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I have recently purchased a 7700 lb travel trailer to tow with my 2020 Ram 1500 Hemi 5.7. I have the heavy duty weight distribution hitch system which has pretty much taken care of the truck squat issues. My question is while it handles well on the road, when I hit bigger bumps and swells in the road the suspension feels a little spongy. I was thinking of installing spring helpers on the leaf springs. Any suggestions or feedback?
 
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Oops. Just remembered I have coil springs. Do the assist bumpers help? Pros/cons
 

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Sounds like your complaint is not enough dampening. Quality shocks will help with that. If it is leveled out nicely with the weight distribution hitch then you wouldn't need more spring. But if you're getting alot of up/down movement on bumps then you need to slow that down with good shocks.
 

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What WDH do you have? One issue could be too big or too small spring bars. Or improper tongue weight
 

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I have recently purchased a 7700 lb travel trailer to tow with my 2020 Ram 1500 Hemi 5.7. I have the heavy duty weight distribution hitch system which has pretty much taken care of the truck squat issues. My question is while it handles well on the road, when I hit bigger bumps and swells in the road the suspension feels a little spongy. I was thinking of installing spring helpers on the leaf springs. Any suggestions or feedback?

Could be a lot of issues:

Tires - wrong load rating; underinflated

Shocks - worn

TT tires underinflated

Weight distribution hitch - not the right capacity
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since you mentioned 'squat' I'd start with the tires.
 

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On both of my 1500's I installed AirLift 1000 in-coil helper bags. They firmed up the rear end while towing my TT. No more bounce. And they're cheap at $100.

There's no amount of fiddling with the WDH or load balance that will negate those soft coil springs on the 1500. You have several options, air bags, stiffer shocks or extended bump stops.
 

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I fixed my sponge issue by using a WDH with chains instead of trunion bars. The bars on a WDH also act as springs, so now you have both the coil suspension and the trunion bars bouncing and they play off eachother.

Once I switched to Anderson, the sponge went away. There is no bounce anymore inside the hitch itself, so that just leaves the coils in the Ram.
 

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I fixed my sponge issue by using a WDH with chains instead of trunion bars. The bars on a WDH also act as springs, so now you have both the coil suspension and the trunion bars bouncing and they play off eachother.

Once I switched to Anderson, the sponge went away. There is no bounce anymore inside the hitch itself, so that just leaves the coils in the Ram.

Also this. Love my Andersen hitch.
 

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You can replace the springs with stiffer ones as well. I used TufTruck springs on my last truck and they worked great without really changing the ride quality.
 

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OP this is the biggest down side to half tons and the root of most of the handling problems with them while towing heavy travel trailers. You left out one of the biggest factors and that is the length of your trailer. But guessing by the weight your at least 30 feet in length. With that yes your weight distribution hitch matters but I don't think will solve all of your issues unless you have a cheapo WD hitch. If so that is the best place to start. Anderson is probably the best value but I would recommend a Weigh Safe WD hitch system. Otherwise it's air bags and shocks. You can go with a stiffer set of rear springs but you'll have a firm ride when not towing. Air bags you can adjust the ride accordingly.
 

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Bump Stops are just that, they stop you fro hitting the bumpers by raising the bumpers. So you are riding on the bump stops, which is riding on the axle. Not much suspension coming into play, to smooth out those harsh road conditions, when under a load and all the force is felt through the truck., Think no springs or shocks because that is basically what is going on.

Air bags function by adding air pressure, to a bag, which absorbs that harsh road conditions causing suspension travel from allowing that ravel to be as great. Much preferable to bump stops, riding on the trucks drive train or frame, as the trucks shocks and springs are stilll allowed to function, as Road Force dampeners.Preventing that spine jarring ride that bump stops can and usually provide. Negative to air bags is each bag must have its own air line, If bags share an air lien then the air will travel , form bag to bag, when sway is introduced, exaggerating that sway and making for an even ore unsafe condition. SO, two air lines, one for each bag Fixes that potential trap.

