Death of the Eco-Diesal

HEMIMANN · Sep 15, 2022

turkeybird56 said:
MAZDA,,,, lmao

Picked up a Mazda for wifey - top rated for reliability and quality for mid crossover. Very comfy too. Competitors got too small engines now @ only 1.5L. Can barely get up to speed on highway. We test drove them.

turkeybird56 · Sep 15, 2022

HEMIMANN said:
Picked up a Mazda for wifey - top rated for reliability and quality for mid crossover. Very comfy too. Competitors got too small engines now @ only 1.5L. Can barely get up to speed on highway. We test drove them.

My Motorcycle has a 1.8L Motor, lmao.

huntergreen · Sep 15, 2022

HEMIMANN said:
Picked up a Mazda for wifey - top rated for reliability and quality for mid crossover. Very comfy too. Competitors got too small engines now @ only 1.5L. Can barely get up to speed on highway. We test drove them.

Still happy the performance of the Mazda ?

tidefan1967 · Sep 15, 2022

HEMIMANN said:
Picked up a Mazda for wifey - top rated for reliability and quality for mid crossover. Very comfy too. Competitors got too small engines now @ only 1.5L. Can barely get up to speed on highway. We test drove them.

Mazda car or SUV? I bought my wife a new Camry back in January and it seems peppy enough. It has a NA 2.5 with dual FI mated to Toyotas 8spd Auto. 205 HP seems decent enough for a car this size. Loving the gas mileage for sure over the JGC we traded for it.

runamuck · Sep 15, 2022

that's why we are hanging on to the wife's QX infiniti. 300hp motor and rear wheel drive. runs like a sports car and still gets 25mpg. the new models have sucky 4 banger and front wheel drive.

HEMIMANN · Sep 15, 2022

huntergreen said:
Still happy the performance of the Mazda ?

Yes, they still offer their excellent 2.5L four b*a*n*g*e*r, turbocharged with waste gate (not complicated variable vane), and a real 6 speed tranny - not a bicycle chain CVT drive. Engine is superbly balanced and quiet, pickup is excellent, mileage is decent for AWD = 23 mpg city, 28 mpg highway.

HEMIMANN · Sep 15, 2022

tidefan1967 said:
Mazda car or SUV? I bought my wife a new Camry back in January and it seems peppy enough. It has a NA 2.5 with dual FI mated to Toyotas 8spd Auto. 205 HP seems decent enough for a car this size. Loving the gas mileage for sure over the JGC we traded for it.

Well, it's a crossover, because a true SUV is body-on-frame. Crossovers have unibody frames. Anyway, it's their model CX-5. First foreign (owned) car we've even bought. This has a wastegate turbo with serious balls @ low rpm, unlike all the rest we drove.

Honda CR-V and Chevy Equinox were both excellent and comfy, but both only came with a 1.5L mouse motor. They were real dogs.

hardhat · Sep 15, 2022

Problem is that a bureaucrat passed a law lowering the amount of sulfur in diesel fuel. The sulfur acts as a lubricant for the fuel pump and other parts. Without good lubrication and pumps fail causing thousands of dollars in damages. This is why 84% of HPFP problems are in the US. Are we really the home of the free?

HEMIMANN · Sep 15, 2022

hardhat said:
Problem is that a bureaucrat passed a law lowering the amount of sulfur in diesel fuel. The sulfur acts as a lubricant for the fuel pump and other parts. Without good lubrication and pumps fail causing thousands of dollars in damages. This is why 84% of HPFP problems are in the US. Are we really the home of the free?

Yeah, but now they add supplemental lubricants - so there's double cost - extra refining to take more sulfur out, then pay more to add lubrication back in.

But, wait - there's more!

The solvent stripping process for sulfur ALSO strips some of the heaviest, most energy dense, hydrocarbon fractions out also! Google it if you don't believe it.

So - ULSD is:
1) Double expense
2) Lower power & fuel economy

It's great, ain't it?

GTyankee · Sep 15, 2022

I could not get my copy machine to work, same with my good camera.
So i could not copy the letter i received to the computer

someone else pasted a mini version

FCA Chrysler

fcacommunity.force.com

I received an emissions letter requesting use of my vehicle. What is the In-Use Verification Program?

Answer
The In-Use Verification Program is part of the Federal Clean Air Act. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and California Air Resources Board require manufacturers to periodically test randomly-selected vehicles to ensure the emissions systems continue to function properly. Stellantis engages a contractor to perform this testing.

while they are testing, i would get a Loaner with unlimited mileage, a full tank of gas & $1,000

They would put my eco-diesel on a dynamometer & simulate real life conditions for 100 miles.
The test takes from 3 to 6 weeks & they drive my truck up to the testing area & back, that would be 120 miles each way.
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MY THOUGHTS
( If they would load it on a car hauler, there would not be a complete idiot driving it, i don't trust a Valet to park my truck, i sure would not trust any one to drive it in Los Angeles Traffic
They car tear someone else's truck up )

HEMIMANN · Sep 15, 2022

Federal sniff test via lottery. Feds made states do it for a while - to comply with ozone limits. They did that here in Minnesota for three years in the mid-90's, then stopped because so many junkers were removed from service. That was for gas engines.

What they're doing now is enforcing emission regulation compliance over the mandated period. I'd bet they're also clamping down in in-use deletes, too.

They were planning to do this with off-highway diesels in my industry, too (power generation), PLUS require retrofitting of older diesels with emission reduction equipment, if it could even be done.

