RP 20-820 are gone, what do I do now?

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I guess I’ve had good luck with the Wix, I haven’t had anything bad happen that I know of…lol.

But I dunno, I did a little bit of reading and now all the sudden the RP 10-48 seems like a better choice.
If you have done a good amount of reading in the oil filter thread you will see the results of the wix is subpar unless you like only filtering out rocks. Sure it may have good flow but at a cost. I think it’s page 93 you should really study as far as results go.
 

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I guess I’ve had good luck with the Wix, I haven’t had anything bad happen that I know of…lol.

But I dunno, I did a little bit of reading and now all the sudden the RP 10-48 seems like a better choice.
The conclusion of the 5000 page oil filter thread is really your top three choices for an oil filter for these 3rd gen hemis is a RP 20-820, RP 20-500, or fram XG2. Everything else is a distance whatever lol.
 

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If you have done a good amount of reading in the oil filter thread you will see the results of the wix is subpar unless you like only filtering out rocks. Sure it may have good flow but at a cost. I think it’s page 93 you should really study as far as results go.
I’ll take your word for it. That’s why for my next oil change, I’m looking at different options.
 

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The conclusion of the 5000 page oil filter thread is really your top three choices for an oil filter for these 3rd gen hemis is a RP 20-820, RP 20-500, or fram XG2. Everything else is a distance whatever lol.
Well, even though those that I’ve mentioned are a distant “whatever”, somebody could use their expertise and point me in the right direction for us warranty guys- the ones that still don’t want to be a statistic but either way, after the reading I’ve done today, I think I’m just gonna return the XG10060 and go by Oreiley’s to get the RP 10-48 even if it is dang near 20 bucks which, should say something about it. Hopefully there’s a reason why it’s that much which is twice as much as the Fram I have that I bought yesterday.
 

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I've used the XG10060 with no problems, also used the XG10575 once as well. Just tried the XG2. All seem to function properly.

The XG10575 is longer that the XG10060. The XG2 is a larger can size. I don't remember the differences in filter media surface area, but the XG10575 and XG2 obviously have a larger surface area.

Additionally, it is possible to get a bad filter. Rare, but possible.
 

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Well, even though those that I’ve mentioned are a distant “whatever”, somebody could use their expertise and point me in the right direction for us warranty guys- the ones that still don’t want to be a statistic but either way, after the reading I’ve done today, I think I’m just gonna return the XG10060 and go by Oreiley’s to get the RP 10-48 even if it is dang near 20 bucks which, should say something about it. Hopefully there’s a reason why it’s that much which is twice as much as the Fram I have that I bought yesterday.
Bro at this point it’s obvious you are stuck with what your going to do. You have the info as far as what is best, what is under warranty. Run what you feel will keep you in warranty. Just make sure the fram will keep you in “warranty” as that is what you want to run.

You can wait for word of mouth but your best option would be to call your local dealership and ask what would work for a warranty filter and what would not and go from there. My bet is they are going to say mopar filter. Run that while in warranty
 

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Bro at this point it’s obvious you are stuck with what your going to do. You have the info as far as what is best, what is under warranty. Run what you feel will keep you in warranty. Just make sure the fram will keep you in “warranty” as that is what you want to run.

You can wait for word of mouth but your best option would be to call your local dealership and ask what would work for a warranty filter and what would not and go from there. My bet is they are going to say mopar filter. Run that while in warranty
I returned the Fram and I got me a RP 10-48 so I guess we'll see. I saw that there were a lot of recommendations for that so that's a good thing.

And of course the Dodge house is gonna say Mopar...lol. Just like how with ford its Motorcraft and GM is AC Delco.
 

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I wonder if Amsoil no longer recommend its EA filter do to the fact its 20 microns thus it will get full faster in a dirty engine compared to the standard 35 micron cellulose Mopar oil filters... I was surprised to find out that Amsoil EA oil filters are no longer rated at 15 microns like they use to be years ago like the older Donaldson ELF filters....
 

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I wonder if Amsoil no longer recommend its EA filter do to the fact its 20 microns thus it will get full faster in a dirty engine compared to the standard 35 micron cellulose Mopar oil filters... I was surprised to find out that Amsoil EA oil filters are no longer rated at 15 microns like they use to be years ago like the older Donaldson ELF filters....
Could be. That P1524 engine code is for oil pressure out of range, camshaft advance, retard disable. Supposedly if the oil pressure gets too low, it won't let the MDS work or something.

