Synthetic Oil

Oil of Choice

  • Castrol Syntec/Edge

    Votes: 233 8.4%
  • Royal Purple

    Votes: 325 11.7%
  • AMSOil

    Votes: 396 14.3%
  • Valvoline Synpower

    Votes: 160 5.8%
  • Mobil 1

    Votes: 992 35.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 660 23.9%

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I have a friend who uses Amsoil 5W-30 in his 2011 Accord. I can't get over how beautiful that oil looks when he pours it into the engine. It's like liquid gold. He said that the color comes from the special anti wear additives and the pure 100% synthetic oil. It didn't look that thick to me. So I'm confused now, which Amsoil can I use so I don't CEL?
I just got a used RAM 1500 and was doing some research on possible problems and came across this forum. This thread has some very useful information in it, and some very good posts. Though I haven't laughed this hard in my life. I don't mean to be unkind, but... wow!

"So I don't CEL?" - this is epic. Either this guy is a complete troll or he's never done any actual reading of how an engine works. Buddy, you go and buy that expensive "golden" oil now. ;)

I won't touch 0W-40. I don't understand it.
Man, read a Machinery Lubrication article once in a while.

Oh wow, that's literally truck diesel oil! I'm not gonna touch that stuff. I don't need to wreck my engine.
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I just got a used RAM 1500 and was doing some research on possible problems and came across this forum. This thread has some very useful information in it, and some very good posts. Though I haven't laughed this hard in my life. I don't mean to be unkind, but... wow!

"So I don't CEL?" - this is epic. Either this guy is a complete troll or he's never done any actual reading of how an engine works. Buddy, you go and buy that expensive "golden" oil now. ;)


Man, read a Machinery Lubrication article once in a while.


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You mean Happy Boy Sunset isn't a real person who mostly only posts about Amsoil?
 

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You mean Happy Boy Sunset isn't a real person who mostly only posts about Amsoil?
A couple of years ago I read and article on Business Insider titled "11 scientific reasons why attractive people are more successful in life".

I look like every other unattractive average guy in real life, I'm sure many of you here can relate. I thought of trying a good looking avatar for a change and see if it yields positive results.

I'm sorry if anyone got upset over this.
 

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A couple of years ago I read and article on Business Insider titled "11 scientific reasons why attractive people are more successful in life".

I look like every other unattractive average guy in real life, I'm sure many of you here can relate. I thought of trying a good looking avatar for a change and see if it yields positive results.

I'm sorry if anyone got upset over this.
There are rules for additives, the rules are strict for 20 and 30 weights, most passenger cars. They consider 40 weight a heavy duty oil, so their rules are less stringent for the api. There is a large group that makes up 40 weight, any oil from 12.5 visc to 16.3. What most companies do is purposely build their oils right on the thin line 12.5, but amsoil is the exception they build it more to the thick line. Now, how 40 weight gain that 0 winter rating mostly is by adding viscosity index improvers, that when they break in use, the weight goes down. Thus those 40 weights in a very short time become 30 weights like 500 miles or even less, especially in 0 winter rating because they add a ton of vii's. Those oils built right on the thin line we call super class oils, you get extra additives you cant have in api 30 weights. Bottom line, if you can run a 30 weight, any of those 0w40's will do as a replacement, all you need to do is look at cSt viscosity, if it is near 13 then it will be a 30 weight in the sump most of the time. Amsoil 0w40 is more like a 5w40 or 15w40 because they really build it thick, not thin, opposite of super class 0w40 oils. Look up some viscosity on 0w40 stat sheets, you will understand. Now you understand 0w40 I'm sure of it.



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You mean Happy Boy Sunset isn't a real person who mostly only posts about Amsoil?

So the dude is trying to troll us or post amsoil ads, good to know. Thought he was leaning into the whole "I'm so stupid" angle a little too hard.

This thread should be locked out to any account < 6 months old and < 100 posts to prevent this kind of thing.
 

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Some news on mobil 1, their API line has been reformulated for dexos 1 gen 3. Moly is up a hair. Ive seen a few UOAs showed around 100 ppm and a VOA showed 93 ppm and the high mileage varient 95 ppm. gohkans calculations on bitog seem to show low VII and thicker base oil viscosity. MSDS does not indicate any PAO but its possible they are not listing it as the most group 3 thats listed is 20-30 percent. Flash points are up as well FWIW. The 10w30 vanilla and ep are 482C and 484C. Truck and SUV 5w30 flash point is 502!!! just for whatever its worth to someone these new formulas seem positive so far. The new formula is labeled "triple action formula" on the label
 

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Thank you very much for taking the time to help me. I won't touch 0W-40. I don't understand it. My friend Sam, who's a certified technician, says that it's for weird European engines. He says that the only one to use is the special SRT 0W-40, and only in the 6.2 and 6.4 Hemis. He probably knows what he's talking about. He's been doing this for a long time.


