errors, like not considering the increased trade in value.Search the forum - there was a big long discussion on it. Somebody did ALL the math. took up an entire screen. I'm just encouraging you to be thorough and not cherry pick data you want to convince yourself. If that's what you want, fine - but don't come in and try to convince others with your cherry picked data. We won't agree.
I like diesels too. There's nothing personal about this.