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I’ve been running a stant 190 for quite a few years now with no issues. I’ll try to get the model on it
If I went with a Stant 180 would I need to have it tuned? I found one on Amazon. But I am fine with a 192 TSAT. Just greedy to be cool.
 
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192 F
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*Some sources use this part as identical to the AU Tridon
TT247-192 (HighFlow)


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If I went with a Stant 180 would I need to have it tuned? I found one on Amazon. But I am fine with a 192 TSAT. Just greedy to be cool.
Stant 180 and 190 for the hemi. I prefer the 190 for my uses
 

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180,but if it's a daily driver a 190 is probably the better choice on the stock tune.Do not remove the factory mechanical fan if you're not going to tune it. If you're seeing coolant temps between 195 and 200 after a decent drive on a hot day, i'd leave it alone Mike.
Ok, I certainly will not change it. I really don't drive too fast in the truck. I'm really not used to it. I just started driving it and today a gas cap light comes on. I already bought a new one and cleared any code. I'm putting a new sway bar on it Thursday morning too. :) Thanks for the advice.

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Well I'm finally getting around to this fix (moving takes a lot of time, and long-distance holiday trips are looming) and I'm curious how you take the cable end off of the transmission park lever? Is it just a firm press fit? Do I just pull firmly? Or is there a tab or button I need to actuate?

I've already taken the black bracket off to give it wiggle room, but taking it off the end here would be really nice.

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Well Gents, I got @caulk04 ’s dream machine installed. It may be easier for the 2WD guys to pop in and out, but I wouldn’t want to do that too many more times in my life with the tools I have at my disposal.

Cracking open some of those bolts was tough and I had to squeeze a breaker bar in to get the front drive shaft bolts loosened:

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Also, torquing the bolts back to 85 ft/lbs against the locked 4WD was probably a mistake, as I thought I heard a noise like a torque wrench clicking but from somewhere near the right-side front axle. After that, I opted to use a pry bar to keep the axle from turning. I’ll have to go test 4WD to make sure I didn’t snap anything. :(

The transmission cable was not too bad, aside from the tight torx bolts that damaged my cheap T40 bit. But a quick trip to the hardware store had me set up with some nice new Craftsman torx bits, and they did nicely.

I think God Himself took pity on my feeble attempts to get the snap ring off with my crummy snap ring pliers. They get all kinds of bendy under full load:

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Somehow I got them to work without too much trouble, although getting it back on was especially tricky since I also had to keep the plug pressed in against its spring.

The plug itself came out with a hard pull with some sturdy pliers. The small amount of fluid came out into a drain pan (I wasn’t worried about that small amount). Upon inspection, the factory plug assembly didn’t seem broken in any way I could see. Here it is (on bottom), with the spare assembly I bought online as part of the whole thermal management unit (middle), and @caulk04 ’s part plus the brass end I initially got from RevMax, when I thought it might be a broken plastic end piece (top):

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One thing I did notice a difference in between my factory plug assembly and the spare was the metal pin. The factory pin is the same thickness throughout, but the spare gets thinner where it goes into the wax motor:

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In the end I used all the factory parts along with @caulk04 ’s plug, just like he said to do in the beginning. It ended up fitting better on the factory pin. I opted to not put the spare assembly in because it occurred to me, if that didn’t fix the problem, I would still have a hobbled truck right when I need to make some long holiday drives coming up soon, and this took long enough that I didn’t want to do it again before the trips.

After getting everything buttoned back up, I took it for a road test through some highway and country roads, getting it up to its new operating temperature of (apparently) around 150 F:

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After several stop-start-stops to get back to the highway and headed back into town, it got up to 154 F:

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But cruising back into town on the highway, it leveled out at 150 F again going about 75 mph. This speed at longer than five minutes would have certainly caused a spike previously at operating temperature, but it hung tight at 150 F the entire drive back into town of about 10 minutes. So that’s great.

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I’ll report back after I’ve made a long Texas holiday trip this Thanksgiving.

@Fritter I’m afraid there will be no root cause discovery for now on why I had the temp spikes with the factory plug assembly. Holiday trips were more important for this busy dad, and the transmission seems to be just fine except for the temperature. If I get frisky in the future, I may swap the spare plug in to see, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.