I have a friend who uses Amsoil 5W-30 in his 2011 Accord. I can't get over how beautiful that oil looks when he pours it into the engine. It's like liquid gold. He said that the color comes from the special anti wear additives and the pure 100% synthetic oil. It didn't look that thick to me. So I'm confused now, which Amsoil can I use so I don't CEL?


Oh wow, that's literally truck diesel oil! I'm not gonna touch that stuff. I don't need to wreck my engine. Thank you for the advice, you saved me from potentially making a catastrophic mistake. I saw Mobil 1 for Europeean vehicles 0W-40 on Rollback and wanted to buy that. Glad I didn't. Yep, Sam was right.


Oh Jesus, that's a scetchy looking website!
I don't know who designed the website, but HPL's Technical Director is this Dude, the author of this Book
 
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Redline API SP additive package...
@Burla @HEMIMANN @Hemi395

Heres a screenshot of the updates redline is employing for API SP in the 0w20 and 0w30 oils. We have been waiting a long time for these and the values are straight from dave granquest... time will tell with this major reformulation but so far atleast for 0w30 perhaps @HEMIMANN was right to buy all he could for the 6.4. Is it just me or does this almost look like valvoline extended protection?

My opinion so far is that its quite underwhelming? I expected a more stout additive package from redline. It seems lubegard could be added if anyone experiences anything negative from these 2 oils vs the SN version. HPL seems to be the better api sp option to me
 

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There are rules for additives, the rules are strict for 20 and 30 weights, most passenger cars. They consider 40 weight a heavy duty oil, so their rules are less stringent for the api. There is a large group that makes up 40 weight, any oil from 12.5 visc to 16.3. What most companies do is purposely build their oils right on the thin line 12.5, but amsoil is the exception they build it more to the thick line. Now, how 40 weight gain that 0 winter rating mostly is by adding viscosity index improvers, that when they break in use, the weight goes down. Thus those 40 weights in a very short time become 30 weights like 500 miles or even less, especially in 0 winter rating because they add a ton of vii's. Those oils built right on the thin line we call super class oils, you get extra additives you cant have in api 30 weights. Bottom line, if you can run a 30 weight, any of those 0w40's will do as a replacement, all you need to do is look at cSt viscosity, if it is near 13 then it will be a 30 weight in the sump most of the time. Amsoil 0w40 is more like a 5w40 or 15w40 because they really build it thick, not thin, opposite of super class 0w40 oils. Look up some viscosity on 0w40 stat sheets, you will understand. Now you understand 0w40 I'm sure of it.



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Thanks for nut making fun of me and helping me out. This might be hard to believe but I'm still trying to wrap my head around all of this.

The way 0W-40 is a bit difficult for me to wrap my head around. How can an oil be so thin and so thick at the same time - looking at that chart above?

Do you happend to know what the difference is between Pennzoil Platinum and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum?

Thank you.
 

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Thanks for sharing your findings @Travis8352

I'm not as up on things as I used to be. Getting older, I guess. I'm not recalling Valvoline EP, either, nor did I archive a copy of Red Line 0W-30 Spec Sheet. I do recall the NOACK was 50% higher than 5W-30 and HTHS was 15% lower, which is why 5W-30 is my go to oil spring through fall.

0W's were really intended for little w*h*i*z motors, not performance power engines. Hence the crazy water viscosity offerings of 0W-8 and 0W-16. And we thought 0W-20 was nuts! All in the search for 0.000000001% lower fuel consumption.

Anyway, we wouldn't even be talking about any 0W's for Hemi's if is wasn't for the poor lubrication of the valve lifter rollers. Everybody would just be running the best Group III they liked for 5,000 OCI's, no big moly spike needed. The hardcores would be free to run their maximum OCI UOA experiments.

All this said, the "new" Red Line 0W-30 doesn't look terrible to me. It still has >200 ppm moly, which is the critical level for wear reduction. Suprising it doesn't have more Mg detergent for LSPI suppression, maybe RL experimented and put in the minimum to pass whatever GF LSPI tests there are.
 

