EcoDiesel Discontinued.

1shadowsabre said:

Buy one with confidence and enjoy, the platform is still going to be available in Jeeps for a while! Life is too short..

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I bought a 1500 instead of a Gladiator w/ EcoDiesel because, every road test I read stated the transmission programing was not changed between the two and the Gladiator's day to day drivability sufferd for it.
A 21 diesel Gladiator was not available when I bought my 21 1500 so I dont have a "hands on" comparison. They may have resolved the issue with the 22's or 23's.

Last weekend I drove 10 hours up in the mountains on a round trip of 560 miles. I used 7/8 tank of fuel, with an estimated 110 miles remaining before full empty. This was without a load or trailer, of course.

Love my ecodiesel.

huntergreen said:

My guess would be they are are going to focus placing the eco diesel in countries that are less emission restricted as opposed to the R&D costs need to satisfy the up coming stricter EPA requirements here in the states.

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^This.

Even a fantastic redesigned diesel can suddenly become illegal to use in new production vehicles the very next year, requiring another redesign.

The cat and mouse game between new Diesel engines and new emissions regulations is getting VERY expensive, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see many other Diesel engines under 5 liters get retired from the market due to rising costs in the next few years.

Kenobi said:

Last weekend I drove 10 hours up in the mountains on a round trip of 560 miles. I used 7/8 tank of fuel, with an estimated 110 miles remaining before full empty. This was without a load or trailer, of course.

Love my ecodiesel.

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I liked my 2015 ED also, but it was a Gen 2 with lots of pending issues and hidden potential problems. BTBH, I had no problems, my towing needs changed so I went to a Hemi. My 2015 ran well, but the Hemi was a good trade up and worked for me. If I was towing, I might reconsider, but GM has that great 3.0 Duramax (junk) out, and the Turbo 2.7L gas out like Ford. I cannot ever see buying a 6,000 lb truck with a 2.7L turbo ne thing, but that is just my lowly opinion.

Siff said:

^This.

Even a fantastic redesigned diesel can suddenly become illegal to use in new production vehicles the very next year, requiring another redesign.

The cat and mouse game between new Diesel engines and new emissions regulations is getting VERY expensive, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see many other Diesel engines under 5 liters get retired from the market due to rising costs in the next few years.

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Between EPA and CARB, they have regulated the Diesel in vehicles (not talking Commercial Rigs etc), to a pre-mature retirement, IMHO...

turkeybird56 said:

I liked my 2015 ED also, but it was a Gen 2 with lots of pending issues and hidden potential problems. BTBH, I had no problems, my towing needs changed so I went to a Hemi. My 2015 ran well, but the Hemi was a good trade up and worked for me. If I was towing, I might reconsider, but GM has that great 3.0 Duramax (junk) out, and the Turbo 2.7L gas out like Ford. I cannot ever see buying a 6,000 lb truck with a 2.7L turbo ne thing, but that is just my lowly opinion.

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Even if the truck was electric (with a battery break through giving a 500 mile range when towing at max load) and the 2.7 turbo was just a range extender doubling the range (to 1000 miles at max tow capacity)?

Kenobi said:

Last weekend I drove 10 hours up in the mountains on a round trip of 560 miles. I used 7/8 tank of fuel, with an estimated 110 miles remaining before full empty. This was without a load or trailer, of course.

Love my ecodiesel.

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Mine has a 33 gallon tank. I/A town with a fill up the system will show 800+ miles to empty. If I fill up on a trip with highway driving, the system will show in the high 900+ miles remaining to empty. Good Times!

jwrich4 said:

Mine has a 33 gallon tank. I/A town with a fill up the system will show 800+ miles to empty. If I fill up on a trip with highway driving, the system will show in the high 900+ miles remaining to empty. Good Times!

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Kinda wish I had the 33 gallon instead of 26. I might look into upgrading that next year.

Siff said:

Even if the truck was electric (with a battery break through giving a 500 mile range when towing at max load) and the 2.7 turbo was just a range extender doubling the range (to 1000 miles at max tow capacity)?

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The issue I have with EV is battery price and how will the old batteries be reutilized, disposed of?
I had a co-worker who was an early Prius owner, she loved the car! I don't remember how long she had it but I do remember her being "all tore up" one day and asking what happened. She was crying because of how much it was going to cost to replace her battery as it was at EOL. I know some early Tesla owners who have taken loans to replace the dead batteries in their cars. Will replacement costs come down, most likely. Won't be in my lifetime or my children's lifetime.
Then there is the issue of what is the process for reutilizing or disposing of the massive toxic battery cells? There are a couple of Ted Talks that specifically address this concern.

Kenobi said:

Kinda wish I had the 33 gallon instead of 26. I might look into upgrading that next year.

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Take a look at it, I have NO regrets. Well, back when diesel was at $6.00 a gallon earlier this year. I justified it with "buy once, cry once".

jwrich4 said:

The issue I have with EV is battery price and how will the old batteries be reutilized, disposed of?
I had a co-worker who was an early Prius owner, she loved the car! I don't remember how long she had it but I do remember her being "all tore up" one day and asking what happened. She was crying because of how much it was going to cost to replace her battery as it was at EOL. I know some early Tesla owners who have taken loans to replace the dead batteries in their cars. Will replacement costs come down, most likely. Won't be in my lifetime or my children's lifetime.
Then there is the issue of what is the process for reutilizing or disposing of the massive toxic battery cells? There are a couple of Ted Talks that specifically address this concern.

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It’s impossible to know when this will improve, or how much it will improve, so we can only make purchases based on the current state.

