Stuck in snow

turkeybird56 · Dec 10, 2022

One thing is apparent in all these posts and arguing back and forth and semantics: IF U stuck U stuck, lol. Heck, I went over to my neighbors, who has wet grass and some grades in MY 19 with friggin SRA OEM's. They were so bad, had to put truck in 4 LO to move. Did not take me long to get my Falkens, LOL.

Wild one · Dec 10, 2022

2020PW said:
Lol, thats just a play on words. The only thing that matters is, stuck is stuck.

Why so obsessed with the PW?

Fyi, this is our third PW (2005, 2016 and now 2020), also have a 18 CTD stock. It doesn’t matter what vehicle you discuss.

It's not me who's obsessed with his new Power Wagon,lol. Nobody would really care ,but you're always bad mouthing the 1500's,the majority of people don't need or want a PW.If you need one,all the power to you,but get off your chest thumping soap box,where you do nothing but run down the 1500's.FCA/Stellentis could do a whole lot to make the Power Wagons a better looking truck,lol

2020PW · Dec 10, 2022

Wild one said:
It's not me who's obsessed with his new Power Wagon,lol. Nobody would really care ,but you're always bad mouthing the 1500's,the majority of people don't need or want a PW.If you need one,all the power to you,but get off your chest thumping soap box,where you do nothing but run down the 1500's.FCA/Stellentis could do a whole lot to make the Power Wagons a better looking truck,lol

LMAO. Soap box…. That’s what I have to use to wash my PW to reach the roof. Thumping…. That’s the sounds of pan-ties bouncing off the side of it.

It would destroy a lesser truck…. The useless 1500….

Jealousy is an ugly thing…. Sensitive….

4xdad · Dec 10, 2022

We have both in our house a2011 1500 sport awd and my 2015pw two totally different truck for two different uses and ppl if I get stuck he’s the one I’ll call and the other way around his is not what I want mine is not for him each to their own they can both get stuck

TestPilot57 · Dec 10, 2022

Wild one said:
So if i cement one tire solidly into the ground so it can't turn,and hook a wheel dyno to the other tire that's in the air,you're saying it won't have a torque reading,i call BS.The torque is always there if the wheel is turning,it doesn't evaporate,but it has become unusable.Using your theory you should be able to grab the wheel in the air that's turning and stop it by hand,go out and video that trick,i'd love to see you grab that spinning wheel and stop it by hand,even at idle.The torque is there if the engine and transmission are turning,but it has become unusable,but it's not "0" as you're trying to claim,it's still a measurable number.Reword your claims to 0 usable torque and i'll agree with you,but i won't agree with your statement of 0 torque

By grabbing the wheel in the air you are adding resistance, which will add torque. Yes, the torque is AVAILABLE, but not APPLIED unless there is traction to provide it! Wow, talk about elementary.

TestPilot57 · Dec 10, 2022

Wild one said:
Doesn't matter how you word it,the torque is still there,it doesn't evaporate just because the wheel or wheels are in the air,it's still measurable.If the engine and transmission are turning,it's measurable,it's never "0",but whether it's usable is another story,as it will always go to the wheel with the least amount of friction/traction in an open diff.The guy promoting welded spiders aka the old lincoln locker,needs a slap upside the head,nobodies out there dirt tracking their $50,000+ trucks.Very few of the jeep guys are welding the spiders solid anymore with the advent of air and electric lockers.You want to break parts,weld the spiders solid,and you'll accomplish your wish of breaking parts

I wasn't "promoting" it, just saying that, in response to the guy saying they have "one wheel drive", if they want "two wheel drive", weld the diff. Or, OK, order a locker and keep it locked all the time.

Wild one · Dec 10, 2022

TestPilot57 said:
By grabbing the wheel in the air you are adding resistance, which will add torque. Yes, the torque is AVAILABLE, but not APPLIED unless there is traction to provide it! Wow, talk about elementary.

You're not adding torque,the torque is always there ,it's never 0 as you're trying to claim,it's just not usable .A engine/transmission always has a certain amount of torque production at any given rpm,just because there's no resistance,doesn't mean the torque production is 0,the torque doesn't just disappear,it's just not doing any work.

Wild one · Dec 10, 2022

2020PW said:
LMAO. Soap box…. That’s what I have to use to wash my PW to reach the roof. Thumping…. That’s the sounds of pan-ties bouncing off the side of it.

It would destroy a lesser truck…. The useless 1500….

Jealousy is an ugly thing…. Sensitive….

Looks like i hit a sore spot :Big Laugh:

.Want to race your useless and slow ass PW,you can look at a useless 1500's tail lights :Big Laugh:

4xdad · Dec 10, 2022

I get lots of use out of my pw and I never go to the racetrack but I do go camping if I want a fast truck I would buy a Tex but lm to old for racing and I don’t like speeding tickets

392DevilDog · Dec 10, 2022

WOW!

Glad I was out exercising my 4low, anti spin and BLDS today and missed all this.

Many if the drivable trails in our state forests are open for travel right now...so we went for a long drive on dirt roads. Love seeing the open gates.

I enjoy it when guys are saying the same thing but one wants to be technical and one wants to just say it how it seems.

And, a 1500 will beat a PowerWagon at the track? And a PowerWagon is made more for off-road?

Who woulda knew. So glad I came back to a post about being stuck in the snow to learn this.

No snow in the forest today...but rumor is...the morning may bring some.