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Redline API SP additive package...
@Burla @HEMIMANN @Hemi395

Heres a screenshot of the updates redline is employing for API SP in the 0w20 and 0w30 oils. We have been waiting a long time for these and the values are straight from dave granquest... time will tell with this major reformulation but so far atleast for 0w30 perhaps @HEMIMANN was right to buy all he could for the 6.4. Is it just me or does this almost look like valvoline extended protection?

My opinion so far is that its quite underwhelming? I expected a more stout additive package from redline. It seems lubegard could be added if anyone experiences anything negative from these 2 oils vs the SN version. HPL seems to be the better api sp option to me
Honestly that looks a lot better than I thought it would. I'd definitely run that in my truck.
 

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Redline API SP additive package...
@Burla @HEMIMANN @Hemi395

Heres a screenshot of the updates redline is employing for API SP in the 0w20 and 0w30 oils. We have been waiting a long time for these and the values are straight from dave granquest... time will tell with this major reformulation but so far atleast for 0w30 perhaps @HEMIMANN was right to buy all he could for the 6.4. Is it just me or does this almost look like valvoline extended protection?

My opinion so far is that its quite underwhelming? I expected a more stout additive package from redline. It seems lubegard could be added if anyone experiences anything negative from these 2 oils vs the SN version. HPL seems to be the better api sp option to me
Thanks man.

So it all depends, if this still kills tick then would the less additives be better? I think we will have to pull Corey's arm to try the the 0w30 when he can get it. It still is pao/ester and he doesnt talk about the viscosity? To be honest I have been asking for this for a decade anyone on ram forum can attest, the moly level is very interesting. I may have to give this a go on the burla mobile. I applauded HPL for their formula for the same reason, although my brain wants to say their moly level would be more desirable, it all depends on how it actually works in our hemi tick engines and I do believe there will be some players to test this.

Now, the interval will certainly be interesting. But, is this not now like choice number one in di turbo's? Or at least next to hpl as the top choices for someone with high compression engines that want more protection then just some otc api oil? I am ecstatic for guys with Ford eco boosts to finally have a wide distribution oil with this much potential. Is there another pao/ester based oil with over 200ppm moly 0w30 with low lspi built into the formula? I would have them rathered make a di lineup as opposed to a couple of di offerings, but in my opinion you can make a di oil that still has those other desirable additives we have proven beneficial to our hemi's. Well, it is all theory right, if we put this in our hemi's and they start ticking well I am the dummy at the table, but I havent seen the evidence yet. I might have to put my money where my mouth is on this one and make this my next change, now the downside is I never tried 0w30 old formula, so a bad result wouldnt tell the entire story, thus we need guys like corey to give it a whirl.

Most other oil companies made their entire line up low additive to accommodate di turbo's and the api, according to Dave they wont be touching the flagship oil 5w30 that we know is hemi honey. There still is no SP or even SN+ on their website for the 0w30 offering, so we don't know the viscosity details. Also I agree lubegard biotech might be an interesting move with this formula, while I don't prefer it for their traditional formulas.
 

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If I don't see the SP upgraded in their website in a couple months, I will ask dave about if the new formula is already in the supply chain. Perhaps it is not all good, I would have proffered the moly to stay the same. I wonder if this will be to accommodate particular filters and di gas turbo's? Especially since those eco diesels out there like the 0w30.
 

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If I don't see the SP upgraded in their website in a couple months, I will ask dave about if the new formula is already in the supply chain. Perhaps it is not all good, I would have proffered the moly to stay the same. I wonder if this will be to accommodate particular filters and di gas turbo's? Especially since those eco diesels out there like the 0w30.
I believe another email from dave was posted saying something along the lines of the phase in began 5 months ago. Now i guess we wait until the distributors move their SN product.
 

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I guess i just expected more moly and more magnesium. No way to know the verdict until its ran
agreed, I do believe it was trying to bring in those performance eco diesels into their formula. It might even be a foreign market move as these are falling out of favor in usa.
 

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Impressive noack across the board to say the least
 

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Impressive noack across the board to say the least
A little more bad news there only for 0w30, visc drops to 10.8 hths to 3.3, so yeah for hemi tick I wouldnt think this is built the same as old formula, however for piston slap it should even be better. We wont know til we try it in c couple hemi tick engines. However, the most depressing thing I see take a guess, look at those pour points? wtf? Corey if those are correct lets talk before trying it.

Why run the 0w20 in redline? The 5w20 is 2 points more on hths close in cold performance.
 
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