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2018 Ram quad with 5.7 . When diving at around 43 MPH it feels like vibration (small but noticeable) Speed up a bit and it goes away. Took it to West Herr Dodge in Lockport NY and they duplicated the issue but said it's "normal" for the 8-6-4 system in the 5.7 to do this. Also said a mechanic had the same issue and it can get worse with time. (39,600 miles) I am going to another dealer as I don't believe this because when traveling at 43 mph and I manually downshift from 8th to 7th the vibration goes away. It's like a 4 speed manual trans lugging in 4th at 15 mph.

So the question is...has anyone here experienced this ? Is this common ? Any forecasts on the longevity of the trans with this issue ? Thanks to all in advance.
 

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Have you tried turning the MDS system off ...then duplicating the acceleration you normally see it at, to see if it indeed is gone under the same conditions?

What gas octane fuel are you running?
 
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MDS ? 89...Not an engine ping. Any acceleration takes it away or even slowing down more takes it away. It's at a constant 43-45
 

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take it out of 8th gear, either go to 7th gear or push the Tow/Haul button
Then take the speed up to where you have been seeing the vibration

either choice with not allow MDS to engage
it other words, it will not shift down to 4th gear

To simplify it, when you are driving on a flat highway, your Ram is in Drive, but actually, if you are holding a steady speed, you are in 4th gear
 
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7th takes the issue away as I stated in original post. I know how to defeat it BUT why should one have to put up with this issue. I'm asking if other's have this also...is this common....I'm not interested in how to manually get rid of it...My 2 cents is a truck this expensive shouldn't have issues at any speed with under 40,000 miles
 
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What is MDS Mode ? I manually shifted to 7th..as written previously, and it goes away instantly...I'm not in favor of manually shifting all the time or when at 40 to 45 mph. Something is messed up here.
 

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2018 Ram quad with 5.7 . When diving at around 43 MPH it feels like vibration (small but noticeable) Speed up a bit and it goes away. Took it to West Herr Dodge in Lockport NY and they duplicated the issue but said it's "normal" for the 8-6-4 system in the 5.7 to do this. Also said a mechanic had the same issue and it can get worse with time. (39,600 miles) I am going to another dealer as I don't believe this because when traveling at 43 mph and I manually downshift from 8th to 7th the vibration goes away. It's like a 4 speed manual trans lugging in 4th at 15 mph.

So the question is...has anyone here experienced this ? Is this common ? Any forecasts on the longevity of the trans with this issue ? Thanks to all in advance.
MDS is Multi Displacement System. What your mechanic referred to as 8-6-4. (I don't think there is a "6" in MDS however.)
It is a system that drops 4 cylinders when power is not required. Supposedly a fuel saver. You'll notice the ECO light when MDS is activated and at certain speeds and power settings a slight shutter is normal. Annoying but normal.
When you manually select 7th gear this deactivates the MDS and the motor operates on all 8 cylinders and the shudder goes away. Normal.
This is my simple understanding of the system. Good luck.
 
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Now there is a reply that explains things nicely. Now....is this common on all years with "MDS"
Could it be the tranny should not engage in 8th until after 45mph...IE shift points? I have owned mopars for years and all of My other trucks had 4 speeds. First mopar with automatic and I'm not thrilled with this issue. The original dealer stated it could get worse than it is now. How does that make a person feel out of factory warranty ? Lol. Thanks again
 

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From what I remember reading from a guy who "hypermiled" a '15 ecodiesel, right around 45-52 the truck "does" things to swap from non-highway to highway to try and save some dinosaur squeezings. MDS kicks in, I think the "active shutter" system might do something, if your truck has the ability to adjust the ride height, it tweaks it a little...

To add to what David H said above, I don't think it is "8th" gear, as I have had that kick in REAL low on my '18 (with 69k on it as of yesterday), like mid 30MPH I think sometimes, but the MDS system. MDS is the current belief on why the 4th gen Hemi has a "habit" of eating cam shafts, as it screws with the oil flow as well. Most of us before we shell out for a proper delete, turn it off with the "GEAR -/+" button, and I don't see ANY difference in mileage. If anything, I think I might get slightly better with it off.

The Tow/Haul button tanks my mileage basically the instant I hit it. And I don't like how the truck drives in Tow/Haul for a daily.
 
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would be nice if there is a "factory" solution. I wonder how many have this issue and don't know it. I talked to a friend this morning about his 2019 and he says He has the same issue with a lot less miles.
 

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It's not an issue...it is how the truck is designed to operate. MDS kicks in when it can run on 4 cylinders, and this gives the engine a rough feeling. Options have been given to you on how to make it not happen. Put it in 8th gear and leave it there when you start up, or tow/haul mode.
 

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I can't tell how much 'shudder' you're feeling ..if it's beyond what mine has (very little) ...from sitting here at my computer desk. Maybe your shudder is more than some of us other guys experience in our pickups. But since you indicate it goes away when put in 7th that means that it's definitely there. Maybe yours is slightly worse than what mine feels. Mine has some, I just know from experience when it would normally occur and at that point I generally pre-kick the throttle down and it usually kicks it off w/o the shudder. And for local driving I just put mine in the lower gear.

Maybe it's worth (despite what the mechanic advised -- maybe he just didn't want to 'get into it' on your truck) look at some basics. Pull your truck's spark plugs out for inspection and ohm them out, in case some are worn or one has a cracked porcelean or damaged internally. Sure plugs could work 'mostly' but at times a damaged one may not spark well and lead to a shudder. And spark plugs can fail. Even brand new ones out of the box can be dead sometimes ...out of the box! (had it happen 2x). New spark plugs sometimes fall onto the shop floor during installation. Mechanic picks it up ..blows it off, looks around (good, nobody saw my mistake!!) ...and installs it in the engine (maybe it broke internally??). Inspect each plug as it's removed. They tell a story. Note the color and condition. A very clean plug could indicate a bad headgasket. An oil-fouled plug could indicate a bad valve guide/ring and so on. And while you're at it, also ohm out the coils. They can go flaky or get weak as well, regardless of age. Either the coils or the plugs are simple and cheap repairs which could *definitely* definitely cause a greater amt of shudder feel.

