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This is to help people who try to get out of the truck in gear.

It saves lives.

Yes... It's because of this, and to avoid it happening again.

I find with the knob I sometimes turn it in the opposite direction from reverse and find myself in drive when I expected to be in park. It isn't a common occurrence and usual happens when I'm distracted. The one time I remember doing it and instantly hopping out of the truck made me thankful for the auto-park feature.

I never had this happen with a stick shifter, so I think for those of us with the shift knob it is a required safety feature.


 
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I have had 2 cars and 1 truck with push button shifts.
I don't ever remember not shifting them to park, but with all those, you looked at the buttons.
One had a lever for park . been a while.
On the Rams, I don't really look at the knob when shifting.
 

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The only reason I leave the door open is if in hooking up a bumper pull trailer. A lot of times the sun will hit the backup camera and I can’t see the hitch. Or if I have to move it back just a little, again because I can’t see the trailer hitch through the camera. It happens often and to move back 2” I have to get in and shut the door.
 

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What engaged or would engage is:
SafeHold
SafeHold is a safety feature of the Electric Park Brake
System that will engage the park brake automatically if the
vehicle is left unsecured while the ignition is in ON/RUN.
For automatic transmissions, the park brake will automatically
engage if all of the following conditions are met:
• The vehicle is at a standstill.
• There is no attempt to depress the brake pedal or
accelerator pedal.
• The seat belt is unbuckled.
• The driver door is open.
SafeHold can be temporarily bypassed by pushing the
Electric Park Brake Switch while the driver door is open.
Once manually bypassed, SafeHold will be enabled again
once the vehicle reaches 12 mph (20 km/h) or the ignition
is turned to the OFF position and back to ON again.
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See: https://munley.com/jeep-that-killed-actor-was-under-recall/#:~:text=The vehicle that killed actor,pinned him against a fence.

Others have mentioned this but this is a link to the specific case. The person killed was the actor who played Chekov in the most recent Star Trek movies. Note the story mentions the fact that his vehical did not have the recall that had been announced two months prior.

A lot has to do with liability. In this case FCA could claim that they had issued the recall and it wasn't their fault he didn't get it done.

That said, I can verify that my '22 Ram 2500 does NOT automatically go into park if I open the door. When hooking up my travel trailer, once I back the ball under the coupler, I leave the engine running while I get out to lower the tongue of the trailer onto the ball. This is because I may have to jump back in and adjust my position and I don't want to shut it down only to start it back up 30 seconds later. My usual procedure is to hold the brake while I shift into park and then activate the emergency brake, then go check the trailer. The other day when I got back in the truck and found that I had left it in drive, and it was still in drive but hadn't moved because the emergency brake was on. Ill now have to go back and look to see if I have some kind of settings that control this...but I don't remember seeing anything like that.

Or am I misunderstanding what's going on?
Emergency brake engaged over rode the safety feature, that comes under safe hold. I have done it once, thought in drive, got out, vehicle started to move (my difference as E brake not on and vehicle started to move, where yours had the E brake on not moving), and locked up. It is a good safety feature but can also be a monster PITA. All IMHO...

ADDED: OK, went out to MY 19. Truck in park, set E brake, put in drive, open door, "get" alarm, shift into park. The "D" light flashes on the dial knob but does not go to "P", but the system does go to autopark. Does the same thing if I open door when in gear and move forward (safehold).
 

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See: https://munley.com/jeep-that-killed-actor-was-under-recall/#:~:text=The vehicle that killed actor,pinned him against a fence.

Others have mentioned this but this is a link to the specific case. The person killed was the actor who played Chekov in the most recent Star Trek movies. Note the story mentions the fact that his vehical did not have the recall that had been announced two months prior.

A lot has to do with liability. In this case FCA could claim that they had issued the recall and it wasn't their fault he didn't get it done.

