Sag

ski the whites · Nov 1, 2022

I've had F150s for the last 15 or so years. I bought a 2022 Laramie with the 3.92 rear. I was surprised at the amount of sag when hitches to my TT. It's a TT with a dry weight around 5400lbs. The power is great, it'll move, my question is; is significant sag anticipated? I heard rams sag a lot, it does more then my Ford did, but the Ford had a smaller rear. I've heard from 2 different people, one says it looks fine, the other said helper springs are needed. Just looking for advice from other ram owners with more experience with them. Thank you

OC455 · Nov 1, 2022

That's the difference between the Ford's leaf springs, vs. the Ram's coil springs in the rear. You could look at some air springs (Timber Grove ASAM/Air Lift air springs) to help out.

Wire4money · Nov 1, 2022

A weight distribution hitch will solve that.

ski the whites · Nov 1, 2022

Wire4money said:
A weight distribution hitch will solve that.

Got one. Forgot to mention that

Irishthreeper · Nov 1, 2022

That looks like a lot of sag to me. I’d make sure your WDH is set up right and maybe install some airbags.

Elvira · Nov 1, 2022

ski the whites said:
I've had F150s for the last 15 or so years. I bought a 2022 Laramie with the 3.92 rear. I was surprised at the amount of sag when hitches to my TT. It's a TT with a dry weight around 5400lbs. The power is great, it'll move, my question is; is significant sag anticipated? I heard rams sag a lot, it does more then my Ford did, but the Ford had a smaller rear. I've heard from 2 different people, one says it looks fine, the other said helper springs are needed. Just looking for advice from other ram owners with more experience with them. Thank you

Sadly the difference between the coil spring and the leaf spring. You get a little more sag with coils but get a better ride. The leaf set-up is better for weight carrying but much stiffer for ride. Cost wise after your WDH is set up properly, you could use the air bag's that fit inside the coils. They do work and would cure your sag. If you wish a better way to go, you could replace coils on the rear with an actual air bag lift. Much more expensive with the same results though. Picture is illustration only, not a product push.

jawzs2 · Nov 1, 2022

You could also look into replacing the springs themselves. I used the TTC-1223V on my 2010 with my old TT, in combination with a WDH, they worked great, they have other options as well - install and forget about them

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CanuckRam1313 · Nov 1, 2022

As many have already said, if you haul/tow more frequently than not, you could look at a variable rate rear spring, and/or an air-bag helper set up like Air Lift.

A friend of mine got a beefier rear spring for his Ram and then put in the Air Lift bags as he tows his 5th wheel camper in the summer. He still has a comfy ride that doesn't rattle his guts going over train tracks or washboard country roads like traditional leaf springs do when he's not hauling and/or towing.

It is a tad stiffer though, but the trade off for a proper safe and level ride when hauling and/or towing is worth it, for him anyways.

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SniperDroid · Nov 2, 2022

Did you re adjust your WDH going from the Ford to the Ram? If not, you probably need to do that first. That may take out the sag without any modification to the suspension.

Wire4money · Nov 2, 2022

ski the whites said:
Got one. Forgot to mention that

Then it’s not set up right.

ski the whites · Nov 2, 2022

SniperDroid said:
Did you re adjust your WDH going from the Ford to the Ram? If not, you probably need to do that first. That may take out the sag without any modification to the suspension.

It appears there's no difference from the Ford to ram. I followed my WDH directions too, so I'm somewhat confident it's set up properly. Even drove to my TT dealer and they said it looks right, even with the sag

Farmer Fran · Nov 2, 2022

Wire4money said:
Then it’s not set up right.

This. With a properly setup WDH you should not have sag

SniperDroid · Nov 2, 2022

ski the whites said:
It appears there's no difference from the Ford to ram. I followed my WDH directions too, so I'm somewhat confident it's set up properly. Even drove to my TT dealer and they said it looks right, even with the sag

The last person to trust is the TT Dealer. He doesn't care, it's not his Rig, and he's not driving it down the road. He's a salesman that will tell what he thinks you want to hear. The suspension on the trucks is different. The length axle to axle is different, the hitch height is different, so the adjustments on the WDH are going to be different. There should be no squat in the rear end if the WDH is doing it's job.

crash68 · Nov 2, 2022

ski the whites said:
It appears there's no difference from the Ford to ram. I followed my WDH directions too, so I'm somewhat confident it's set up properly.

I'm guessing your WDH stated to measure the front wheel well height before hooking up the trailer, then to adjust the hitch to get the front back down to that height with the trailer attached?
The ideal way to set a WDH is using a semi CAT scale. You get the truck and trailer fully loaded up and weigh the truck and trailer. Then drop the trailer and weigh just the truck. These weight measurements will show you how much weight your transferring and the tongue percentage. Typically you want to return all the front axle weight and the rear axle should be heavier than the fronts.

Wire4money · Nov 2, 2022

ski the whites said:
It appears there's no difference from the Ford to ram. I followed my WDH directions too, so I'm somewhat confident it's set up properly. Even drove to my TT dealer and they said it looks right, even with the sag

Setting it up means the front and rear drop an equal amount (or within an inch on my r3). If the back goes down considerably more than the front, there is not enough weight being transferred to the front.

bborzell · Nov 3, 2022

My camper has a GW rating of 5,000 lbs. I installed a set of Sumo Springs for those times when I didn’t use the WDH such as driving to the nearest dump station and the like. They took out most of the sag.

With the WDH on and set up according to instructions (Blue Ox SwayPro) there is no sag. Trailer is level and the clearance from tire to top of fender well is the same from front to rear wheels on the RAM.

About tree fiddy · Nov 3, 2022

Like others said, readjust your WDH. No need to buy springs or bags. That TT is perfect for your truck so a WDH adjustment is all you need.

rmill · Nov 3, 2022

I had a slight sag even after WDH set up, yes it was properly set up, that was just enough to bug me so installed Timbrens (200ish) and replaced stock bump stops. They work great and leveled truck out.

Robeffy · Nov 3, 2022

SniperDroid said:
Did you re adjust your WDH going from the Ford to the Ram? If not, you probably need to do that first. That may take out the sag without any modification to the suspension.

Ya, I agree, the hitch will solve all the problems, its not setup right.

Farmer Fran said:
This. With a properly setup WDH you should not have sag

Read up on how to set up the hitch, the front and rear of the truck should drop by the same amount, when you have the correct load on the spring bars. You may need to get stronger bars?

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