My 5.7 is trashed

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No brand is perfect. Every brand has its problems.

Look at the Ford Triton engines. They were spitting out spark plugs and Ford did nothing to help it's customers. You were on your own and it wasn't a rare or random occurrence either. You're driving along and pow, a spark plug shoots out taking the coil pack with it and your engine sounds like an air compressor. If it's a van, good luck getting in there to drill and install a heli-coil.

At least the lifter/cam problem of the 5.7 doesn't happen that often and the tick is a pre-warning. But for all of us that had to deal with it, that sucks. If you have no knowledge of what that tick is indicating, you can end up with a big repair bill.

I guess we just "roll the dice" when it comes to ownership.
 

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No brand is perfect. Every brand has its problems.

Look at the Ford Triton engines. They were spitting out spark plugs and Ford did nothing to help it's customers. You were on your own and it wasn't a rare or random occurrence either. You're driving along and pow, a spark plug shoots out taking the coil pack with it and your engine sounds like an air compressor. If it's a van, good luck getting in there to drill and install a heli-coil.

At least the lifter/cam problem of the 5.7 doesn't happen that often and the tick is a pre-warning. But for all of us that had to deal with it, that sucks. If you have no knowledge of what that tick is indicating, you can end up with a big repair bill.

I guess we just "roll the dice" when it comes to ownership.
my truck never ticked - it was smooth as could be until the lifter froze and started squealing.

i agree about other brands having their problems for sure. The one thing about these Hemis though is they seem to be quite a bit more expensive (reman, new, or junkyard) than a chevy, ford, or toyota motor.
 
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The way that lifter cut through that cam lobe like butter is pretty ridiculous. It's pretty clear that the cam was of a garbage quality. All the lobes look to be worn significantly, just crazy, must have been some real soft metal.
I was driving the truck easy as it wasn't making any noise. As for the cam damage this was a Jasper reman with 75k miles put in 6 years ago. That #3 intake lifter had excessive slop in it so the needle bearings must have worn. The damage to the cam bearings and crank main bearings was significant making the top end fix a no go. Waiting on a dodge reman engine now.
 

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It’s funny when people talk about the hemi lifter failure like it’s the only manufacturer to have issues. GM actually has a major lawsuit against them for the same thing. Lifter failure, sticking or collapsed lifters causing major engine damage. Look it up. GM lifter failure. Ongoing issue. People are trying to get GM to issue a recall.
 

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I was driving the truck easy as it wasn't making any noise. As for the cam damage this was a Jasper reman with 75k miles put in 6 years ago. That #3 intake lifter had excessive slop in it so the needle bearings must have worn. The damage to the cam bearings and crank main bearings was significant making the top end fix a no go. Waiting on a dodge reman engine now.

That supports my theory that the lifters are not the source of the hemi tick, but the tick comes from pushrod tolerance.

I would say seeing that is a convincing reason not to go with jasper, shows what they use for a cam is not quality.

What was the reason for the jasper engine in the first place? Or should I say what killed the original engine?
 

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Man, those pictures are scary! That's some serious failure!

I believe you, but my thick head still doesn't get it.

If an intake valve stays open, it's only open to the top area of the cylinder above the piston. There is no oil there (compression chamber). Unless your rings are totally shot, how can oil get into the compression chamber? it's just compressed fuel/air mixture. No?

Perspective clouds a person's vision to the point you cannot picture the description rendering it false. :throw:

Glad you stuck with it and didn't learn the 10k mistake. :cheers:
 
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That supports my theory that the lifters are not the source of the hemi tick, but the tick comes from pushrod tolerance.

I would say seeing that is a convincing reason not to go with jasper, shows what they use for a cam is not quality.

What was the reason for the jasper engine in the first place? Or should I say what killed the original engine?
Cylinder 1 misfire. Same thing. Intake valve quit lifting. Never tore it down to inspect the damage just replaced it with the Jasper engine. Original engine had like 156k on it when it happened.
 

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Original engine like 156k. Jasper engine 75k. I have 230k on the truck.

what's your theory on the issue? I mean are you pushing your truck pretty hard or slacking on oil change intervals or anything? Or do you think its truly a design flaw?
 