Other huge negative about air bags is they have a potential for failure. Each connection, from air nozzle to bag, can fail/leak & bag itself can fail.If one side is not functioning, then the system itself is no longer functioning and this always happens at the worst possible time.

For about the same cost as air bags, and about the same amount of effort to install, you can go with physical. actual;y metal springs. Multiple possibilities, dependent upon what you desire, need or preference. Can keep OEM ride, when unloaed or lightly loaded, with a progressive rate spring. Pregressive rate springs have a rate of compression, at the top of the spring, that changes to a stiffer rate of compression, towards the middle of the spring.

When you look at the spring, it will have greater distance between the coils, at the top, then the coils will 'tighten up' ,near the middle, all the way to the end.

Constant rate springs are just that, a constant rate of compression throughout the spring.

OEM Progressive rate springs will add about 50% more weight bearing than actual OEM springs currently on your truck, this h elps to ereduce Squat and that spongy sensation as you travel. However, the spring will squat, similar to OEM springs, when under light loads, this is due toteh progressiveness that keeps that OEM Ride. When heavier payload weight is applied, they really shine. Your Trailer will squat much less.

Constant rate springs hardly squat, at all, when compared to OEM springs, However, the ride, when unloaded will not be as smooth. THink 3/4 ton type of ride.
When loaded, they perform almost exactly like the Progressive rate spring, since both are rated, essentially, for the same amount of total weight.

Another option is Stiffer SHocks. again, this will affect unloaded Ride. Current shocks are softer and absorb more than a stiffer shock will. You are going to feel more cracks between the road panels than you did before.

Bottom line, there is simply no way to keep that unloaed OEM Ride and stiffen up the suspension to handle trailer pulling. Other than air bags, hwich can be deflated, compeltely, ANother positive for them but, in my opinion, the negatives far outwieght those positives, to have air bags being the first line of defense, so to speak.

which raises another point.

WHich way to go and what order.

In my own experinces with this same problem, the system I have found that works with the most option for success is this.

Springs - choose the one that you prefer, OEM Ride with same squat when tongue of 200 to 400 obs or lose the OEM Ride and reduce that light weight squat when the boat is hooked up.I pull a boat, often so I always went with constant rate. Firends never pull a boat, only a camper they chose Progressive rate.

Better Shocks - last truck, i went bilstein 5100 and they actually affected my ride much more than the constant rate springs, in my opinion. Much firmer, mnore planted handling in all conditions. If doing shocks, do all four corners else you will wear out the front much sooner and your ride will suiffer the entire time. You want the shocks to perform similarly when the boiunce is transfered from front to back and reversed. Having no bounce in the rear and exageratted bounce in front can be troublesoem, all by itself.

Air bags - specific line for each bag in a location that is easily accessible. Learnign hwo much weight to add for your load will be a bother but something you will figure out with time and miles. I have never needed to install bags, once i went with springs and shocks but know others who have installed them, even with the shocks and springs upgrades done. NMostly for safetys sake, not actual need.

I do have air bags installed on my Wife;s hot Rod Explorer ST, but the springs are already super stiff so the EcoBEAST car can corner at warp Factor 9. The Bags are essentially to help alleiviate load whenever it moves teh camper but mostly, to assist when actually Hot Rodding. Keep the front end, planted, when it is floored for Maximum Take-off.
Otherwise, the Thing, damn near, needs wheelie bars. Frotn end doe snot actually come of teh ground but sure feels like it is close. Bags keep momentum going Forward.

whichever way you go, share your experience. years from now, someone might read this thread, after google search query and it will help them, which is the whole purpose of this forum.

I did not intentionally mean to anger anyone, about their prefered method or choices. These thoughts are my own, from my own experiences.

Those who go with just bags, good for you
You're wrong, of course, but if it makes you happy.


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Bump Stops are just that, they stop you fro hitting the bumpers by raising the bumpers. So you are riding on the bump stops, which is riding on the axle. Not much suspension coming into play, to smooth out those harsh road conditions, when under a load and all the force is felt through the truck., Think no springs or shocks because that is basically what is going on.

