Well that’s disappointing

Disclaimer: Links on this page pointing to Amazon, eBay and other sites may include affiliate code. If you click them and make a purchase, we may earn a small commission.

njjeff201

Senior Member
Joined
Sep 22, 2020
Posts
190
Reaction score
127
Location
Sparta, NJ
Ram Year
2021
Engine
5.7 E Torque Hemi
This is a stupid question sorry guys.
Stop/Start when the e-torque comes to a light or stop sign?
I have the 2022 e-torque ram and no Start/stop engine for me at a signal.
Is this a feature that you can turn on?
I might be confused.
Is this like the the VW cars & suvs?
Engine turns off when car comes to a stop at a signal then turns back on when you release the brake and press the gas.
Turns engine off at stop if all conditions are met. I'm assuming temp, battery level & load... not if fan is running on mine but works if A/C is ON.
 

RBJRBJ

Member
Joined
Feb 11, 2021
Posts
73
Reaction score
57
Location
Va
Ram Year
2021
Engine
Hemi 5.7L V8 MDS VVT eTorque Engine
I have a 2021 RAM 1500 Longhorn Limited with the 5.7 Liter Hemi with eTorque. Yon can easily turn off the on/off start by a push of a button. I have experienced zero issues, no problems with eTorgue.
It’s to each his own to choose.
The link below from YouTube with a RAM product technician explains “ Six Things You Probably Didn't Know" about the eTorgue system in case anyone is interested in learning more:
https://youtu.be/Nwnw452p2ZA
 
OP
OP
KeithP

KeithP

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 23, 2019
Posts
461
Reaction score
594
Location
Texas
Ram Year
2019
Engine
Hemi 5.7 VVT
I am going to the dealer Tuesday to see if I can order a 2022 / 2023 classic with the regular hemi. We shall see!
I was looking at a DS/gen 5. Let us know what happens.
 

PrimetimeRam2022

Junior Member
Joined
Jul 13, 2022
Posts
4
Reaction score
0
Location
California
Ram Year
2022
Engine
5.7L
Lol I feel like a idiot right now.
Nice video!
Obviously my start/stop is off.
I gotta read the manual to figure out to turn it on and off.
Thanks guys
 

Freakydude

Senior Member
Military
Joined
Aug 20, 2022
Posts
108
Reaction score
112
Location
ontario canada
Ram Year
2018
Engine
Ecodiesel
Yup.

Too many E.P.A. C.A.F.E. gizmos. They're proliferating like flies.

VVT, MDS, Trans Cooler Thermostat, etorque, low vis oil, what else?
EPA protects your lungs and our environment, I don't think that is a bad thing is it? Maybe your kids want to breath an extra few years. most of what your against improves your vehicle so again why the complaint?
I think the main issue with E Torque is education. I learned what it is and what it does and to me its a great idea, An electric motor that gets you up to 10 or 20kmhr without using fuel which is where most of your heavy consumption is.
The start stop thing I don't like much either on my other cars but I use it because it is better for the environment.
We have to change or we are killing our grandchildren.
 

Wild one

Senior Member
Joined
Jan 17, 2016
Posts
13,725
Reaction score
23,401
Ram Year
14 Sport
Engine
5.7
Hey when are one of you guys with the e-torque going to take the truck to a track and make a pass with it on and then off. Kind of curious if it'll quicken the trucks 60ft and it's 1/4 mile time with it on,compared to it being off.
 

Wulf

Senior Member
Military
Joined
May 16, 2021
Posts
182
Reaction score
77
Location
United States
Ram Year
2021
Engine
5.7 Hemi
so I am ignorant but the idea of an e-torque is good. So enlighten a lost soul, why so down on e-torque?

I don't want to speak for them, but many people are of the opinion that the etorque system adds complexity that could and probably will have issues down the road. Just more things to break after the warranty expires, which means they'd be paying to repair a system they don't want. Especially if the type of driving you do doesn't include a lot of city type driving. For me, etorque didn't save me any fuel because I don't really have any long stop lights or stop signs on my daily commute. The etorque system gives your vehicle stop/start, which is really the only part of it that can save fuel. But again, only if you regularly sit at a stop for any length of time. I had etorque on my last truck, and I bought a device to turn stop/start off until I wanted to turn it back on.