That said, I can verify that my '22 Ram 2500 does NOT automatically go into park if I open the door. When hooking up my travel trailer, once I back the ball under the coupler, I leave the engine running while I get out to lower the tongue of the trailer onto the ball. This is because I may have to jump back in and adjust my position and I don't want to shut it down only to start it back up 30 seconds later. My usual procedure is to hold the brake while I shift into park and then activate the emergency brake, then go check the trailer. The other day when I got back in the truck and found that I had left it in drive, and it was still in drive but hadn't moved because the emergency brake was on. Ill now have to go back and look to see if I have some kind of settings that control this...but I don't remember seeing anything like that.

Or am I misunderstanding what's going on?

Do you have the ZF Transmission (dial) or one with a column shifter? The problem is with the dial shifters, where either the user thinks they are in P, when they actually only turned it to R, or the computer that shifts the mechanical selector somehow doesn't make it all the way to P before the user gets out.

If you have a mechanical (column shifter) this isn't an FCA problem that they have to fix if you forget to put it in P...
 

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The only reason I leave the door open is if in hooking up a bumper pull trailer. A lot of times the sun will hit the backup camera and I can’t see the hitch. Or if I have to move it back just a little, again because I can’t see the trailer hitch through the camera. It happens often and to move back 2” I have to get in and shut the door.
I don’t know what you have, I never have that problem
I can see my hitch and I can see my bumper as well
Nice when I back in the garage, I stop 1 inch from the wall and then I can walk around the truck
It’s the factory setup
Also have parking sensors
 

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Maybe you need to trade your 2500 in on one of those Fords with the backup feature where all you have to do is twist a little knob to back up your trailer!:rolleyes:
 

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Maybe you need to trade your 2500 in on one of those Fords with the backup feature where all you have to do is twist a little knob to back up your trailer!:rolleyes:
Could buy new RAM with this system: Since I just got a lowly 19 Bighorn (sic), have to use mirrors, camera a lil, common sense (means get out and look if not sure).

 

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Do you have the ZF Transmission (dial) or one with a column shifter? The problem is with the dial shifters, where either the user thinks they are in P, when they actually only turned it to R, or the computer that shifts the mechanical selector somehow doesn't make it all the way to P before the user gets out.

If you have a mechanical (column shifter) this isn't an FCA problem that they have to fix if you forget to put it in P...
I have the ZF 8 Speed with the dial shifter on the dash and the 2WD, 4Hi and 4Low buttons next to it. Im going to experiment with this nex time I'm in the truck to see if I can figure out what its really doing. This is always something I've done by accident so maybe I don't have the exact sequence of events down. Could the fact that I have the parking brake engaged play into it?
 

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Emergency brake engaged over rode the safety feature, that comes under safe hold. I have done it once, thought in drive, got out, vehicle started to move (my difference as E brake not on and vehicle started to move, where yours had the E brake on not moving), and locked up. It is a good safety feature but can also be a monster PITA. All IMHO...

ADDED: OK, went out to MY 19. Truck in park, set E brake, put in drive, open door, "get" alarm, shift into park. The "D" light flashes on the dial knob but does not go to "P", but the system does go to autopark. Does the same thing if I open door when in gear and move forward (safehold).
"E-Brake"??? I see you have a 1500. Mine is a 2500 and its not an E-Brake (far as I know??). Its an old fashioned pedal you press down with your left foot and have to reach down with your hand to pull a lever that releases the brake. Or is my pedal actually an E-Brake in disguise?
 

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"E-Brake"??? I see you have a 1500. Mine is a 2500 and its not an E-Brake (far as I know??). Its an old fashioned pedal you press down with your left foot and have to reach down with your hand to pull a lever that releases the brake. Or is my pedal actually an E-Brake in disguise?

Meh, parking brake, e-brake...people have been incorrectly calling them e-brakes for decades. It's best not to get worked up over it though. You know what they're talking about.
 

