Jasper replacement engine

So 4 months ago, the orginal engine blew so my garage told me the best option was to get a jasper engine with a 3 year 100k warranty, $10,000 plus later I get the new engine. IT took them a good 3 weeks to get the motor down here, so here we are 4 months later the new engine blew and it has been a month since jasper has dragged their feet on this matter. The intake manifold is damaged so that has to be replaced but it took Jasper a good few weeks to respond and say it has to be replaced and everything is backed order till October cause of Covid. I went ahead and took upon myself to buy one on ebay and it will be here tuesday. I have spent nearly $2k on a rental and jasper is only paying for half the labor until they get the engine in the shop I have to say that Jasper products and customer service are complete garbage and after this is done, Im taking legal matters in getting back rental fees and etc since Jasper has not taken the time or effort on helping me with this issue.

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I have to say, I participate in a few different vehicle forums, and between them and guys I've known who've bought replacement engines (and there've been several), it seems like 80% of the people who buy engines from mass rebuilders have serious complications just after start-up, or outright failures down the road like you (OP). That doesn't mean 80% of them die, but it seems like SO MANY of them have some sort of problem that needs to be sorted out. Common problems seem to be low oil pressure upon start up, coolant/head gasket leaks, odd noises, excessive oil use, parts installed incorrectly, or wrong part (for that engine). The problem is that costs money and time, which usually the owners end up paying. And suddenly it costs a fair amt more to sort out. Quite frequently major (costly) issues. I'm not joking when I say it seems like ~80%. Factory rebuilt or new engines which cost more generally seem to be pretty rock solid from guys I've known who've bought them.

Therefore, I've rebuilt my own engines when I can. True I've only rebuilt a few engines for my own cars, but when I did, I farmed the machine work out to a competent shop ..mostly I did all the reassembly, but took my time in doing so. Yes it takes a little more time, but I'm able tripple-check my work ..and the machine shop's work. Every one started up and ran great ...and lasted many years. No funny noises, no surprises. The reason I did it myself is because i've always been struck by how sloppy some rebuilders are. That said, I have read some good results/feedback from guys who have used Jasper engines, but on balance I've just heard so many issues with mass rebuilders. I almost hate to take the roll of the dice.

I know that story doesn't help you, but I feel your pain. Esp because you really wanted to put the engine failure behind you. It stings that much more. Hopefully once your mechanic will get things resolved sooner than plannned. BTW, did your mechanic check how much it would cost to buy a Mopar new/rebuilt shortblock or complete new engine?

Sorry to hear about all of that OP. 10k for a rebuilt hemi from jasper. Wow. Things sure are crazy these days.

Sorry to hear about all of that OP. 10k for a rebuilt hemi from jasper.

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I read the $10k number to include the engine .....and ALL the charges and time it takes to perform the overall job. And that would include the time it would take to order the engine (and that doesn't happen in the snap of the fingers ....there are forms that need to be filled out and signed), the time it takes to receive the engine, forklift it around, uncrate, swap over parts, perform the install ...and probably order and receive/install a number of new parts like plugs, oil and maybe an item or two that became broken during the process. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Anyone who's done a job like that, or other complex projects, knows there's a pretty fair amount of time procuring and organizing all the necessary items ...a shop has to pay their techs (or someone) to do these things. That's on TOP of the actual wrenching to swap the engines. In the building contracting industry that I was in, you get a really good sense of all those little 'untangibles' which have nothing to do with the actual construction (building) phase, but add up in time ...and all those little things and the time needed to do them have to be captured in the overall project pricing, or you'll eventually lose money and go out of business.

And even if a guy re-does, or changes an engine on their own, a lot of people (and I've done this) get to a point where they may say, "I probably should have spent the $10k and let someone else do this job!"

Damon7278 said:

So 4 months ago, the orginal engine blew so my garage told me the best option was to get a jasper engine with a 3 year 100k warranty, $10,000 plus later I get the new engine. IT took them a good 3 weeks to get the motor down here, so here we are 4 months later the new engine blew and it has been a month since jasper has dragged their feet on this matter. The intake manifold is damaged so that has to be replaced but it took Jasper a good few weeks to respond and say it has to be replaced and everything is backed order till October cause of Covid. I went ahead and took upon myself to buy one on ebay and it will be here tuesday. I have spent nearly $2k on a rental and jasper is only paying for half the labor until they get the engine in the shop I have to say that Jasper products and customer service are complete garbage and after this is done, Im taking legal matters in getting back rental fees and etc since Jasper has not taken the time or effort on helping me with this issue.