I try to keep tabs at my oil pressure but now that I know these small filters can plug up quicker- which is strange because the small filters is all I've ever used. I used the Mopar OE for the first two oil changes and after that, its always been the Wix XP except for two oil changes ago when I ran the Amsoil SS 5w20, that was with that very oil same filter, the EA15K50. Not to mention that because I do a lot of short trips to and from work, my wear metals has been a little high.
 

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I have looked into the Magnussen Moss act and I know it protects us from certain things which makes them prove that said part or mod was the culprit of said repair but I guess I’m just looking at from the perspective that if it says in the contract to use genuine OE parts or genuine OE-spec’ed aftermarket parts then they could use it against me being that I deviated away from that and not only that, does the Magnussen Moss act protect against other purchased warranties besides the factory warranty? I’m still under my factory warranty for the power train but come Christmas, that’ll be the last of all my factory warranty and it’s Mopar MVP lifetime after that.

And no, I am most certainly not contesting any of the info here and I understand what’s been told to me. It’s just that you all- and I mean absolutely no disrespect when I say this but you all have one-track minds that doesn’t have to worry about complying with a warranty and you guys are free to do whatever you want and if whatever that is doesn’t work or something else totally unrelated happens, it’s y’all’s dime, not no one else’s. You don’t have to worry about getting a lawyer and defending what you know is right. I don’t have that luxury and don’t wanna have to hash anything out in courtroom but, I would still like to know what the best is I can use and still not upset my warranty. It really is that simple.

I have no reason to believe that what y’all are telling me isn’t true. It’s not like that and if the XG2 or the RP 20-820 or 20-500 is better for these engines, how do you explain that to warranty when they’re that black and white and have a loophole around what truly is better? It’s just like when I did that one oil change with the Amsoil SS 5w20; it was the correct weight(according to the manufacturer) and even though Amsoil told me that even though it isn’t API and Chrysler MS6395 certified, it does meet and exceed those certifications but good luck convincing warranty people that who are just looking for a reason to deny somebody. All they see is no API certification label on the bottle or no mention of Chrysler’s spec so that allows them to be crooked to the point of not caring even if they do know that the Amsoil SS is one of the best engine oils out there.

So I guess with that said, I’ll just use the Fram I bought unless you think I could be better off with the RP 10-48 or the Wix XP 57060.
Do not be held hostage by your warranty , you may get gray hair and still be denied . As said previously the Magnason Moss act protects us . If you are up to the fight.
 

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Do not be held hostage by your warranty , you may get gray hair and still be denied . As said previously the Magnason Moss act protects us . If you are up to the fight.
Yeah but again though, is that only for protection against manufacturer warranties or does that cover all warranties, including those you buy that kick in after the manufacture warranty is up or if you buy an extended warranty for a used vehicle?
 

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Do not be held hostage by your warranty , you may get gray hair and still be denied . As said previously the Magnason Moss act protects us . If you are up to the fight.
The warranty is important to me. My son’s 2015 sucked a cam and the warranty covered the $8,000 rebuild. If I had to come up with $8,000, I’d be walking for a long time.
 

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The warranty is important to me. My son’s 2015 sucked a cam and the warranty covered the $8,000 rebuild. If I had to come up with $8,000, I’d be walking for a long time.
Mine is important to me as well. It wasn’t cheap. That’s why I don’t think I necessarily want to push it too far but at the same time, I don’t want to use the cheapest of the cheap parts either. I may not completely be able to run the Amsoil signature series 5W-30, the redline performance 5W-30 for any of the larger oil filters like the XG2 Fram or either the royal purple 20–820 or 20–500 but I also don’t wanna pretty much guarantee my future spot in the shop either by running that cheap semi-synthetic oil and that cheap paper Mopar oil filter.
 

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I wonder if Amsoil no longer recommend its EA filter do to the fact its 20 microns thus it will get full faster in a dirty engine compared to the standard 35 micron cellulose Mopar oil filters... I was surprised to find out that Amsoil EA oil filters are no longer rated at 15 microns like they use to be years ago like the older Donaldson ELF filters....
Curious, where did you see that the Mopar filters are rated at 35 microns?

