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Greetings. I am new here and am a potential Ram 1500 buyer. I am posting here to learn a little from those that have come before me.

I am looking for a vehicle capable of checking off all my boxes, and I believe a smaller full-size truck is the closest thing available. I plan to use it to commute to work, transport the family around town, and go camping in the mountains on the weekends. I also would use it to haul plywood, sheetrock, and the occasional piece of woodworking machinery. I live in Colorado, so getting around in the mountains and light off-road ability is an additional consideration. I plan to install a cap on the bed to provide further flexibility while camping. Since I don't plan to do much towing, I am most interested in fuel economy and newer safety features. I am also considering the off-road package--most of my "off-road" use would be poor dirt roads over obscure mountain passes, not rock crawling or anything really serious. My only other truck experience is a 2013 GMC Sierra--I used it as a work truck where I put 250,000 miles on it. It appears that trucks have come a long way since then.

With this in mind, I went to the dealership the other day looking to test drive a 2022 Laramie with a 6.5' bed, only to be told that most people don't opt for the full-size bed in a 1500 and that the 2500 was a better fit for a full bed. The salesperson also recommended the ecodiesel over the 6-cylinder turbo powertrain. He claimed the smaller motor would be a dog in the mountains. I am curious if anyone else here has had purchased this truck with similar intentions and would like to learn about other's experiences. I also would like to know if the stock 1500 would suffice for my mountain needs, or if the off-road package is essential. Lastly, I have never owned a diesel vehicle before. Given my needs, would the ecodiesel be a good option or was the salesman just trying to sell me an engine I don't really need? Thank you all in advance for your thoughts!
 
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First off, I would not go diesel, too many headaches, prices right now are
around $1.00 higher per gallon. The I-6 is not available yet in the 2023, so
I would recommend the 5.7 Hemi, non Etorque. Too much complication for
little to no benefit.
That means look for a 2022, there are some on the lots right now.
I will add that I just traded my 2020 1500 with the 5.7 Hemi for a
new 2022, as I wanted to stay with the non-e torque. All the new 2023
gas models will have e- torque. I found a good selection, as some dealers
now have some on the lot, I did not order it.
 

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Sounds to me like a 1500 will suit your needs perfectly. And don't hesitate to get a crew cab with the long bed (6' 7") if your parking requirements allow for a little longer truck.

The ecodiesel is a good engine. Lots of people swear by it. Some have reported having issues with them, but the same can be said about the Hemi. But it does cost more, and diesel fuel is quite a bit more expensive right now in most locations. Maintenance is a little more expensive as well. It's not likely that you'll see the break even point for a few years if you decide on this engine.

I have no experience with the v6 Pentastar engine. Just so you know, it's not a 6 cylinder turbo, it's naturally aspirated. Lots of people swear by this engine as well. The sales rep is feeding you a line about it being a dog in the mountains though. Computer controlled fuel injection systems can easily compensate for elevation differences. I'd avoid this sales rep if I were you. Maybe even find another dealership if this is how they train their sales staff.

I prefer the Hemi. Some people are dead set against the etorque system, but having owned two trucks with that system, I'm not really for or against it. I don't like stop/start, so I disabled that. The other things etorque does makes the driving experience a little nicer IMO. I wouldn't let that sway me in my truck choice. If I had to choose between a truck with etorque, but otherwise had the options I want, or a non-etorque that wasn't equipped with the options I want, I'd get the etorque truck with no hesitation.

Lots of people opted for the 6' 7" bed crew cab configuration. They aren't as popular as the short bed, but there's no reason you shouldn't have that if you want a longer bed. It's likely the sales rep was trying to up sell you to an HD when he told you that a 2500 was better if you want the longer bed.

Good luck with your decision.
 

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@RMChE5280 first off this forum is extremely Hemi biased so don't be surprised if that's all you recommended.
The only turbo charged powerplant in the current Ram line up is the EcoDiesel.
Fuel economy wise neither of the current gassers can touch the EcoDiesel, I've seen picture proof of owners going well over 900 miles on a 33 gallon tank of fuel. Being your in higher elevations the EcoD won't suffer nearly the power loss of a naturally aspirated engine. Sounds like your vehicles don't sit around much, this works well with giving the diesel emissions system time to clean itself. There's been very few complaints about the 3rd gen EcoDiesel power train overall and even with the 2nd gen EcoD the emissions problems were very few. Don't believe what a lot of people will parrot about how unreliable and costly a diesel is to own, most of them have never owned or driven a diesel. Been very happy with mine since I bought it, so have thousands of other EcoDiesel owners.
Other than skid plates there's not much the off-road package if all your driving on is crappy dirt back roads, different story if you'll be traveling on non-road trails off the beaten path.
No reason not to buy a 6.4' bed on the 1500 as it rides so much better than a 2500, that's what mine is 1500 CrewCab w/6.4' bed.
Living in Colorado be sure to order the cold weather package if you decide to go with the EcoDiesel.
 