@Joe _S2013 the spare TMU I bought came with the plastic inlet tubes without O-rings, but you’re right I’ve seen a YouTube video where they replace leaking O-rings on them and they were metal. It looks like they stopped producing the metal ones in favor of the plastic tubes. Perhaps the plastic tubes fail less than the rubber O-rings were.

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@caulk04 , thank you again for your amazing part. It’s taken a load off of my mind, at least until the truck can throw a new curve ball at me later. I’ll also report after my next long trip to verify no problems.
 

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Well Gents, I got @caulk04 ’s dream machine installed. It may be easier for the 2WD guys to pop in and out, but I wouldn’t want to do that too many more times in my life with the tools I have at my disposal.

Cracking open some of those bolts was tough and I had to squeeze a breaker bar in to get the front drive shaft bolts loosened:

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Also, torquing the bolts back to 85 ft/lbs against the locked 4WD was probably a mistake, as I thought I heard a noise like a torque wrench clicking but from somewhere near the right-side front axle. After that, I opted to use a pry bar to keep the axle from turning. I’ll have to go test 4WD to make sure I didn’t snap anything. :(

The transmission cable was not too bad, aside from the tight torx bolts that damaged my cheap T40 bit. But a quick trip to the hardware store had me set up with some nice new Craftsman torx bits, and they did nicely.

I think God Himself took pity on my feeble attempts to get the snap ring off with my crummy snap ring pliers. They get all kinds of bendy under full load:

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Somehow I got them to work without too much trouble, although getting it back on was especially tricky since I also had to keep the plug pressed in against its spring.

The plug itself came out with a hard pull with some sturdy pliers. The small amount of fluid came out into a drain pan (I wasn’t worried about that small amount). Upon inspection, the factory plug assembly didn’t seem broken in any way I could see. Here it is (on bottom), with the spare assembly I bought online as part of the whole thermal management unit (middle), and @caulk04 ’s part plus the brass end I initially got from RevMax, when I thought it might be a broken plastic end piece (top):

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One thing I did notice a difference in between my factory plug assembly and the spare was the metal pin. The factory pin is the same thickness throughout, but the spare gets thinner where it goes into the wax motor:

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In the end I used all the factory parts along with @caulk04 ’s plug, just like he said to do in the beginning. It ended up fitting better on the factory pin. I opted to not put the spare assembly in because it occurred to me, if that didn’t fix the problem, I would still have a hobbled truck right when I need to make some long holiday drives coming up soon, and this took long enough that I didn’t want to do it again before the trips.

After getting everything buttoned back up, I took it for a road test through some highway and country roads, getting it up to its new operating temperature of (apparently) around 150 F:

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After several stop-start-stops to get back to the highway and headed back into town, it got up to 154 F:

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But cruising back into town on the highway, it leveled out at 150 F again going about 75 mph. This speed at longer than five minutes would have certainly caused a spike previously at operating temperature, but it hung tight at 150 F the entire drive back into town of about 10 minutes. So that’s great.

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I’ll report back after I’ve made a long Texas holiday trip this Thanksgiving.

@Fritter I’m afraid there will be no root cause discovery for now on why I had the temp spikes with the factory plug assembly. Holiday trips were more important for this busy dad, and the transmission seems to be just fine except for the temperature. If I get frisky in the future, I may swap the spare plug in to see, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.

@Joe _S2013 the spare TMU I bought came with the plastic inlet tubes without O-rings, but you’re right I’ve seen a YouTube video where they replace leaking O-rings on them and they were metal. It looks like they stopped producing the metal ones in favor of the plastic tubes. Perhaps the plastic tubes fail less than the rubber O-rings were.

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@caulk04 , thank you again for your amazing part. It’s taken a load off of my mind, at least until the truck can throw a new curve ball at me later. I’ll also report after my next long trip to verify no problems.
You need a decent cordless impact gun and some swivel impact sockets Daniel,makes pulling the driveshafts alot easier. Glad you finally got around to installing Jesse's bypass,it's far superior/easier to the way CrazyKid and i did it
 
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That's interesting that the pin is different on the other TMU. Do you know what model/year it came from?