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Mine is important to me as well. It wasn’t cheap. That’s why I don’t think I necessarily want to push it too far but at the same time, I don’t want to use the cheapest of the cheap parts either. I may not completely be able to run the Amsoil signature series 5W-30, the redline performance 5W-30 for any of the larger oil filters like the XG2 Fram or either the royal purple 20–820 or 20–500 but I also don’t wanna pretty much guarantee my future spot in the shop either by running that cheap semi-synthetic oil and that cheap paper Mopar oil filter.

Given what you're trying to do - I'd run the rp filter as long as I could get it for $11/$12 (xg10060 filter as alternative) and find a high molly content 5w20 oil that meets spec. Best of both worlds. Living within parameters of the warranty but also employing some of the known preventative measures.

Perhaps look into HPL 5w20 super car oil. Expensive, but I believe ALL of their formulations are very high molly count. I have no clue if it meets Chrysler spec. perhaps @HEMIMANN, @Rod Knock, or @Burla know.
 

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Question for you guys who buy multiple filters at once. When it comes to storage, is there a preferred way of storing them or can they just be in the box and sit for years with no worries? i'm assuming those seals have a shelf life.
 

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Hmm…. So if Amsoil says they don’t recommend their OE replacement filter for the Hemi engines and being that the RP 10-48 is supposedly the same filter as that, does that mean that knocks out the RP 10-48 as well? After reading this, I guess I am kinda glad I bought the Fram XG10060.

But just for grins a giggles, I found a XG2 and dang, that thing dwarfs the 10060…lol. How do y’all fit them big filters in there?

I sure can't - but it seems I have a unicorn Heavy Duty variant made on a Friday with unique coolant hose routing:

Ram 2500 Gen IV Oil Filter on truck.jpg

Thats a Fram Ultra XG 10575 in there - just about touching the molded lower radiator hose. I've since switched to Royal Purple 20-500, same OEM diameter but longer than the Fram.
 

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Given what you're trying to do - I'd run the rp filter as long as I could get it for $11/$12 (xg10060 filter as alternative) and find a high molly content 5w20 oil that meets spec. Best of both worlds. Living within parameters of the warranty but also employing some of the known preventative measures.

Perhaps look into HPL 5w20 super car oil. Expensive, but I believe ALL of their formulations are very high molly count. I have no clue if it meets Chrysler spec. perhaps @HEMIMANN, @Rod Knock, or @Burla know.
I looked up that oil you were talking about and yeah, I’ve heard that before. It’s been a while but at that price, I could get 7 quarts of Amsoil signature series for roughly the same amount so what would make that HPL oil better than Amsoil Signature series?

But from what I read anyways, they kind of sound the same thing as Amsoil when they say their oil meets and exceeds both API certifications and manufacturer’s certifications which tells me from what I was explained to in the synthetic oil thread that supposedly API certifications and Chryslers certifications really aren’t that high on the “scale” as most other people assume they are and Amsoil pretty much explicitly told me that day that their signature series product goes way beyond what API designates what engine oil should be and even what Chrysler says they expect an engine oil to be in order to be compliant with their product so I suppose to some people that could be plenty of information to go up against the manufacturer if something happened to their engine and they tried to deny their claim when they ask for the specific API certification and the Chrysler certification, when even they themselves would know that the product used is way better than what they say you should use.

I really didn’t mind running the Amsoil signature series and I was pretty much impressed overall when I used it but being that I don’t drive my truck that much, I just really didn’t think it was worth paying what they charged for it being that I only average anywhere from 5500 to 6500 miles a year. I figured there was just as good of products out there that would yield roughly the same results for a lot less money. Hopefully the schaffers 9000 extreme I’m using right now could be one of those products, maybe even hopefully the mobile one extended performance. I’ll just have to wait and see what the oil analysis report shows when I get that back and then of course I’ll have to wait until next October to see just how good the extended performance mobile one is.

Attached is the Blackstone report for the Amsoil signature Series 5W20 that I ran last year with that same brand oil filter that Amsoil supposedly said for us to quit using.
 

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Question for you guys who buy multiple filters at once. When it comes to storage, is there a preferred way of storing them or can they just be in the box and sit for years with no worries? i'm assuming those seals have a shelf life.
I put some 5w30 on the gaskets, and put them back in their boxes on a shelf.
 
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