Secondly, if it were me, and I had all the spark plugs out of my engine, and I was trying to get to the bottom of a shudder problem, I would take the extra 1/2 hour and perform a complete compression test (engine warm of course). It's hardly any extra effort while the plugs are out (only one plug removed from each cylinder). Write down the results of each cylinder and compare them to each plug, per it's cylinder. Doing these things you can begin to rule out possibilities. That's called basic troubleshooting.

It's entirely possible your engine has developed low compression on one cylinder, or a burnt valve, a cracked injector o-ring, or maybe a failing head gasket. For example, on my DD (not the Ram) while doing the plugs I did a compression test and discovered one of my cylinders is quite low on compression. It seems to be a burnt valve. Looking at the scanner, I DO get quite a few misfire counts on that cylinder at idle, but not enough to cross the threashold and light the "Check Engine" light. And during normal driving I can't tell there's a low cylinder. But it does have low compression on one cylinder, that's a fact. That's the kind of thing you would like to know about if it exists on your pickup engine.

Another thing you might do is to run a can of injector cleaner in your next tankful. And do a vacuum test ...clean or replace your truck's MAF sensor. Ensure the PCV is good, the hoses aren't cracked or rodent-chewed (it happens!!), and the snorkle from the air filter box to the throttle body is on tight and 'right'. I've seen it before where a previous mechanic installed the rubber snorkel quick and folded it under the clamp at the throttle body (you can't see back there) ...and therefore it was sucking in some 'fresh' air which was not going by the Mass Airflow Sensor (MAF) ...which was thus throwing the computer's fuel/air off a little. Is the throttle blade carbon'd up? (that's an often overlooked maintenance task). Has the temperature sensor drifted a little (that would throw off the air/fuel)? Of course make sure your truck's air filter is clean (no mice nests underneath it). If you're running 87 gas, try running 89/91 and see if that helps.

So, there are a number of things that could contrubute to excessive shudder which you could check and rule out before condemning your pickup. Just because the mechanic said, "They all do that" ...that's one mechanic's opinion. Maybe he was up to his eyeballs in good-paying work, and didn't want to spend umpteen amount of time chasing a ghost that might or might not be there. Mechanic's like quick/easy repairs that pay money ...replace this part, BOOM...out the door, get paid ..NEXT please! Long troubleshooting work like this might or might not lead to improved driving, and how many times does he want the customer to keep coming back complaining when he's working flat-rate? (not getting paid the 2nd time)? And customers really complain when they pay for 4 hours of inspection labor and the problem doesn't get resolved. So, that could be one reason he didn't want to take on that job.

In summary, it might not be a bad idea to check some of the things I've outlined above to rule shudder-possibilities out. That's what I would do if it were my truck.
 
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Heck, your particular vibration, may be caused by MDS & a tire separating

We are not there to experience it
 
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would be nice if there is a "factory" solution. I wonder how many have this issue and don't know it. I talked to a friend this morning about his 2019 and he says He has the same issue with a lot less miles.
It isn't an "issue", if it is MDS. There isn't anything wrong with your or your friends truck so you both can rest easy.
The factory solution is to just drive it and not worry about it as there isn't anything amiss.

One thing I would worry about though - the person who told you it is the 8-6-4 system - as they obviously don't know what they are talking about. It is 8-4 in approx. 2-3 engine revolutions.

About the only thing about the system that can get worse with time is the motor mount rubber becoming harder and transmitting more through to the chassis.

It isn't a transmission thing, so rest easy as far as it hurting the transmission. You are simply feeling the engine running on 4 cylinders vs. 8 cylinders.

You can also turn up the radio and add some bass to it and pretty much hide the very minor engine vibration :)
 

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I see it mentioned that you select 7th gear and it turns off MDS. I know on my 2019 gen 4 that if I select 8th gear it turns of MDS. The MDS under light loading can give a slight "shuddering" feel. If you select 8th gear, i.e. MDS off, and it still does it it would point toward T-converter lockup issue. If it only happens in MDS then its "somewhat" normal. However there are vibration dampeners on your frame that are supposed to minimize this feeling.
 
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Thanks...Ran it in 8th and there was no vibration/shudder so I "assume" this is normal from all the info supplied. Normal but I don't like it.
 

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Mds or eco mode makes mine do the same vibrations and I’m of the opinion that it’s damaging to all motor mounts right down to lighting.
 
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possibly...been a mopar guy since 1965....had a silverado before this Ram...I think I'm going to look at another Silverado
 

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2018 Ram quad with 5.7 . When diving at around 43 MPH it feels like vibration (small but noticeable) Speed up a bit and it goes away. Took it to West Herr Dodge in Lockport NY and they duplicated the issue but said it's "normal" for the 8-6-4 system in the 5.7 to do this. Also said a mechanic had the same issue and it can get worse with time. (39,600 miles) I am going to another dealer as I don't believe this because when traveling at 43 mph and I manually downshift from 8th to 7th the vibration goes away. It's like a 4 speed manual trans lugging in 4th at 15 mph.

So the question is...has anyone here experienced this ? Is this common ? Any forecasts on the longevity of the trans with this issue ? Thanks to all in advance.
I have a 2022 limited series doing the same thing, the dealer told me it’s my imagination they all do it, scince I just went through 2 new chevys with engine failure I’m going to dump this pos before it cost me and go to Toyota
 
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