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It’s funny when people talk about the hemi lifter failure like it’s the only manufacturer to have issues. GM actually has a major lawsuit against them for the same thing. Lifter failure, sticking or collapsed lifters causing major engine damage. Look it up. GM lifter failure. Ongoing issue. People are trying to get GM to issue a recall.
Yeah, makes you think about this need to squeeze just a little bit more mpg out of our engines by cancelling cylinders and stop/start at red lights.
For such little gain, is it worth it with all the failures? Or are the failures few and far between and if you are one of the "lucky" ones... sorry, but you're on your own pal.
 

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Pardon my ignorance, but what does the intake manifold have to do with a failed lifter/cam? There's no oil passing through it, only air/fuel mixture, correct?
Or is it a physical thing where it can only used once and won't mate up correctly a second time since these things are not metal anymore?
The first line in the 5.7 Hemi Description found in the service manual:


CAUTION:
If the engine has experienced a catastrophic failure, THE INTAKE MANIFOLD MUST BE REPLACED!

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Correct! Yea it was catastrophic, especially since I was 600 miles from home. I would hope Ram has corrected these inherant problems before I would even consider Ram again (especially at the prices they want for them now)
This was a symptom on 2006-2009 engines after an overheat. I believe this was addressed long go. Haven't heard of this issue in later versions.

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The first line in the 5.7 Hemi Description found in the service manual:


CAUTION:
If the engine has experienced a catastrophic failure, THE INTAKE MANIFOLD MUST BE REPLACED!

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Dusty
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Yeah, I get it now.
I thought we were on the subject of metal particles in the oil from a cam failure and couldn't understand how that would work it's way into the intake manifold.
It has now been explained that it wasn't the contaminated oil that was a concern. It was chunks of metal from a catastrophic failure. That makes perfect sense.
 

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2014 5.7 165k miles and still kicking. They’re not all bad. But sucks.
 
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what's your theory on the issue? I mean are you pushing your truck pretty hard or slacking on oil change intervals or anything? Or do you think its truly a design flaw?
I baby the truck. Never beat on it. Oil and filter changes every 3500 to 5k miles. Using I thought the best oil Mobil 1 full synthetic 5w 20. Never used any additive although I think I will now and switch to 5w 30 either pup or quaker state and lubegard. My theory I guess aligns with a lot I've read here. Low oil pressure at extended idle times. I may idle for a half hour a day. Too thin of oil 5w 20 not good enough. My climate is Alabama. Probably boost idle rpm a bit too on the new engine. I also suspect the old style lifter needle bearings as being the weak link in combination with cam metallurgy and user oil management or lack of management.
 

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This is my 2011 ram 2500 with the 5.7 cylinder 3 misfire. Ends up the lifter roller grooved the cam. When they pulled the cam the bearings are trashed. They pulled the oil pan and a rod or main bearing finding metal throughout.

Was supposed to be a simple cam and lifters looking like an engine now.

Just sickening.

The options are not good. Pull the block and wait on a machine shop to go thru everything and take weeks. Or get another reman.
I had same issue with misfire on cyl 5 dealer stated that only way was new engine since have to pull cam and lifters then read this was issue on trucks 2011 to 2014 bad cams Dodge did not issue recall so had mine cam and lifters replaced by mechanic and now perfect oh new engine would have been 9700 plus tax
 

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I had same issue with misfire on cyl 5 dealer stated that only way was new engine since have to pull cam and lifters then read this was issue on trucks 2011 to 2014 bad cams Dodge did not issue recall so had mine cam and lifters replaced by mechanic and now perfect oh new engine would have been 9700 plus tax
Would you mind me asking what it cost for your mechanic to do the cam and lifters?
 

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I had same issue with misfire on cyl 5 dealer stated that only way was new engine since have to pull cam and lifters then read this was issue on trucks 2011 to 2014 bad cams Dodge did not issue recall so had mine cam and lifters replaced by mechanic and now perfect oh new engine would have been 9700 plus tax
I don't believe the issue was ever the camshafts, and I've yet to see any metallurgical evidence to suggest it. Same with the camshafts on the GM motors.

There's much more evidence that the problem starts with the roller lifters.

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How long ago did it start giving the cylinder 3 code? When mine went out, it chewed the lobe up on the cam, but that thing looks like it has been grinding away for quite some time. Not hard to figure that you need a new engine, as much material as that ground away, it's likely in every rotating part.
 
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