2007 1500 - 5.7 to 6.4 swap

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wildchilds74

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My truck, nothing special, but I don't want to spend 90k on a new truck. I bought it new, I've been a tech at a dealership for longer then I've had the truck. I have never been happy with the power level, It got worse after putting 35s on it. I have 2 easily rebuildable 6.4 cores. I understand the 545RFE won't like an extra 200hp, that is another issue.
I know the tone wheel on the crank and the cam are both different from my 5.7. I understand the cam phaser can be blocked off, but I have not found where to get that. Can the 2007 cam gear be installed onto the newer cam? My timing cover will not fit over the oil pump or the phaser for the cam. What about pulling the PCM from a 2500 with a VVT hemi and a 66RFE? If I can figure out the swap for a 66RFE and 2012 and up PCM to go with it, that would solve the crappy 545RFE issue at the same time and would be able to keep a column shifter as opposed to the electronic shifter on the 8 speed.
The idea is to have everything ready before taking my truck apart, it's not my daily but also don't want it down for months while building the 5.7. It runs fine now, just gutless.
 

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A simple Google search will find you a phaser lock. No the pre-eagle cam gear cannot be bolted to a VVT cam. Hopefully you are willing to pony up to rearrange your accessory drive because even the truck 6.4 setup is very different that the 03-08 setup. What might work in that vein (and for the engine) is get stuff (accessories, harness, hoses, PCM, etc) from a 2009 2500 5.7; factory installed VVT engine in a late 3rd gen body. You'll wanna either use the truck 5.7 or truck 6.4 intake manifold, as the car version points the wrong way. Car 6.4 and truck 5.7 manifolds are quite similar:

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Truck 6.4 intake is taller and has been touted as an upgrade for eagle 5.7's in trucks. It has an EGR port that would need to be blocked off:

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A simple Google search will find you a phaser lock. No the pre-eagle cam gear cannot be bolted to a VVT cam. Hopefully you are willing to pony up to rearrange your accessory drive because even the truck 6.4 setup is very different that the 03-08 setup. What might work in that vein (and for the engine) is get stuff (accessories, harness, hoses, PCM, etc) from a 2009 2500 5.7; factory installed VVT engine in a late 3rd gen body. You'll wanna either use the truck 5.7 or truck 6.4 intake manifold, as the car version points the wrong way. Car 6.4 and truck 5.7 manifolds are quite similar:

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Truck 6.4 intake is taller and has been touted as an upgrade for eagle 5.7's in trucks. It has an EGR port that would need to be blocked off:

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I have a 6.4 intake, nothing in it. I think it's from a car though. it does point to the drivers side.
What about switching to the newer PCM out of a 2500 with a 66RFE. I would think that will work better. I'll need a harness and a trans and change my trans mount. But that PCM would be able to run the variable cam and the variable intake.
The other option, is check with Holley on their PCM to run it as is.
 

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Depends on how new, right around 2015 CAN bus was changed/upgraded again from the 2011 change. Wouldn't need to change your trans mount for a 66RFE; RFE is an RFE. I just don't think the PCM will work in your 2 generations previous CAN bus network. Even if it fires the engine, better than even possibility that nothing else will work correctly. If that doesn't matter to you, then go for it lol. Holley will run in a PCI bus setup and even run the gauges properly (there's a 2004 quad cab in Canadia running a 6.1 stroker with an 8HP70 and the Holley) but I have doubts about it running (interfacing with all the other modules, etc) properly in a newer CAN setup.
 

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What about swapping one of your 6.4 cores to someone with the 5.7 and building that? Seems like you will be spending a lot of money on "logistics" to make the 6.4 work that you could spend on power adds to the 5.7. Might be reasonable compromise.
 
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I'm thinking, the Holley is going to be the way to go. Simple and gets it back up and running faster. The trans is tomorrows problem. Any recommendation on torque converter?
 

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Stock since you're gonna blow that trans in short order unless you baby it lol. Otherwise I had a Circle D 2800, that or Edge is fine.
 
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Talked to Holley, may have issues with communication to the bcm and other modules.
Molnar Rods make the 3 different crankshaft tonewheels for the different years of pcm. Haven't been able to find the answer for the cam vvt or the tonewheel on the cam gear.
 
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