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These are probably better buys then rebuilding a stock engine.They're brand new crate engines

I agree ...for $5,500 on a full replacement, why even rebuild or mess around with a 3rd party engine shop (unless they were far backordered)? But mechanic shops tend to go with the outfit they've used a bunch of times before and whatever they perceive is the easiest for them.

The rebuilds I've ended up doing were for more odd-ball engines where an economical replacement wasn't avail, or a replacement (used) engine turned out to be worn more than expected (you kind of 'back into' some jobs). And on my own vehicles where I could take my time and didn't have to acomodate for all the time spent. But for most people, it doesn't make sense.

That said, you'd expect (hope) Jasper engines (and other large rebuilders) to produce a good quality product time and time again...

Sorry to hear hopefully all works out for you but also 10k for a rebuild is INSANE.

...Sorry to hear hopefully all works out for you but also 10k for a rebuild is INSANE.

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LOL, I've known guys who's race engine was tripple that ...not installed! $10k might seem high, but it may not be. Did that include a bunch of new engine maintenance parts? New coils? Water pump? other things? Was it a MDS delete? Those details weren't stated.

I knew a guy who put $16k into his a King Ranch engine ...and it wasn't even rebuilt. Just the heads up. The shop talked him into chipping it, an EGR delete (as I recall), and some tuning. Then spent another $2k on tires. After all that he drove it for a month and and bought a new F350 diesel ...and sold the truck for pretty cheap! LOL. People do funny things like that. (head shaking). The local guy who bought it got a heck of a nice truck at a cut-rate price. Kind of like a guy I used to work with, he refinanced his house (which he wasn't too far from paying off), rolled all the re-fi charges into the loan, put like $20k of credit card debt and at least one outstanding car loan (maybe two) on a new 30 year mortgage??!!! When you pay a mortgage you start by paying mostly interest (not much principle). Not suggesting the OP is overpaying. There might be a bunch of parts not articulated in his price. You'd want to put as much new stuff on a new engine as you could, for reliability. And as we are seeing, the Jasper engine repl was full of 'risk'. Risk costs have to be accomodated by either the shop, customer, supplying mfgr, or a combination of each. Reasonable profit is not a dirty word. If a shop undercharges, they won't be around for the customers who rely on them.

Jeepwalker said:

LOL, I've known guys who's race engine was tripple that ...not installed! $10k might seem high, but it may not be. Did that include a bunch of new engine maintenance parts? New coils? Water pump? other things? Was it a MDS delete? Those details weren't stated.

I knew a guy who put $16k into his a King Ranch engine ...and it wasn't even rebuilt. Just the heads up. The shop talked him into chipping it, an EGR delete (as I recall), and some tuning. Then spent another $2k on tires. After all that he drove it for a month and and bought a new F350 diesel ...and sold the truck for pretty cheap! LOL. People do funny things like that. (head shaking). The local guy who bought it got a heck of a nice truck at a cut-rate price. Kind of like a guy I used to work with, he refinanced his house (which he wasn't too far from paying off), rolled all the re-fi charges into the loan, put like $20k of credit card debt and at least one outstanding car loan (maybe two) on a new 30 year mortgage??!!! When you pay a mortgage you start by paying mostly interest (not much principle). Not suggesting the OP is overpaying. There might be a bunch of parts not articulated in his price. You'd want to put as much new stuff on a new engine as you could, for reliability. And as we are seeing, the Jasper engine repl was full of 'risk'. Risk costs have to be accomodated by either the shop, customer, supplying mfgr, or a combination of each. Reasonable profit is not a dirty word. If a shop undercharges, they won't be around for the customers who rely on them.

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The Jasper motors I believe typically will come with an install kit. I think you have to be sure is included up front when ordering though but would assume it came with.

Jeepwalker said:

I agree ...for $5,500 on a full replacement, why even rebuild or mess around with a 3rd party engine shop (unless they were far backordered)? But mechanic shops tend to go with the outfit they've used a bunch of times before and whatever they perceive is the easiest for them.

The rebuilds I've ended up doing were for more odd-ball engines where an economical replacement wasn't avail, or a replacement (used) engine turned out to be worn more than expected (you kind of 'back into' some jobs). And on my own vehicles where I could take my time and didn't have to acomodate for all the time spent. But for most people, it doesn't make sense.