Air bags function by adding air pressure, to a bag, which absorbs that harsh road conditions causing suspension travel from allowing that ravel to be as great. Much preferable to bump stops, riding on the trucks drive train or frame, as the trucks shocks and springs are stilll allowed to function, as Road Force dampeners.Preventing that spine jarring ride that bump stops can and usually provide. Negative to air bags is each bag must have its own air line, If bags share an air lien then the air will travel , form bag to bag, when sway is introduced, exaggerating that sway and making for an even ore unsafe condition. SO, two air lines, one for each bag Fixes that potential trap.

Other huge negative about air bags is they have a potential for failure. Each connection, from air nozzle to bag, can fail/leak & bag itself can fail.If one side is not functioning, then the system itself is no longer functioning and this always happens at the worst possible time.

For about the same cost as air bags, and about the same amount of effort to install, you can go with physical. actual;y metal springs. Multiple possibilities, dependent upon what you desire, need or preference. Can keep OEM ride, when unloaed or lightly loaded, with a progressive rate spring. Pregressive rate springs have a rate of compression, at the top of the spring, that changes to a stiffer rate of compression, towards the middle of the spring.

When you look at the spring, it will have greater distance between the coils, at the top, then the coils will 'tighten up' ,near the middle, all the way to the end.

Constant rate springs are just that, a constant rate of compression throughout the spring.

OEM Progressive rate springs will add about 50% more weight bearing than actual OEM springs currently on your truck, this h elps to ereduce Squat and that spongy sensation as you travel. However, the spring will squat, similar to OEM springs, when under light loads, this is due toteh progressiveness that keeps that OEM Ride. When heavier payload weight is applied, they really shine. Your Trailer will squat much less.

Constant rate springs hardly squat, at all, when compared to OEM springs, However, the ride, when unloaded will not be as smooth. THink 3/4 ton type of ride.
When loaded, they perform almost exactly like the Progressive rate spring, since both are rated, essentially, for the same amount of total weight.

Another option is Stiffer SHocks. again, this will affect unloaded Ride. Current shocks are softer and absorb more than a stiffer shock will. You are going to feel more cracks between the road panels than you did before.

Bottom line, there is simply no way to keep that unloaed OEM Ride and stiffen up the suspension to handle trailer pulling. Other than air bags, hwich can be deflated, compeltely, ANother positive for them but, in my opinion, the negatives far outwieght those positives, to have air bags being the first line of defense, so to speak.

which raises another point.

WHich way to go and what order.

In my own experinces with this same problem, the system I have found that works with the most option for success is this.

Springs - choose the one that you prefer, OEM Ride with same squat when tongue of 200 to 400 obs or lose the OEM Ride and reduce that light weight squat when the boat is hooked up.I pull a boat, often so I always went with constant rate. Firends never pull a boat, only a camper they chose Progressive rate.

Better Shocks - last truck, i went bilstein 5100 and they actually affected my ride much more than the constant rate springs, in my opinion. Much firmer, mnore planted handling in all conditions. If doing shocks, do all four corners else you will wear out the front much sooner and your ride will suiffer the entire time. You want the shocks to perform similarly when the boiunce is transfered from front to back and reversed. Having no bounce in the rear and exageratted bounce in front can be troublesoem, all by itself.

Air bags - specific line for each bag in a location that is easily accessible. Learnign hwo much weight to add for your load will be a bother but something you will figure out with time and miles. I have never needed to install bags, once i went with springs and shocks but know others who have installed them, even with the shocks and springs upgrades done. NMostly for safetys sake, not actual need.

I do have air bags installed on my Wife;s hot Rod Explorer ST, but the springs are already super stiff so the EcoBEAST car can corner at warp Factor 9. The Bags are essentially to help alleiviate load whenever it moves teh camper but mostly, to assist when actually Hot Rodding. Keep the front end, planted, when it is floored for Maximum Take-off.
Otherwise, the Thing, damn near, needs wheelie bars. Frotn end doe snot actually come of teh ground but sure feels like it is close. Bags keep momentum going Forward.

whichever way you go, share your experience. years from now, someone might read this thread, after google search query and it will help them, which is the whole purpose of this forum.

