Well that’s disappointing

Truckit said:

I have or do own 12 hemi powered vehicles. Including a 19, 21 and 22 DT 1500, all with etourqe. I don't want another non-etorque 5.7L. There is a lot of fear because of misinformation. Yes, including on these forums.

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My main reason for not wanting one is my driving habits. I have two personal vehicles and a work issued vehicle with personal use allowed in a certain radius. My wife has her own car and never drives my truck, as she's hesitant about the size vs what she's used to. Because of that, my truck often sits for weeks at a time without moving, and in the warm months it may not move for longer. I am concerned about the 48v battery's longevity in those conditions, as I don't think there's a battery tender option like there is for the regular battery. I don't want the expense or bother of battery replacement, so while I see the benefit of eTorque it's not for me or my usage.

HEMIMANN said:

Yes, it's a bad thing when it costs millions to remove incredibly small amounts. That's an agency that's outlived it's usefulness.

We need to stop overproducing ourselves, not micromanaging existing technologies.

I worked in this industry 22 years. I know what I'm talking about. I don't abide uninformed extremist ideology of any sort. Which is why I'm calling it out here in a supposedly knowledgeable product forum.

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Its your 22 years in the industry that handicaps your belief in newer technology being better I'll bet. Its always the older gen that can't accept change.
I see far more positive e-torque comments than negative ones and really the only crutch the negative ones have its a system to go wrong. well so far ABS brakes are relatively new being what a decade maybe? yet nobody would give them up. Seat belts were once disdained yet I doubt you could make a case for not wearing one today. E torque may remove a small amount from your truck specifically but multiply that by 1 million trucks and you are talking a huge amount of carbon, nos etc.
E torque would save gas because your truck is moving but not consuming, Same as start/stop, If your at a light and your truck isn't running are you burning gas?
I can't wait for the dinosaurs to come back to prove me wrong but I am pretty sure that there will come a day in the very near future when you won't have a choice. That will be a great day for the planet and for trucks

KeithP said:

Just specked out a 2023 1500. All 1500s are e-torque now. No more non e-torque 5.7s . Leaning heavily towards keeping my 2019 now.

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DANG good thought U have there.

Docwagon1776 said:

My main reason for not wanting one is my driving habits. I have two personal vehicles and a work issued vehicle with personal use allowed in a certain radius. My wife has her own car and never drives my truck, as she's hesitant about the size vs what she's used to. Because of that, my truck often sits for weeks at a time without moving, and in the warm months it may not move for longer. I am concerned about the 48v battery's longevity in those conditions, as I don't think there's a battery tender option like there is for the regular battery. I don't want the expense or bother of battery replacement, so while I see the benefit of eTorque it's not for me or my usage.

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you know the new battery technology has no memory and holds a charge much much longer than your standard battery right? Charges faster as well while being able to deliver more ( much more) instant power than standard batteries.
The technology isn't even new anymore. How does your current battery hold up?

huntergreen said:

How much does it cost to replace the battery and other parts of the etorque system ?

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You really do not want to know: OK, will post pic of used prices on E-bay:
USED:



HERE U GO NEW BATTERY PACK: Does not include any generator parts, just battery pack and maybe some adapters:

Freakydude said:

you know the new battery technology has no memory and holds a charge much much longer than your standard battery right? Charges faster as well while being able to deliver more ( much more) instant power than standard batteries.
The technology isn't even new anymore. How does your current battery hold up?

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I do. I also know that lithium batteries degrade as well, and being in a constant low charge rate accelerates the degradation. If it offered something I cared about in exchange, I'd accept the cost, but there's nothing it does I value. I don't tow, so my standing starts are traction limited, not torque limited. I'm perfectly happy with my 6 speed transmission so smoother shifts are not something I would even notice. I do not drive enough often enough for gas to be a significant part of my budget, so while I value range per tank I don't really care about differences in fuel economy. I keep my vehicles long term, and I will own the truck after the 8 year warranty on the parts is up. Why do I want the cons if I don't value the pros?

As I said, if the truck was otherwise what I wanted I could deal with the eTorque. But it isn't. There's much I do not care for in the 5th gen and think Ford is my better option this time. If I was going to buy a hybrid, I'd buy the Ford Powerboost. Real acceleration gains throughout the powerband, the ability to run electric tools/appliances off the truck, and a massive range. I would get more for the bother of the hybrid. But I'm looking at the Tremor, or the Raptor if I could actually find one at a reasonable price, so no Powerboost option for me even if I did want a hybrid.

My big concern is that I think they are limiting how many modifications can be done. Has anyone installed a bigger cam and headers in an e-torque? Maybe I'm ignorant but sounds like a tuning nightmare.