Initially I looked around to find a pin to provide with my part but came up short on any easily obtainable part. It's an odd diameter IMO.
 

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@caulk04, I simply bought the whole thermal management unit assembly here, so it's probably a newer production unit than what we find on any of our 4th gen trucks.

Here's the label on the unit they sent me. Interestingly, it's Canadian-made.

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Yeah, that pin seems particular. Even the RevMax guys didn't size the inner diameter of their brass plug end correctly, as neither my OE pin or the pin from the unit above would fit in the receptacle it was suppose to go into (another reason I didn't use it, sadly, because I would have liked to).
 
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@caulk04, I simply bought the whole thermal management unit assembly here, so it's probably a newer production unit than what we find on any of our 4th gen trucks.

Here's the label on the unit they sent me. Interestingly, it's Canadian-made.

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Yeah, that pin seems particular. Even the RevMax guys didn't size the inner diameter of their brass plug end correctly, as neither my OE pin or the pin from the unit above would fit in the receptacle it was suppose to go into (another reason I didn't use it, sadly, because I would have liked to).
When i was sscrewing around replacing my 8 speed i went to my local dealer and picked up new transfer tubes,and the new ones were the updated versions that did away with the o-rings,that was 5 years ago .
 

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I've got some more data for you all. I just got back from a Thanksgiving trip from Houston to Georgetown, TX, about a 150 mile trip one way.

The trip there saw the temperature slooowly plateau at around 160 F, with short peaks up to 164 F before it would settle down back to 160 F. The ambient temperature was upper 60s.

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While there, in the worst traffic jam, barely moving over an hour, it got up to 167 F.

On the drive home, it remarkably stayed in the 150s, ending up around 150 F by the time we got home after sunset. The ambient temperature was low 50s.

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The transmission operating temperature seems to be dependent on the ambient temperature now. I guess that makes sense now that there is no thermostat (wax motor) dictating, only the cooling capacity of the transmission oil cooler.

There were no temperature spikes of any kind while maintaining 60 to 70 mph, and I'm so relieved my truck seems to be working normally again. Yes, it may be masking a deeper issue, but for now I'm as happy as can be. @caulk04 , your part is really a life saver for those of us who have had wonky transmission thermal issues. Its a heck of a treatment.
 
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Just an update on my situation drove 2 hours away to Greenville SC and back, truck drove perfect. No temp issues. 2 day later went to Atlanta an hour away, temps climbed to 222 degrees. Drove back perfectly normal. No rhyme or reason. Radiator temps hung around 195 to 213. Mostly around 205. I'm thinking of having the fluid replaced with a new pan and filter and see if that fixes it.
 

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@hawsk99gt I know you have @caulk04's bypass plug installed, but can you remind us what the status of your modifications are?

- Has your current transmission ever had the fluid changed or even just level checked? (Note I changed mine and carefully checked the fluid level multiple times, and it still had the overheating problem)
- Are your grille shutters still all in place? (I assume they are, as mine are still)
- You have no engine/trans tune (other than factory, as I had)?

With the bypass plug installed, you know it's not a problem with the heating part of the heat exchanger anymore, which means it must be something to do with the cooling side of things, or (gulp) extra internal friction. Because of the intermittent nature of the problem, I feel it's not internal friction. If it were internal, I feel that problem would manifest itself in other more detectable ways that you would be able to notice (or there would be some codes). If your transmission is shifting flawlessly and staying steady at speed (as mine was when I had a spike), then it seems to me it must have to do with the cooling somehow. Perhaps there is some kind of lack of pressure, due to blockage, or pump malfunction. I'd research how the transmission fluid is pumped through the cooler and see what might be failing.

Either way, it may be time to start consulting with a transmission shop on the possibilities to help diagnose the problem. If @caulk04 's plug ever fails to constrain temperature spikes in my truck in the future, I too will probably start talking to transmission shops to see what the heck it could be.

Any of you more knowledgeable folks feel free to chime in as well, but I think we've just about exhausted the depth of knowledge of this forum on this one. (Un)fortunately there just aren't that many cases to draw information from.
 

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yes I would like to know as well. My transmission according to the dealer I have a life time warranty. And they won't touch unless it throws a code. Otherwise it will be on my dime for any investigation.
 
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