I did not intentionally mean to anger anyone, about their prefered method or choices. These thoughts are my own, from my own experiences.

Those who go with just bags, good for you
You're wrong, of course, but if it makes you happy.


he he he

sorry, couldn't resist.
The Evil just oozes out sometimes.
Great you took the time to write that.

He has a 2020.

He shouldn't have to do anything to the truck; if he is within his hitch weight. However, the first thing I would check is his tire pressure and it is the simplest.

My guess is he has the wrong weight distribution hitch or it is not set up properly. He should look into Equilizer.
 

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Help me understand why do so many people report have problems with air bags, the trucking industry has been using them for 40 years in many different climates, yet owners of 1/2 to 1 ton trucks seem to have a lot more problems then a semi truck with a weight of 40+ tons...
 

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Help me understand why do so many people report have problems with air bags, the trucking industry has been using them for 40 years in many different climates, yet owners of 1/2 to 1 ton trucks seem to have a lot more problems then a semi truck with a weight of 40+ tons...
Simple.
Costs, Quality and Planned Obsolescence.

Semi's are, for darn sure, going to be hauling X amount of weight, for X amount of time and that Tractor is going to be owned, by same individual, for a lot longer than the average pickup truck.

Buddy has a few farm semi's and thought the same thing.
Go Air Bags.

I tried to explain to the dumbarse, who is a fellow Locomotive Engineer.
Locomotives do not have air bags but heavy duty springs AND heavy duty shocks, but he wouldn't listen.

So his new 3/4 ton got the Complete Air Bag Systems.
He's a 'Hobby Farmer'. Inherited about 3K acres of Iowa farmland, then got about 6 Windmills put on the land.
Plus the tow of them have 3 darn nice Retirement Annuities between them.
Money is, literally, no object for him.

So he goes and gets the very best Air Bag setup he could find, based on his own research.
Bags, onboard pump, remote and dash controls.

He's replaced his pump, 2 or 3 times, I honestly cannot remember but do know it was warrantied each time.
Remember him saying it seems like the pumps last about 3 years.

His lines leaked so he got miffed and had everything replaced with super industrial lines and Double Dares them to leak again.

He had one bag pretty much just Blow but he calls that his fault, due to the way he was driving across corn rows, during harvesting, loaded down.
He did brag it was the bag and not his awesome Air Lines.

Another bag just got a slow leak that he didn't realize until he was way away from home.
Luckily, he was able to find another set of bags, where ever he was at and get them installed.

Pretty sure bribery was involved, to get them done, Right Now, but again, he was on the road, away from home & doesn't give a crap, about costs, when he wants a thing done, NOW.

He did not put bags in his new 3/4 truck.
I tease him about it but he claims he don't need them since this truck is tougher.

I do think Bags serve a Purpose and have a Place. Just not s the Primary System.
Supporting upgraded Springs, yes, definitely, if needed, or in the case of a few I know, just for that extra safety factor.
 

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Great you took the time to write that.

He has a 2020.

He shouldn't have to do anything to the truck; if he is within his hitch weight. However, the first thing I would check is his tire pressure and it is the simplest.

My guess is he has the wrong weight distribution hitch or it is not set up properly. He should look into Equilizer.
It is possible, even if hitch is setup perfectly and all weights are within OEM specified capabilities, for the truck to behave, in a manner, which a Driver would find uncomfortable.

A North Dakota driver, with 40 years behind the wheel, may be uncomfortable driving in L.A. Rush Hour Traffic. Not that he cannot do it but that he just does not enjoy the experience. So too , when towing, different Drivers may react differently to the forces involved.

I see nothing wrong, with anyone, modifying their truck, in any manner, which makes them happy, so long as it does not affect me.

It's their Truck, their Money and their Happiness.