Essentially, EPA outlived their mission and started micro-managing and micro-slicing in order to retain their jobs.

tjfdesmo · Sep 15, 2022

hardhat said:
Problem is that a bureaucrat passed a law lowering the amount of sulfur in diesel fuel. The sulfur acts as a lubricant for the fuel pump and other parts. Without good lubrication and pumps fail causing thousands of dollars in damages. This is why 84% of HPFP problems are in the US. Are we really the home of the free?

ULSD only matters for the junk CP4. The CP3 in my old '05 is still working fine for the guy I sold it to with beaucoup miles now, just like zillions of others.

Ratman6161 · Sep 15, 2022

star_deceiver said:
GM may sell you a 1500 diesel but the GM forums are filled with diesel problems. Coolant and rear main seal leaks on brand new trucks. Various emissions sensors that die and shut down the truck with no parts availability. All on very low mileage trucks within the b/b warranty period. That’s a very expensive roll of the dice.

Also, there’s no diesel savings here at the pump…

The other side of the coin is this: ever since there have been internet forums I have never owned a single vehical where the forums were not full of reports of problems. I was first on the internet in 1995 and since then, between my wife and I we have owned Mazda, Subaru, Ford, Dodge, Chevy, GMC, Nissan and Ram. More than one of some (2 each for Subaru, Ford, Chevy and GMC) for a total of 11 vehicals. Every one of them was complete crap if you believe everything you read in forums.

Sorry folks, just felt like I had to get that out there :.

turkeybird56 · Sep 16, 2022

Ratman6161 said:
The other side of the coin is this: ever since there have been internet forums I have never owned a single vehical where the forums were not full of reports of problems. I was first on the internet in 1995 and since then, between my wife and I we have owned Mazda, Subaru, Ford, Dodge, Chevy, GMC, Nissan and Ram. More than one of some (2 each for Subaru, Ford, Chevy and GMC) for a total of 11 vehicals. Every one of them was complete crap if you believe everything you read in forums.

Sorry folks, just felt like I had to get that out there :.

Unless you need a Diesel for work, I would not buy a Diesel again. Just too much issues ref money, MX, fuel issues (only in US), CP4 pumps, EGR issues, DPF, SCR, the list just continues. EPA bout regulated the Diesel to death, just ridiculous. Heck, even when I had my ED, I made sure to continue to put in either Summer/Winter blend of Diesel Kleen for Cetane and Lubricity for the fuel system, wat a ROYAL PITA. Maybe FCA could add a "third" tank where owners have a Cetane/Lubricity Booster in a tank that gets injected into fuel system automatically to help out the end users. FCA? Got it yet?> lol.

turkeybird56 · Sep 16, 2022

Ratman6161 said:
The other side of the coin is this: ever since there have been internet forums I have never owned a single vehical where the forums were not full of reports of problems. I was first on the internet in 1995 and since then, between my wife and I we have owned Mazda, Subaru, Ford, Dodge, Chevy, GMC, Nissan and Ram. More than one of some (2 each for Subaru, Ford, Chevy and GMC) for a total of 11 vehicals. Every one of them was complete crap if you believe everything you read in forums.

Sorry folks, just felt like I had to get that out there :.

I bet you be enjoying that 2500 you have now, LOL. I looked at a few, just too much truck for my needs. MY 19 DT Ram is just a driveway princess these days anyhoooooo. PIC of truck doing t's Gene Kelly Impression (singing in the rain) (which we so much need here)

Freakydude · Sep 16, 2022

huntergreen said:
Thanks EPA!

is the EPA responsible for Stellantis decisions? me thinks its the push to electric that killed the eco not the EPA

turkeybird56 · Sep 16, 2022

Freakydude said:
is the EPA responsible for Stellantis decisions? me thinks its the push to electric that killed the eco not the EPA

BOIRD thinks both actually had a big part and may be the some times questionable reliability. Luck of the draw there. Mine was great, but even I traded in my 2nd Gen for a Hemi, BTBH, my needs changed as not much hard diesel work/towing needed.

tidefan1967 · Sep 16, 2022

Freakydude said:
is the EPA responsible for Stellantis decisions? me thinks its the push to electric that killed the eco not the EPA

They are one in the same!

Raymond1050 · Sep 18, 2022

The only advantage to towing a TT with a EV is you can camp overnight next to a charging station.

HEMIMANN · Sep 18, 2022

turkeybird56 said:
Unless you need a Diesel for work, I would not buy a Diesel again. Just too much issues ref money, MX, fuel issues (only in US), CP4 pumps, EGR issues, DPF, SCR, the list just continues. EPA bout regulated the Diesel to death, just ridiculous. Heck, even when I had my ED, I made sure to continue to put in either Summer/Winter blend of Diesel Kleen for Cetane and Lubricity for the fuel system, wat a ROYAL PITA. Maybe FCA could add a "third" tank where owners have a Cetane/Lubricity Booster in a tank that gets injected into fuel system automatically to help out the end users. FCA? Got it yet?> lol.

You ain't-a-kidding, BOIRD. I was Product Line Manager for the EPA transitions for industrial diesels in the 90's-00's for Cummins. We must have gone through a total of 50 or so engine changes for all the EPA power bands from Tier 1 to Tier IV Final. It was godawful.

Seeing what EPA mandated, I jumped the gun and got a Tier II tractor so's I didn't need to change a diaper and add DEF. Tier II was the optimal balance of emission reduction and cost increase - it went downhill quickly from there to the current (& continuing!) Tier IVf science fair that once was a diesel engine.

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