While not specifically a RAM issue, I will add the litany of vehicles with GM (their version of) MDS systems. Going into limp mode for no reason, and shutting down the engine (and vehicle speed) to bare minimums almost instantly for one. If you can't see why this is a problem, imagine going highway speeds and then the vehicle, outside of the driver's control, slowing down to basically relatively dead stop on the highway.

Any, and I mean ANY, added complexity to vehicles adds complexity and possibility to things that could go wrong, as @mikeru pointed out. An electric door lock, electric windows, etc., are more complicated and have more possible breakage issues than their manual counterparts. Carburated fuel systems are much easier, generally speaking, to work on than fuel injection. You get the idea.

Because of those issues with GM's V8 motors of the period, I am glad my Silverado is only a 6. But there are some days I wish it had the same response to the Happy Pedal that my RAM does.
 

Truckit

Senior Member
Joined
Jan 5, 2013
Posts
199
Reaction score
118
Location
Listowel Ontario Canada
Ram Year
2017 Longhorn Limited
Engine
Hemi 5.7
I have or do own 12 hemi powered vehicles. Including a 19, 21 and 22 DT 1500, all with etourqe. I don't want another non-etorque 5.7L. There is a lot of fear because of misinformation. Yes, including on these forums.
 

Wulf

Senior Member
Military
Joined
May 16, 2021
Posts
182
Reaction score
77
Location
United States
Ram Year
2021
Engine
5.7 Hemi
I have or do own 12 hemi powered vehicles. Including a 19, 21 and 22 DT 1500, all with etourqe. I don't want another non-etorque 5.7L. There is a lot of fear because of misinformation. Yes, including on these forums.

Sometimes true, sometimes not so much. The issues with the GM motors (and other similar systems) could be explained away as "misinformation" and "fear of the unknown", until stuff actually starts breaking, which they did, documented fact, or getting a good amount of time operating. They (e-Torque) really haven't been out long enough to have a good gauge of how well they work, on either side, IMO.

Another good example, the infamous HEMI tick. (And before you claim misinformation on this, I am just referencing the known and proven event.) There is now what could be considered a 3.5 Gen HEMI motor out there now, a slight redesign from the original 3rd Gen that had these issues (and have been on the road and operating for decades in many cases), but not quite as drastic as the totally redesigned 4th Gen, I think they refer to it as Next Gen as well. Not 100% sure. Was it redesigned to (possibly among other things) kill the potentially engine killing (again, not fear or misinformation, documented fact) HEMI tick, or was there other things they tweaked with it, and that tick's cause (some say hydraulic roller bearings crapping out due to lack of lubrication) was totally ignored?
 
Last edited:

Rayzaa

Senior Member
Joined
Jul 5, 2022
Posts
267
Reaction score
192
Location
Las Vegas, NV
Ram Year
2007
Engine
5.7
While not specifically a RAM issue, I will add the litany of vehicles with GM (their version of) MDS systems. Going into limp mode for no reason, and shutting down the engine (and vehicle speed) to bare minimums almost instantly for one. If you can't see why this is a problem, imagine going highway speeds and then the vehicle, outside of the driver's control, slowing down to basically relatively dead stop on the highway.

Any, and I mean ANY, added complexity to vehicles adds complexity and possibility to things that could go wrong, as @mikeru pointed out. An electric door lock, electric windows, etc., are more complicated and have more possible breakage issues than their manual counterparts. Carburated fuel systems are much easier, generally speaking, to work on than fuel injection. You get the idea.

Because of those issues with GM's V8 motors of the period, I am glad my Silverado is only a 6. But there are some days I wish it had the same response to the Happy Pedal that my RAM does.
Sounds like a GM problem and why i dont buy their junk.
 