Freakydude said:

Its your 22 years in the industry that handicaps your belief in newer technology being better I'll bet. Its always the older gen that can't accept change.
I see far more positive e-torque comments than negative ones and really the only crutch the negative ones have its a system to go wrong. well so far ABS brakes are relatively new being what a decade maybe? yet nobody would give them up. Seat belts were once disdained yet I doubt you could make a case for not wearing one today. E torque may remove a small amount from your truck specifically but multiply that by 1 million trucks and you are talking a huge amount of carbon, nos etc.
E torque would save gas because your truck is moving but not consuming, Same as start/stop, If your at a light and your truck isn't running are you burning gas?
I can't wait for the dinosaurs to come back to prove me wrong but I am pretty sure that there will come a day in the very near future when you won't have a choice. That will be a great day for the planet and for trucks

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It's your zero years in the industry that has you believing in unicorn fairies your're told to believe in, instead of studying, and mastering physics.

Stop posting propaganda on a product forum.

KeithP said:

Just specked out a 2023 1500. All 1500s are e-torque now. No more non e-torque 5.7s . Leaning heavily towards keeping my 2019 now.

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You're looking to go from a '19 to a '23 so you're likely looking to trade the truck in again in 4 years. "The etorque system is covered under the Federal Emission Warranty for 8 years / 80,000 miles."

Any one with the v6 and e torque? If so what is your mileage?

Gents, let's keep this thread on track and avoid taking shots at each other.

As a point of interest- not contention- I have a 2014 5.7 hemi, mildly built, no MDS, no etorque, and it gets 19-20 mpg (if I keep my foot out of it).

KeithP said:

Just specked out a 2023 1500. All 1500s are e-torque now. No more non e-torque 5.7s . Leaning heavily towards keeping my 2019 now.

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I'm just like you, no e-torque for me either. Ready to trade my 2020 for a new 2023. Now I'm looking at a 2022, 5.7, the dealers have a good selection of unsold 22's right now. They are still coming in. But if you want a reg. 5.7, you will find
the pickins more slim.

BadHemi2014 said:

As a point of interest- not contention- I have a 2014 5.7 hemi, mildly built, no MDS, no etorque, and it gets 19-20 mpg (if I keep my foot out of it).

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Interesting, I have a 07 with no MDS and no etorque and I get 17 at best.

GTyankee said:

I have been curious how the E-Torque could save fuel

It does not engage if the HVAC System is in use.
It does not engage if the Alternator is working, like if you are running over head lights.
There may be other times that it will not engage

Now there are the basics:
a non e-torgue Hemi does not have the WEIGHT of that huge battery, nor does it have that heavy unit sitting inside of the engine compartment

How does EXTRA Weight save fuel ?

I think that a lot of people will be looking at the new Hurricane Engine

[ There is a possibility that the E-Torque will only be on the Ram 5th Generation.

If that is the case, Stellantis will have another reason to keep the 4th Generation Rams, without E-Torque ]

( I would never have bought the 5th Gen anyway )

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Fwiw, I have a 2022 1500 limited with e-torque. Your first two statements are not really accurate. The start/stop with HVAC depends on the cabin temp. So it may actually stop the engine if the temp is close to the HVAC setting. It also does work with the headlights on. Personally I don't mind it at all, but lots of folks on the forum don't seem to like it.

PrimetimeRam2022 said:

Lol I feel like a idiot right now.
Nice video!
Obviously my start/stop is off.
I gotta read the manual to figure out to turn it on and off.
Thanks guys

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My understanding is, eTorque stop/start defaults to on, at every engine start up. After starting the engine, the auto stop/start feature can be turned off.

Adam E said:

"The etorque system is covered under the Federal Emission Warranty for 8 years / 80,000 miles."

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^^^ THIS is worth knowing.

Adam E said:

You're looking to go from a '19 to a '23 so you're likely looking to trade the truck in again in 4 years. "The etorque system is covered under the Federal Emission Warranty for 8 years / 80,000 miles."

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Nope. Plan was to give my 19 to my daughter and her husband. Paying cash for the 23. But now I’m thinking I’ll give them the book value of it in cash so they can buy whatever they want and keep my 19 till I drive all the drive it has out of it. By then maybe I’ll have the retro-mod done on my 65 C10 and drive it. I’ll be back to the raw basics of automotive technology and I’ll be happier for it.

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You are correct about the Etorque working with the Headlights on

Although my regular headlights go with the Ignition, my statement should have stated what i meant by Over Head Lights

I meant the lights above the cab





My Headlights are always on with the ignition
Then there is the power draw with my overhead lights, while i am working

That is a lot of Electrical Draw

Question: Is the 12v battery still there (I think someone said it has been removed). How do you "Jump Start" the truck if the 48V battery dies?
Do I need to call 4 of my friends and put their vehicles in series?