I specifically added the battery break through with long range, as that would be my deal breaker; once they reach that point in capacity, it is my hope that they get better at reducing costs and improving recycling.

As it is now, costs on batteries have already gone down by an order of magnitude over the last 15 years, so a battery of equal capacity in a new EV today is much cheaper to replace then the one in the original Prius’s. Still too expensive IMHO, but promising in that it may drop another order of magnitude by 2035 making the prices very reasonable.

In addition, the elements and minerals in the battery are very reusable; the problem is safely and efficiently removing and separating them to reuse. If we can finally crack the cold fusion equation, reusing those batteries would be trivial, as the biggest cost in recycling them is the energy needed to process them.

Another possibility is using a different battery tech that is much easier to recycle. We already have batteries made to be recycled very easily, but the capacity is too low to make them viable. Advancements could make Lithium obsolete, replaced with abundant and easy to recycle materials, which would solve the cost and recycling issue simultaneously.

I wouldn’t buy an EV for my needs today, but I will not state that I will never buy one as they are getting better everyday.

Siff said:

Even if the truck was electric (with a battery break through giving a 500 mile range when towing at max load) and the 2.7 turbo was just a range extender doubling the range (to 1000 miles at max tow capacity)?

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Nope. NO EV for dis BOIRD, and that battery break through does not exist. Adding another engine in a truck where it was supposed to go away and just be batteries is hilarious. I watched a TFL video with a EF-150 with the optional 320 mile battery pack and a Denali, both pulling a 6,000 lb trailer. The battery truck made 87 miles and limped to a charging station. My thought was: Put a 4300 watt gas generator in the bed of every EV and let that Generator charge the batteries while driving, maybe U get lucky. The battery thing another fad, popular in some circles, but not gonna work unless U were driving a Prius around town, IMHO. I could not even see taking a 200 mile trip in a battery full size truck, no load, just 100 degrees out with the AC on High, and trying that trip, just not gonna happen. Maybe the technology be there some day, but I be long gone before that.

Me thinks I'll just run MY 19 till the tires fall off then glue them back on with a Gorilla Glue.

All above my own very lowly humble pie opinion.

ADDED: May be why I have a propane generator system at house and not a Battery system.

CAVEAT: I do have a battery operated weed whacker, got tired of mixing oil and gas.

jwrich4 said:

The issue I have with EV is battery price and how will the old batteries be reutilized, disposed of?
I had a co-worker who was an early Prius owner, she loved the car! I don't remember how long she had it but I do remember her being "all tore up" one day and asking what happened. She was crying because of how much it was going to cost to replace her battery as it was at EOL. I know some early Tesla owners who have taken loans to replace the dead batteries in their cars. Will replacement costs come down, most likely. Won't be in my lifetime or my children's lifetime.
Then there is the issue of what is the process for reutilizing or disposing of the massive toxic battery cells? There are a couple of Ted Talks that specifically address this concern.

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Seriously DITTO on above statement, so true !!!!!!!! Strip mining land to make batteries, and then wat do U do with all the leftover stuff? Just like green energy, all right in small amounts, not gonna run a city, U need Gas Generators or Nuclear. Maybe in the future, a long long time from now all get better.

RAINCO said:

Ok bud. Great job moderating BTW.
Thanks for keeping us all educated b/c no one could ever have a different experience than you, right?

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Dude, chill. You're embarrassing Texas.

All you EV Owners down in Florida
Likely have not given thought to Charging your EV

You can't go from Miami to East Georgia on one battery charge

Just like your neighbor with a gasoline powered vehicle have not topped off their tank & the line at the gas station is going to be around the block

I will be watching Florida on the weather report
& the last minute traffic heading north

crash68 said:

Why do people feel the need to make things up or parrot information they have no idea if it's even true.
There's quite a few EcoDiesel engines that have well surpassed the 150K and 200K mile mark. Several have surpassed the 300K to 400K mile mark and one out of Canada that's topped over 500K miles.

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As a no confidence owner of a 2015 where the engine seized at 104,226 miles, full dealer maintenance records and zero sympathy from Ram, I endured the sunk cost and purchased a new engine. To add insult to injury the new engine came with only a 6-month warrenty.

Well that just made the decision for me.. Was looking at a 2014 at the local dealer for a price that i thought was to good for a diesel. Now i see why they are trying to unload it on someone..

RAINCO said:

In 10 years the whole country will be stopped with the push of a button when everything is electric. Electric has never been about the environment and always been about control and making
Chic oms rich.

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And it goes like this: "Paranoia will destroy 'ya" !!!

- Ray Davies, The Kinks

zrock said:

Well that just made the decision for me.. Was looking at a 2014 at the local dealer for a price that i thought was to good for a diesel. Now i see why they are trying to unload it on someone..

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14 is a Gen 2, and early at that. Luck of the draw if you get a good one or one that will have issues. Just depends. Some of the ED's have gone to like 400,000 miles, others, well they changed their name to the acronym "Ford", so do your due diligence before U get into a ED, especially if not going to be worked (GG) vs working Diesel. Just my very lowly humble opinion.

50,000 mostly trouble free miles on my 2021 EcoD. 60% of the miles are towing, heavy duty towing at that.

I would not buy a Gen 2 EcoDiesel. No way, no how. There is a reason they made so many changes to the Gen 3 engine. And you can read all about it here and on other sites.

I suspect they are discontinuing the Gen 3 engine because diesel has gotten more expensive, so they aren't selling as well.

Get the Gen 3 EcoD. Order it now. You won't be sorry. Otherwise get gas or the 2500 diesel.