Gregory McKinley

Member
Military
Joined
Oct 27, 2019
Posts
43
Reaction score
39
Location
Piedmont, SC
Ram Year
2019
Engine
5.7 E-torque
I have a 2019 5.7 with e-torque. Got 54000 on the odometer now. No major problems whatsoever with the e-torque system. People say how does it save fuel??? Obviously when the engine is not running, it is not using fuel! Does it save fuel? Maybe a little! To date the only issues I have had is a bad hood sensor/switch that set a SEL and e-torque stops working. Easy fix. Had underhood battery take **** on me. Had issues with radio/backup camera. TSB update fixed that. And when you change the oil filter, the oil cooler above filter leaked. Had a deer jump out in front of me a month ago. Got all parts but front grill. Grill is backordered by factory. Should be here next week. This is it guys. Pretty good I think so far. I pull a 28' Jayco Flight camper with no problems at all. LOVE my truck!!!!!!!! e-torque is not as bad as most think it is in my opinion.
 

HEMIMANN

Senior Member
Supporting Member
Military
Joined
Dec 7, 2020
Posts
6,807
Reaction score
17,098
Location
Minneapolis, MN
Ram Year
2017 2500 Laramie Crew Cab
Engine
6.4L HEMI
EPA protects your lungs and our environment, I don't think that is a bad thing is it? Maybe your kids want to breath an extra few years. most of what your against improves your vehicle so again why the complaint?
I think the main issue with E Torque is education. I learned what it is and what it does and to me its a great idea, An electric motor that gets you up to 10 or 20kmhr without using fuel which is where most of your heavy consumption is.
The start stop thing I don't like much either on my other cars but I use it because it is better for the environment.
We have to change or we are killing our grandchildren.
Yes, it's a bad thing when it costs millions to remove incredibly small amounts. That's an agency that's outlived it's usefulness.

We need to stop overproducing ourselves, not micromanaging existing technologies.

I worked in this industry 22 years. I know what I'm talking about. I don't abide uninformed extremist ideology of any sort. Which is why I'm calling it out here in a supposedly knowledgeable product forum.
 

My_Looong_Horn

Junior Member
Joined
Feb 20, 2022
Posts
13
Reaction score
18
Location
Ontario, Canada
Ram Year
2022
Engine
Hemi 5.7 eTorque
so I am ignorant but the idea of an e-torque is good. So enlighten a lost soul, why so down on e-torque?
I have had no issues to this point with my ‘22 5.7 E-torque. Now I’m only a few months and about 25,000 miles in so I shouldn’t. Gas mileage is excellent when empty and using a s a commuter and obviously worse when I have it doing what it should…working. But it performs really well and being the Longhorn pkg it does so in comfort. My “cowboy Cadillac”.

I was watching a few videos to learn about E-torque before I got it so I went back to a couple and one had a good graphic I picked off and attach here.

The E-torque does all really good things. I really notice the shifting difference between my truck and my son’s couple year old Ram, he does too it’s far smoother.

Fuel economy is approx 10% better according to Ram, which is probably right. And from what I see in the forum here many guys without E-torque flat out don’t believe the economy numbers of those that have it. Currently my trip odometer is approximately 6,000 miles and the economy is 19.9 MPG. Sometimes it goes as low as 19 and a sometimes over 20. And this is the 5.7. And that includes some packed beds of supplies. But mostly highway miles.

Start/stop always on, I love it. Coming off the line there zero hesitation and the power is ON just like an electric motor in the first split second of acceleration then the Hemi takes over.

I know there’s a lot of people disliking it, but I like it. I’m not a backyard mechanic that could ever fix a vehicle so the complexities of repair for me as an individual aren’t a big concern. Complexity of the dealer not knowing how to fix them is a concern but at this point 2-3 years in I think they have it figured out.
 
OP
OP
KeithP

KeithP

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 23, 2019
Posts
461
Reaction score
594
Location
Texas
Ram Year
2019
Engine
Hemi 5.7 VVT
I have a 2021 RAM 1500 Longhorn Limited with the 5.7 Liter Hemi with eTorque. Yon can easily turn off the on/off start by a push of a button. I have experienced zero issues, no problems with eTorgue.
It’s to each his own to choose.
The link below from YouTube with a RAM product technician explains “ Six Things You Probably Didn't Know" about the eTorgue system in case anyone is interested in learning more:
https://youtu.be/Nwnw452p2ZA
Ok. Watched the video. It is a very good explanation of the system. Thank you for the video link.