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Meh, parking brake, e-brake...people have been incorrectly calling them e-brakes for decades. It's best not to get worked up over it though. You know what they're talking about.
I think he was confusing e=emergency with e=electronic. Some of the new vehicles actually do have electronic parking brakes.
 

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I have the ZF 8 Speed with the dial shifter on the dash and the 2WD, 4Hi and 4Low buttons next to it. Im going to experiment with this nex time I'm in the truck to see if I can figure out what its really doing. This is always something I've done by accident so maybe I don't have the exact sequence of events down. Could the fact that I have the parking brake engaged play into it?

Honestly I have never tried opening the door in gear with the parking brake on. I have only had the auto park engage 1 time unplanned, it was an instance where I turned the dial quickly trying to put it in park, but for some reason it I only got it to R. It did it's job and as soon as the vehicle started moving, it slammed into P.

What I think it is, is I think you have to be moving for it to slam into P, so perhaps because you are have the parking brake on and the truck isn't actually moving it didn't engage the auto park feature.

You could try engaging the brake just enough that the light is on, but not enough that it stops movement, then open the door and release the brake pedal to see if it engages. It should...
 

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I think he was confusing e=emergency with e=electronic. Some of the new vehicles actually do have electronic parking brakes.
That's probably right. I have another vehicle that has an E-P brake, which was a P-I-T-A in the beginning until we got used to it.
 

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"Anyone that can be that condescending of someone else on the forum just because of what they typed like I said tells a lot about your character."

This coming from someone who said "if you need to open the door to back up a trailer, you have no right hauling the trailer in the first place".

1. Ironically, that was a bit condescending
2. He wasn't asking about backing up a trailer.
3. It was unsolicited advice. The guy asked about a method to bypass the feature. He didn't ask if it was right or wrong or if you do it or not. There are plenty of posts asking for opinions on here. You even knew this by stating "I know I'm going to get a lot of flack for this and I really don't care." A little arrogance sprinkled in too....
 

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This coming from someone who said "if you need to open the door to back up a trailer, you have no right hauling the trailer in the first place".

1. Ironically, that was a bit condescending
2. He wasn't asking about backing up a trailer.
3. It was unsolicited advice. The guy asked about a method to bypass the feature. He didn't ask if it was right or wrong or if you do it or not. There are plenty of posts asking for opinions on here. You even knew this by stating "I know I'm going to get a lot of flack for this and I really don't care." A little arrogance sprinkled in too....
1. not condescending bud, it's a fact.
2. Nobody said he was asking about backing up a trailer, that was mentioned later. Pay attention to the facts before comment
3. Again, pay attention to the facts bud, nothing was directed to the OP. So it wasn't unsolicited advice. It was simply a statement of fact. Obviously you failed to understand this, yet still try to apply your two cents worth
 

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1. not condescending bud, it's a fact.
2. Nobody said he was asking about backing up a trailer, that was mentioned later. Pay attention to the facts before comment
3. Again, pay attention to the facts bud, nothing was directed to the OP. So it wasn't unsolicited advice. It was simply a statement of fact. Obviously you failed to understand this, yet still try to apply your two cents worth

Are you serious? Maybe you should pay attention to the things you wrote.
1. It's not a fact. It's your opinion, "bud". Your statement was based on nothing but arrogance - you have no idea about his ability.
2. YOU SAID THIS "if you need to open the door to back up a trailer, you have no right hauling the trailer in the first place". Did I make something up or did you reference backing up a trailer?
3. Who was it directed to? You replied to his post. And yes...It was unsolicited. He asked for a work-around - not your advice on needing it or not.

You know what you are? An insecure little boy. It takes more of a man to say something like "yeah, that's funny...I guess you got me on that one". No...typical insecure a-hole who will argue in circles to avoid being wrong.
So tell me, "bud".....what did I "fail to understand"?

Let me guess....We'll hear silence.....Or will you keep sidestepping and going in circles?
 
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