I clearly remember , after driving 3/4 ton Beasts for decades, when I loaded up my 1997 1/2 Ram.
I was darn mad. Hated that wimpy, lightweight Piece of Crap and could not wait to get rid of that ****.
2 ytears of enduring unhappiness, I went back to a 3/4 ton.

If I want to hook up to Omaha Nebraska and pull that City around, I do not to be bothered by it reminding me it's back there.
Should follow along like a well trained Dog.

That is what I expect and I will pay to upgrade to get that experience.
be it upgrading springs shocks etc or upgrading the truck with a heavier duty Truck.

When I traded off my 1999 2500 V-010 and dropped down to a 2014 Ram 1500, I was older, well on my way to being crippled up and did not do much anymore.
Just the ride of the truck ticked me off. Felt like a car, not a truck. The 2 or 3 inches of Squat when I hooked up my Lund Boat drove me absolutely Insane.
After upgrading to New Tuftruck Springs, New Bilstein Shocks and new Michelin LTX M/S Tires, I had a truck I loved to drive and that fulfilled my needs.
 

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Help me understand why do so many people report have problems with air bags, the trucking industry has been using them for 40 years in many different climates, yet owners of 1/2 to 1 ton trucks seem to have a lot more problems then a semi truck with a weight of 40+ tons...
Not sure, user error maybe? I've had bags on 5 of my last 8 trucks and never had an issue with bags.
 

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Simple.
Costs, Quality and Planned Obsolescence.

Semi's are, for darn sure, going to be hauling X amount of weight, for X amount of time and that Tractor is going to be owned, by same individual, for a lot longer than the average pickup truck.

Buddy has a few farm semi's and thought the same thing.
Go Air Bags.

I tried to explain to the dumbarse, who is a fellow Locomotive Engineer.
Locomotives do not have air bags but heavy duty springs AND heavy duty shocks, but he wouldn't listen.

So his new 3/4 ton got the Complete Air Bag Systems.
He's a 'Hobby Farmer'. Inherited about 3K acres of Iowa farmland, then got about 6 Windmills put on the land.
Plus the tow of them have 3 darn nice Retirement Annuities between them.
Money is, literally, no object for him.

So he goes and gets the very best Air Bag setup he could find, based on his own research.
Bags, onboard pump, remote and dash controls.

He's replaced his pump, 2 or 3 times, I honestly cannot remember but do know it was warrantied each time.
Remember him saying it seems like the pumps last about 3 years.

His lines leaked so he got miffed and had everything replaced with super industrial lines and Double Dares them to leak again.

He had one bag pretty much just Blow but he calls that his fault, due to the way he was driving across corn rows, during harvesting, loaded down.
He did brag it was the bag and not his awesome Air Lines.

Another bag just got a slow leak that he didn't realize until he was way away from home.
Luckily, he was able to find another set of bags, where ever he was at and get them installed.

Pretty sure bribery was involved, to get them done, Right Now, but again, he was on the road, away from home & doesn't give a crap, about costs, when he wants a thing done, NOW.

He did not put bags in his new 3/4 truck.
I tease him about it but he claims he don't need them since this truck is tougher.

I do think Bags serve a Purpose and have a Place. Just not s the Primary System.
Supporting upgraded Springs, yes, definitely, if needed, or in the case of a few I know, just for that extra safety factor.

I have an idea of how some IA farmers can be, 4 years ago that I moved from North IA, but I'm surprised to hear they don't make a quality air bag for pickup trucks....
 

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Not sure, user error maybe? I've had bags on 5 of my last 8 trucks and never had an issue with bags.

Well its good to read not all have problems with them, after being around them in semis & trailers its hard for me to imitation they don't make a quality air bag's for pickups...
 

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Well its good to read not all have problems with them, after being around them in semis & trailers its hard for me to imitation they don't make a quality air bag's for pickups...

Everything on a semi is built to work hard and last a million miles. Half tons are generally done at 250K. So it's not the technology (air bags), it's the quality with which they're built.
 

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Everything on a semi is built to work hard and last a million miles. Half tons are generally done at 250K. So it's not the technology (air bags), it's the quality with which they're built.
What about fun bags?
 
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