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I wouldn't buy a diesel just for fuel economy. And it's called EcoDiesel for a reason instead of TowingDiesel IMO.

I'm coming from a 3/4 ton diesel down to my 1500. I loved my diesel but I would only buy one (large initial cost plus higher maintenance/repair costs) if I was using it to work a load. My F-250 was just under 8000 lbs so the diesel was always "loaded", even when I was driving empty.

I was coming from a 7.3L turbo-diesel so cutting my displacement in half was not an option for me so I got the HEMI. If I didn't come from gobs of low-end power I would have easily considered the V-6. Either powerplant will do fine for what you're looking for.

Bed length is a personal preference and wheelbase is what you are willing to deal with...not a function of truck class (LD or HD).

I have the ORG and love it. I thought it was a good deal for what you get and I'm happy with it.

Fuel economy is all relative and you'll get people on each side of the extreme. I've got the HEMI (no eTorque) and get around 15 mpg overall (about 40% highway) and my dad has a '20 Limited with the HEMI (with eTorque) and he gets around 12 mpg overall (90% city). Throw in climate, road conditions, driving habits, and options (added truck weight) and there's no real standard to compare with other owners. They all provide more than enough power and each powerplant has its pros and cons. Do some research, drive some trucks, and see what fits your budget, desires, and lot availability.

Just my .02
 
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What kind of cap are you looking to put on the bed? Fiberglass or maybe one of the framed soft ones? Only asking because you'll lose some cargo capacity with one on...only a 100+ lbs. or so, but if you are looking at a Laramie it might not have a payload/cargo capacity that's very high. The framed soft toppers look cool.....one member has one and looks pretty nice.

Engine preferences....not even going into that. I don't know what creature comforts you maybe interested in, but a Bighorn with the Off Road Group option might be good to go for what you are looking to do. It has a raised ride height and On/Off road tires already.
 

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I went with the off road group, crew cab 6’4” bed as well. 5.7 no eTorque. Had to special order limited this way. Awesome awesome truck, but it is LONG. With my tires on the concrete stops my bed sticks several feet past the painted markings at work and sticks way out. I park to the side to avoid getting crashed in to. It’s that long. Other trucks park normally. At the super market I basically take 2 spaces out at the far side of the lot it’s so long. It doesn’t have a prayer of fitting in my garage length wise but that’s ok, no room anyways. The off road group is a good deal. Locking diff (I wanted for the boat ramp) and skid plates for those errant limbs that fall in your dirt road. It does also come with an extra inch of ride height and supposedly heavier duty shocks and all terrain tires. The ride height means it doesn’t fit in downtown parking garages either. A commuter this truck is not, but I commute in it anyways and love it. Previous truck also a ram 5.7 hemi, but with crew cab and short bed. The extra 9” is a lot both in length and it effects turning radius negatively. I would buy this truck again, it swallows cargo and rides great. If you park in office building lots or garages some, contemplate the long bed very carefully, it’s a much bigger difference than it seems on paper both in terms of cargo ability and maneuvering! I cannot comment on altitude and performance, I live at 400 ft above sea level.
 

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And it's called EcoDiesel for a reason instead of TowingDiesel IMO.
well I'm guessing that no-one told VernDiesel's EcoDiesel that it can't tow. His has over 900K miles mostly towing Airstream trailers across the country and a buddy of his has an EcoD with over 400K doing the same.
I've had an 8K lbs 32' trailer behind mine several times and it does a great job towing. Two fingers on the steering wheel with the cruise set, stable as can be and lives up to it's "eco" moniker fuel wise. Pulled the trailer 250 miles and traveled back 250 miles empty on less than 26 gallons of fuel(capacity of my tank).
 