That said, you'd expect (hope) Jasper engines (and other large rebuilders) to produce a good quality product time and time again...

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One thing the new crate motors have over a rebuilt,besides being new,is they come with a new water pump / pulley tensioners / throttle body /coils etc,no transferring of old parts onto a rebuilt engine. The labour cost savings should offset any cost differances,as these are basically a remove and replace engine,and you don't have to pay a shop to transfer your intake / front drive/oilpan etc. over onto a rebuilt engine

For a bit of comparison I'm getting a new 6.4 Hemi put into my Ram at the dealer. Between talking to them a bit and doing some research and estimating it's probably a $12-13,000 job. Engine is $8500 (this I can easily find online). Shipping and labor to install is a few thousand. Again, this would be dealership retail and labor rates and the 6.4 is probably a bit more $$ than the 5.7.

...For a bit of comparison I'm getting a new 6.4 Hemi put into my Ram at the dealer.

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Hey, what's the 6.4 going to do to your fuel economy? Not that you care, but just curious if you estimated it? I could see doing a retrofit like that.

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Hey, what's the 6.4 going to do to your fuel economy? Not that you care, but just curious if you estimated it? I could see doing a retrofit like that.

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It's a direct swap from a failed 6.4. If I remember right back in 2014 when the 6.4 first came out in the HDs the differences with the previous 5.7 were negligible. Of course, in the 1/2 tons the MPGs are quite a bit better, likely due to being lighter.

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Hey, what's the 6.4 going to do to your fuel economy? Not that you care, but just curious if you estimated it? I could see doing a retrofit like that.

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Most guys who've swapped a SRT 6.4 ( the cars higher compression 6.4 ) into a 1500,are claiming they're getting better milege,especially if the truck has an 8 speed with 3.21's.The 6.4 creates enough torque to hold 8th up pretty well most hills.

Was the intake plenum replaced with a new one, Jasper says that there is allot of oil deposits get stuck in the plenum and to replace it with a new one before running the engine, maybe that's why Jasper is not so fast to reply.

Wild one said:

Most guys who've swapped a SRT 6.4 ( the cars higher compression 6.4 ) into a 1500,are claiming they're getting better milege,especially if the truck has an 8 speed with 3.21's.The 6.4 creates enough torque to hold 8th up pretty well most hills.

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Do you know of anyone who has swapped a brand new srt 6.4 from mopar into a 5th gen? I've thought about it, but worried that it would be a serious pain due to the encrypted electronics everywhere nowadays?

If it's a drop and replace with maybe a new harness or whatever then that is more doable.

you must be very careful with used intake manifolds... a smashed valve can send metal chunks up into it... you heat it up... clean it and you loosen the oil gunk holding the metal chunks inside... The factory usually states replace it. I take mine to the car wash and nuke it with grease release... I make triple sure there is no metal chunk going to fly into my new engine.

Damon7278 said:

So 4 months ago, the orginal engine blew so my garage told me the best option was to get a jasper engine with a 3 year 100k warranty, $10,000 plus later I get the new engine. IT took them a good 3 weeks to get the motor down here, so here we are 4 months later the new engine blew and it has been a month since jasper has dragged their feet on this matter. The intake manifold is damaged so that has to be replaced but it took Jasper a good few weeks to respond and say it has to be replaced and everything is backed order till October cause of Covid. I went ahead and took upon myself to buy one on ebay and it will be here tuesday. I have spent nearly $2k on a rental and jasper is only paying for half the labor until they get the engine in the shop I have to say that Jasper products and customer service are complete garbage and after this is done, Im taking legal matters in getting back rental fees and etc since Jasper has not taken the time or effort on helping me with this issue.

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How did you blow tgwo motors in such a short period of time?? Just curious, seems unusual for sure.

ramffml said:

Do you know of anyone who has swapped a brand new srt 6.4 from mopar into a 5th gen? I've thought about it, but worried that it would be a serious pain due to the encrypted electronics everywhere nowadays?

If it's a drop and replace with maybe a new harness or whatever then that is more doable.

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The 6.4 Srt crate motor is set up for the cars,so you have to change the timing cover / intake / oil pan / oil pickup tube etc. over to the 5.7 truck parts,then it's a bolt in,and with an unlocked PCM you would be able to tune it with HP