Still think it’s un-necessary technology though. I’m averaging 19.5, on about a 50/50 mix of highway vs city and I usually use the shift limiter to kill the MDS. Compared to what I see e-torque drivers getting, my 19.5 is pretty well on par with them. So, I’m not seeing the advantages of the e-torque. All I see is the risk of an expensive failure.
 

Olecarguy

Junior Member
Joined
Aug 21, 2022
Posts
7
Reaction score
10
Location
Dallas GA
Ram Year
2022
Engine
5.7 MDS Etorque
I recently purchase a gen 5 RAM 5.7 1500 4x4 Crew Cab with e-torque. It was a MUST HAVE after having owned and traded in a Gladiator with Stop/Start, then driving the RAM with it over a weekend.

Nearly Every time I got into the Jeep, the Stop/Start switch got pressed, turning it off. If I forgot, I got reminded to turn it off at the first stop. This is due to the annoying starter based start up at traffic lights, stop signs, etc. Having turned wrenches my entire life, I can only imagine the strain of the starter and flywheel the starter based system creates.

Conversely, the stop/start on the RAM with e-torque is left on all the time. I've yet have to found the need to press that Stop/Start OFF button on the dash. The motor/genrator is very smooth and quiet. Also, since it supplement the engine during up/downshifts, its improves the driving experience, which may also extend band/clutch life of the tranny.

Since the RAM has a broad complement of gauges, I've left the center screen on "Stop/Start" Monitoring which displays the system's readiness or reason for not turning off. Eliminating questions as to why its not turning off at times.

Does it have extra components which could fail? Absolutely as it requires computer monitoring to execute any of its 6 modes of operation, more wiring, it has an extra batter, etc. However, unlike the JEEP where the extra battery is buried under the power distribution module requiring electrical surgical access, this one is reasonable accessible and not of a wet cell design. It is a lithium-ion nickel manganese cobalt-graphite battery which in theory will last significantly longer than a wet cell. Will it go bad, sure. Only Time will tell.

In the meantime, the generator, battery, control module, etc. is covered under Federal Emissions warrantee for 8 years or 80K miles. While I only have a few K miles on the truck, I've not had any problems.

MPG wise, I'M getting 19.5 locally, 21 on the highway 70 and under, 20.5 when driving consistently over 75. This is about 10-15% better than the Gladiator with a 3.6. If this vehicle follows the same MPG curves as the Jeep, I am anticipating an increase when I get over 10K miles. Time will tell on that.

Frankly, I'm truly impressed with the e-torque, and have 8 years/80K of FCA factory coverage miles if problems develop.
 

Wulf

Senior Member
Military
Joined
May 16, 2021
Posts
182
Reaction score
77
Location
United States
Ram Year
2021
Engine
5.7 Hemi
Sounds like a GM problem and why i dont buy their junk.
True. I have had other issues with this truck, but I have had good luck, generally speaking, in the past with GM. Part of the reason I ended up going with RAM this time around, tbh.
 

Wulf

Senior Member
Military
Joined
May 16, 2021
Posts
182
Reaction score
77
Location
United States
Ram Year
2021
Engine
5.7 Hemi
Ok. Watched the video. It is a very good explanation of the system. Thank you for the video link.

Still think it’s un-necessary technology though. I’m averaging 19.5, on about a 50/50 mix of highway vs city and I usually use the shift limiter to kill the MDS. Compared to what I see e-torque drivers getting, my 19.5 is pretty well on par with them. So, I’m not seeing the advantages of the e-torque. All I see is the risk of an expensive failure.
My Dad has a 2017 RAM (DS like my 21, same body config/engine size as well), and afaik, he doesn't mess around with the shift limiter, but he does have the MDS, and he gets often 18-19 MPG showing on the truck display system (compared to my 13-14, but I like the Happy Pedal a bit too much). Not sure what your real world experiences are that intentionally shutting down the MDS gets you as an increase in mileage.
 