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OK, here goes
I don't tow, but i have a Class 4 hitch, just in case
I chose the QUAD Cab, but if you have people or children that are close to 5 feet tall, BUY a CREW CAB. no leg room for anyone but Grammar Schoolers in a quad cab

That leaves a 5' 7" bed, not good for couches or plywood, but you can rent or borrow a trailer for those few times that you need something larger
or get the 6' 4" bed

I do like the Ram 1500 Classic body style
The new style Ram, just is not for me

Engine wise, at this time i personally would get either the Eco-diesel or the HEMI without eTorque, that again would not be available with the 2023 Ram new body style

The 2022 Ram Classics are still available, you can get a HEMI without Etorque.
The dealers have not been told which engines will be available with the CLASSIC Rams for 2023

Good Luck !
 

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Greetings. I am new here and am a potential Ram 1500 buyer.
I'm not sure how the 6-cylinder turbo engine got into the conversation with the dealer since that engine isn't scheduled for RAM vehicles anytime soon. Some think it may be offered in 2024 but I don't think it will make it that soon.

Crash68 is right, this forum is HEMI drunk.

I dumped my HEMI for an ECODiesel (the HEMI just used too much gas), I now own two RAM diesels, a 3500 Cummins that does my heavy lifting, and a new 1500 ECODiesel. Earlier versions of the ED had issues but the generation 3 EDs are reliable and robust, offer exceptional MPGs (I just did a trip from Michigan out to South Dakota and back, 2,600 miles round trip, averaged 32.6 MPGs), and plenty of pulling power.

Diesel service is a bit more costly but the service is spaced out further, the oil change interval is 10,000 miles and the fuel filter is 20,000 miles (my 3500 Cummins is 15,000 miles). Dealers are a rip when it comes to the cost for an oil change and do-it-yourselfers like me can service the vehicle for much much less depending on where you buy your filters and oil.

Some will scream the more expensive cost of diesel fuel but it wasn't long ago that diesel was less than gas. Even at current inflated prices, the cost to drive per mile (they always like to compare cost per gallon) in an ED is much less than in a gas guzzler like a HEMI or even the Pentastar 6 banger.

For your application, as described, you would be very happy with a crew cab. If your length of ownership is a few years or a lease, get a gas engine. If you are going to keep the truck like I do, for several years, get the diesel, it will give you a payback. I didn't buy for payback, I just simply love the driving experience of a diesel, low RPMs with a lot of grunt.

Bed length, the longer bed will add parking lot challenges and may add to the cost of a topper over the standard bed. If I am out and about in the 3500, I just park far out and take the walk. The shorter bed, 5'7" versus the longer 6' 4" bed is a 9" difference, it really isn't a big deal.

As far as all the safety and ****-bang tech, look at either the Limited or Limited Longhorn trims. You are more likely to get it all in either of those trims given the "supply chain" issues. I ordered a new Limited Longhorn last November, 8 1/2 weeks late I was driving it home with all the wiz-bang tech. You do not need an off-road package.
 
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Thank you all for your insight--your comments are much appreciated. I have ruled out the HEMI. I know it would be more fun to drive, but my application just doesn't require it. I'll see if I can find the diesel and the 6-banger to test drive in my area. I think I have also ruled out the offroad package due to clearance issues--I will probably pursue the locking rear differential though. I can install skid plates myself at a later date, if needed, and choose a slightly more aggressive tire down the road. I still am interested in the 6'4" bed, and I am looking at a RSI SmartCap for the topper.

I do have one other question for the ECODiesel owners...

My daily commute is about fifteen minutes on a 45 mph road with several stoplights. I would expect to do an hour+- drive let's just say every other weekend. Although I don't drive slowly, I also wouldn't say that I have a lead foot either. With this in mind, do you think I'll have issues related to DPF regeneration?

Thanks again everyone!
 

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well I'm guessing that no-one told VernDiesel's EcoDiesel that it can't tow. His has over 900K miles mostly towing Airstream trailers across the country and a buddy of his has an EcoD with over 400K doing the same.
I've had an 8K lbs 32' trailer behind mine several times and it does a great job towing. Two fingers on the steering wheel with the cruise set, stable as can be and lives up to it's "eco" moniker fuel wise. Pulled the trailer 250 miles and traveled back 250 miles empty on less than 26 gallons of fuel(capacity of my tank).
I commend you guys for hauling in your compression ignition half tons.

I lived the diesel life for 11+ years prior to this. It was a F-250 with a pre-common rail engine and I was able to all the work on it myself and save a lot of labor cost.