Good times. :buttkick:

Wild one · Dec 10, 2022

4xdad said:
I get lots of use out of my pw and I never go to the racetrack but I do go camping if I want a fast truck I would buy a Tex but lm to old for racing and I don’t like speeding tickets

TRX's are quick for a stock truck,but not $140,000 quick.There's the odd one that shows up at Castrol/Nisku,and stock they aren't as fast as you think.At Castrol they're about a mid 12 sec truck,or about as fast as a stock 6.4 Challenger/Charger.You're never to old for racing,lol. Castrol's Friday night Street Legals are right in your back yard,$40.00 and a helmut are all you need,and you can usually make as many passes as you want.

tron67j · Dec 11, 2022

ramffml said:
Not quite; the torque is distributed equally to both rear wheels, until one wheel begins to slip. A limited slip locks the 2 wheels temporarily, but that's only after the slip. As long as both wheels have traction, both wheels will be given torque and will propel the truck forward.

Power and torque are two different things. Yes, the torque is distributed evenly in an open differential. But the power doing the work is higher in the spinning wheel. In the instance that someone finds their wheels on different surfaces, they aren't going to be glad they have the same amount of torque to each wheel if they have an open differential. They want the power matched on each wheel, such as from a LSD.

indept · Dec 11, 2022

Here's an interesting video of TFLTrucks testing their 2022 (I believe) Ram 1500 SCSB 4wd Classic basic work truck with 3.6L V6 and open diffs using traction control to get moving.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWUO7hrJedE

BWL · Dec 11, 2022

Open diff RWD truck to me is one wheel drive. However, with traction control nowadays it can at least put the power to the side with the most traction by applying braking to the side without. Limited slip gives you two wheel drive, but only once there's enough wheel spin to engage it so you've already broken traction once it kicks in making it inferior to a locker when you're trying to get moving on a slick surface and trying to baby it into getting going.The E-lockers and air lockers lock the diff and give you 2wd in the rear at any speed, but on the rams the e-lockers disengages at a certain speed. I think around 25kph because handling around corners is affected as well as tire wear increased with it locked all the time. Welded diff is 2wd permanent, but not something you'd want unless it's off road only.

4xdad · Dec 11, 2022

It’s not like my 9000 lbs truck is going to win any races

alex6666 · Dec 11, 2022

timely topic: I just got stuck in the snow up at the lake. Wasn't paying attention and the front wheel got sucked into the soft snow at the side of the road,common where i live, and into a slight ditch and the rest was history

four high...nope, four low....still nope (though it might not have engaged). Tried rocking the truck and almost worked but nope...just deeper. Did not turn off the traction control. Probably spun the tires too much as I dug myself in halfway up the door. First time stuck in fourty years including some sketchy off road stuff. Fortunately had an emergency kit with a tow rope and some nice old guy came along and yanked me out. Wildpeak tires which seem to work okay but don't have a very deep tread and have worn faster than i'd like, probably swap them out next year. Tire guy suggested one time to take about four pounds out of each tire for the winter which i do and seems to help. Interestingly heard that spinning the tires too much can cause damage to the rear end gears? Frankly I think I would have had better results if I got out of the truck and thought about what to do first....maybe next time

ramffml · Dec 11, 2022

tron67j said:
Power and torque are two different things. Yes, the torque is distributed evenly in an open differential. But the power doing the work is higher in the spinning wheel. In the instance that someone finds their wheels on different surfaces, they aren't going to be glad they have the same amount of torque to each wheel if they have an open differential. They want the power matched on each wheel, such as from a LSD.

My point was that even with an open diff; as long as you have full traction, both rear wheels get the same torque and will move the truck forward. It's not a "one wheel drive" like you might find in an electric vehicle where the motor is attached to only one wheel.

So I wasn't talking about what happens when you're slipping, but what happens with torque before you're spinning. Again, context of 2wd vs 1wd.

SouthernBornRebel · Dec 11, 2022

to disable the esc and make it lock up just hold the esc button in for up to 10 seconds, your EVIC will say "ESC DISABLED" then you have a real 4x4

Dean2 · Dec 11, 2022

ramffml said:
My point was that even with an open diff; as long as you have full traction, both rear wheels get the same torque and will move the truck forward. It's not a "one wheel drive" like you might find in an electric vehicle where the motor is attached to only one wheel.

So I wasn't talking about what happens when you're slipping, but what happens with torque before you're spinning. Again, context of 2wd vs 1wd.

Clearly you need to read up on torque. Almost all North American vehicles have the differential biased to the left, meaning the right hand axle is longer. Thus the right hand tire actually gets more torque always, no matter what the traction. Torque is force x distance. It is why vehicles without locking diffs or posi, leave a black strip with the right tire only.

Just to help out, Wikipedia has at least a good rudimentary explanation.

Torque - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wild one · Dec 11, 2022

Dean2 said:
Clearly you need to read up on torque. Almost all North American vehicles have the differential biased to the left, meaning the right hand axle is longer. Thus the right hand tire actually gets more torque always, no matter what the traction. Torque is force x distance. It is why vehicles without locking diffs or posi, leave a black strip with the right tire only.

Just to help out, Wikipedia has at least a good rudimentary explanation.

Torque - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You have that backasswards,the pumpkin is usually offset to the right,and that makes the right hand axle the shorter axle,which will apply more torque to the right hand tire,due to the shorter axle having less twist when force is applied to it.The wikipedia article you refernced is talking about levers,not axles.The longer axle acts just like a longer extension on your rachet and socket,the longer the extension,the less torque applied to the socket,because of extension twist.Plus when you hammer the skinny pedal in drive,the torques twisting motion wants to lift the pass/right hand side of the diff up,that's why the old super stock style leaf spring Dodges had more leaves in the pass/right hand leaf spring pack.

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