Wulf

Senior Member
Military
Joined
May 16, 2021
Posts
182
Reaction score
77
Location
United States
Ram Year
2021
Engine
5.7 Hemi
I have had no issues to this point with my ‘22 5.7 E-torque. Now I’m only a few months and about 25,000 miles in so I shouldn’t. Gas mileage is excellent when empty and using a s a commuter and obviously worse when I have it doing what it should…working. But it performs really well and being the Longhorn pkg it does so in comfort. My “cowboy Cadillac”.

I was watching a few videos to learn about E-torque before I got it so I went back to a couple and one had a good graphic I picked off and attach here.

The E-torque does all really good things. I really notice the shifting difference between my truck and my son’s couple year old Ram, he does too it’s far smoother.

Fuel economy is approx 10% better according to Ram, which is probably right. And from what I see in the forum here many guys without E-torque flat out don’t believe the economy numbers of those that have it. Currently my trip odometer is approximately 6,000 miles and the economy is 19.9 MPG. Sometimes it goes as low as 19 and a sometimes over 20. And this is the 5.7. And that includes some packed beds of supplies. But mostly highway miles.

Start/stop always on, I love it. Coming off the line there zero hesitation and the power is ON just like an electric motor in the first split second of acceleration then the Hemi takes over.

I know there’s a lot of people disliking it, but I like it. I’m not a backyard mechanic that could ever fix a vehicle so the complexities of repair for me as an individual aren’t a big concern. Complexity of the dealer not knowing how to fix them is a concern but at this point 2-3 years in I think they have it figured out.
As I posted on another message in this thread, my Dad has a 17 RAM 5.7 HEMI (quad cab, 4x4) and while not sure what he gets if he sits down and calculates real world data (gas slips and actual mileage), the truck system on his shows him getting 18+ mileage, a lot, with no e-torque, no messing with the MDS (that I am aware of) or any other "funny business" (pretty sure he couldn't be bothered). So claiming that the mileage is better or not, unless you have 1 person driving 2 almost identical trucks, with everything else being exactly (or as close as you can get) the same, same age, same mileage, usage, weight of the vehicle, etc. then the claims of "better mileage with the e-torque" are just that, claims.

As far as your mostly highway miles, modern 100% fuel powered vehicles get better mileage on the highway already. That is why the EPA numbers are higher for that than city driving. Would it decrease use of the fuel available in the tank? Possibly, if the engine is shutting off, as was posted elsewhere, it doesn't use fuel then.

But if you are getting roughly the same MPG mileage as a vehicle without it, which seems possible as well, then I would point out that you are effectively getting worse real world mileage because it is a less effective use of the fuel you ARE using to go the same distance. Again, without having 1 person driving the otherwise same vehicles in the same conditions, then all this is just theories.

Factory claims are, like the EPA estimates, found using controlled conditions that are repeatable there because they are controlled. Real life, not so controlled.
 
OP
OP
KeithP

KeithP

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 23, 2019
Posts
461
Reaction score
594
Location
Texas
Ram Year
2019
Engine
Hemi 5.7 VVT
My Dad has a 2017 RAM (DS like my 21, same body config/engine size as well), and afaik, he doesn't mess around with the shift limiter, but he does have the MDS, and he gets often 18-19 MPG showing on the truck display system (compared to my 13-14, but I like the Happy Pedal a bit too much). Not sure what your real world experiences are that intentionally shutting down the MDS gets you as an increase in mileage.
I’m not saying killing the MDS is improving my mileage. My mileage difference is imperceptible with it on vs off. I turn it off b/c I can feel the difference in it and I prefer it off.

I mentioned it b/c the MDS is sold as a system that improves mileage just as the e-torque is sold as a system that improves mileage. I’m not buying that sales pitch for either system.
 

Latest posts

Forum statistics

Threads
194,926
Posts
2,864,176
Members
155,296
Latest member
VLG6963
Top