I don't tow anything sizeable any more outside of an occasional utility trailer, so a 1/2 ton was more practical. I love the power curve and low end grunt of a diesel over a gas engine but could not justify jumping into common rail, DEF, regen cycles, etc., for fuel economy only.

Others have different priorities and concerns than I do (I am usually in the minority on most things), which is why I ended my original statement with "IMO" ;).

I do not claim to have solid proof, facts, or empirical data of any sort. I only have my experiences from over a decade in the HD/diesel "club" to provide opinions from. I meant no disrespect to any path that people have taken.

There are those out there like you and VernDiesel that can provide a different perspective to help others decide the direction they want to take, especially for those that may not have any experience with the options provided.
 
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One thing that needs to be discussed is using a diesel in the cold north.
We often get -20 to -30, in the winter. Diesels and also the def can give
problems. I talked to a neighbor who has a diesel pickup, he has had
trouble with the def freezing up every winter he has had it. Maybe just
one time each winter, but it is common.
By the way, I am a farmer, and have owned many diesel trucks and tractors.
 

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Thank you all for your insight--your comments are much appreciated. I have ruled out the HEMI. I know it would be more fun to drive, but my application just doesn't require it. I'll see if I can find the diesel and the 6-banger to test drive in my area. I think I have also ruled out the offroad package due to clearance issues--I will probably pursue the locking rear differential though. I can install skid plates myself at a later date, if needed, and choose a slightly more aggressive tire down the road. I still am interested in the 6'4" bed, and I am looking at a RSI SmartCap for the topper.

I do have one other question for the ECODiesel owners...

My daily commute is about fifteen minutes on a 45 mph road with several stoplights. I would expect to do an hour+- drive let's just say every other weekend. Although I don't drive slowly, I also wouldn't say that I have a lead foot either. With this in mind, do you think I'll have issues related to DPF regeneration?

Thanks again everyone!
IMO if you give it a hour plus drive every few weeks you should be okay with the DPF based on my 6.7 CTD.
 

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One thing that needs to be discussed is using a diesel in the cold north.
We often get -20 to -30, in the winter. Diesels and also the def can give
problems. I talked to a neighbor who has a diesel pickup, he has had
trouble with the def freezing up every winter he has had it. Maybe just
one time each winter, but it is common.
By the way, I am a farmer, and have owned many diesel trucks and tractors.
Def tanks have heaters, and the urea/water ratio is chosen because it can freeze, then thaw and keep that ratio.
 

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Greetings. I am new here and am a potential Ram 1500 buyer. I am posting here to learn a little from those that have come before me.

I am looking for a vehicle capable of checking off all my boxes, and I believe a smaller full-size truck is the closest thing available. I plan to use it to commute to work, transport the family around town, and go camping in the mountains on the weekends. I also would use it to haul plywood, sheetrock, and the occasional piece of woodworking machinery. I live in Colorado, so getting around in the mountains and light off-road ability is an additional consideration. I plan to install a cap on the bed to provide further flexibility while camping. Since I don't plan to do much towing, I am most interested in fuel economy and newer safety features. I am also considering the off-road package--most of my "off-road" use would be poor dirt roads over obscure mountain passes, not rock crawling or anything really serious. My only other truck experience is a 2013 GMC Sierra--I used it as a work truck where I put 250,000 miles on it. It appears that trucks have come a long way since then.

With this in mind, I went to the dealership the other day looking to test drive a 2022 Laramie with a 6.5' bed, only to be told that most people don't opt for the full-size bed in a 1500 and that the 2500 was a better fit for a full bed. The salesperson also recommended the ecodiesel over the 6-cylinder turbo powertrain. He claimed the smaller motor would be a dog in the mountains. I am curious if anyone else here has had purchased this truck with similar intentions and would like to learn about other's experiences. I also would like to know if the stock 1500 would suffice for my mountain needs, or if the off-road package is essential. Lastly, I have never owned a diesel vehicle before. Given my needs, would the ecodiesel be a good option or was the salesman just trying to sell me an engine I don't really need? Thank you all in advance for your thoughts!
"camping in the mountains on the weekends."

If you are camping with a Travel Trailer; you should check the payload of the 1500.
 

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I wanted the off road package because of the locking rear differential but you can not get it with the V-6. I have the v-6 with the 3.21 limited slip rear end and get outstanding mileage. Not using it as a work truck or to pull heavy loads (we have a 3/4 ton also) but have seen no reason for the hemi. Averaged over 25 mpg hwy keeping to the 60 mph speed limit and have seen around 24 mpg at 70 mph speeds. I would have no issues with getting it the same if I were to order again.
 

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I will probably pursue the locking rear differential though. I still am interested in the 6'4" bed

I do have one other question for the ECODiesel owners...

My daily commute is about fifteen minutes on a 45 mph road with several stoplights. I would expect to do an hour+- drive let's just say every other weekend. Although I don't drive slowly, I also wouldn't say that I have a lead foot either. With this in mind, do you think I'll have issues related to DPF regeneration?
When I was ordering my 2022 1500, I thought about ordering the 6' 4" bed, and at the last minute I decided not to. Now I regret making that choice even though my 3500 has the 6' 4" bed.

I'd re-think the e-locker, it isn't made for on-road use and you may be happier with a typical 4x4 with an anti-spin rear end.

I don't know if you will have DEF/DPF issues. I read a lot of "stories" folks post about emission system issues but I really have to wonder how much of what is posted is real. for example, in this thread, a post was made about a neighbor that had his DEF freeze. Not even first-hand knowledge and as was pointed out, the DEF tanks are heated so it is a NON-ISSUE. I own 2 diesels, one a 2015 Cummins and now the 2022 ECODiesel. I drove the 2022 last winter and the 3500 winters before that and never had an emissions system issue.

I live in SE Michigan, it gets cold here and throughout the year I make several short trips each week, just under 7 miles one way, not long enough for the engine to reach full temperature on the really cold days. Like you, the wife and I will drive further for shopping where the engine will make temperature. I do not have any indicators that tell me a regen is in progress and I've never detected a regen event on either truck. I've never had an emissions event with either truck, I am 100% stock. I've come to believe that most of the people with issues are the ones that tinker under the hood.
 

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I went with the 2022 Eco diesel and I have no complaints so far. The heaviest thing I’ve towed so far was my boat which is around 3500-4000 pounds and it pulled it with no issues. I recently drove it to the mountains and also can’t complain with how it performed there. When I arrived at my mountain house it said I was averaging 25 miles/gallon and when I arrived back home from the trip I was getting 29.3. Mine is a crew cab short bed and so far it has exceeded my expectations! This is the first Ram truck I have owned and so far so good. The biggest reason I chose this truck over the Chevrolets on the lot was that it had a 3.92 gear ratio and everything else had a 3.23 that I looked at. This makes it better for towing and I thought it would sacrifice fuel mileage but I’m happy to be in the high 20’s as far as fuel mileage goes! I have almost 2000 miles on the truck so far and have used a little over a quarter of the DEF so that really isn’t an issue either. I was told that when you need to fill the DEF up that it is considerably cheaper to fill up at a truck stop pump rather than buying the bottles of fluid.
 
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Greetings. I am new here and am a potential Ram 1500 buyer. I am posting here to learn a little from those that have come before me.

I am looking for a vehicle capable of checking off all my boxes, and I believe a smaller full-size truck is the closest thing available. I plan to use it to commute to work, transport the family around town, and go camping in the mountains on the weekends. I also would use it to haul plywood, sheetrock, and the occasional piece of woodworking machinery. I live in Colorado, so getting around in the mountains and light off-road ability is an additional consideration. I plan to install a cap on the bed to provide further flexibility while camping. Since I don't plan to do much towing, I am most interested in fuel economy and newer safety features. I am also considering the off-road package--most of my "off-road" use would be poor dirt roads over obscure mountain passes, not rock crawling or anything really serious. My only other truck experience is a 2013 GMC Sierra--I used it as a work truck where I put 250,000 miles on it. It appears that trucks have come a long way since then.

With this in mind, I went to the dealership the other day looking to test drive a 2022 Laramie with a 6.5' bed, only to be told that most people don't opt for the full-size bed in a 1500 and that the 2500 was a better fit for a full bed. The salesperson also recommended the ecodiesel over the 6-cylinder turbo powertrain. He claimed the smaller motor would be a dog in the mountains. I am curious if anyone else here has had purchased this truck with similar intentions and would like to learn about other's experiences. I also would like to know if the stock 1500 would suffice for my mountain needs, or if the off-road package is essential. Lastly, I have never owned a diesel vehicle before. Given my needs, would the ecodiesel be a good option or was the salesman just trying to sell me an engine I don't really need? Thank you all in advance for your thoughts!
Without reading all the responses I think you would be a prime candidate for the Outdoorsman if that is still available.
 
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