Synthetic Oil

Burla said:

The issue being that it takes more electricty to generate hydrogen then you get from burning it, lmao? From your gov't, It takes more energy to produce hydrogen (by separating it from other elements in molecules) than hydrogen provides when it is converted to useful energy. I have to 2035 to get a couple old vehicles in my stable, I would like a 12v cummins if I can.

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Go get a nice one from texas. The california model 2nd gens had EGRs

Travis8352 said:

Go get a nice one from texas. The california model 2nd gens had EGRs

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thanks I did not know that.

My brother got his cummins in arizona to avoid the CA edition HO.

In the 60's, we were told we would all be driving flying cars like the Jetsons did.

Toyota is too logical for these times filled with hucksters.

My former boss was let go by Cummins with me and 2000 others, went to work for a Japanese manufacturer in the US and was shocked to find things as they used to be in most of US

I love our 4 banger toyota, runs like a top 13 years later only been in the shop for an alternator. If my wife ever leaves my ass, honey just leave the keys to the SUV you can take the bank account.

Speaking of EVs and how amazing they are:

Hemi395 said:

Speaking of EVs and how amazing they are:

Tesla owner says he had to cancel Christmas plans because car would not charge in freezing weather

Virginia radio personality Domenick Nati says he had to cancel Christmas plans because his Tesla S car would not charge when he plugged it in at multiple sites.

finance.yahoo.com

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Surely another trillion lines of unworkable software code will make everything all better.

Exactly! Software will fix how lithium batteries behave in the cold

@Travis8352 - when you plan to buy? I'm set on RL stock for a bit.

All - chatting it over with Travis and comparing myriad data sheet specs, I concur with him & HPL's recommendation of HPL Super Car 0W-30 for a number of reasons, year round, for those of us in northern North America. Clearly a premier motor oil. It isn't much more expensive than the next 'lesser' series Premium Plus either.

If'n y'all want to revisit specs, here is a repeat of my spec compilation -

My nephew just bought a tesla, so mis guided, mind you I like tesla's. He lives in his mommies house, and it is in SF, so good luck parking this 65k (after his rebate) car in the streets of SF. I mean damn kid, he paid cash, wouldn't buying a house and a hoopty a better strategy?

HEMIMANN said:

@Travis8352 - when you plan to buy? I'm set on RL stock for a bit.

All - chatting it over with Travis and comparing myriad data sheet specs, I concur with him & HPL's recommendation of HPL Super Car 0W-30 for a number of reasons, year round, for those of us in northern North America. Clearly a premier motor oil. It isn't much more expensive than the next 'lesser' series Premium Plus either.

If'n y'all want to revisit specs, here is a repeat of my spec compilation -

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My supercar 0w30 is on its way! Im like a kid on christmas morning over here lol. Ill update you guys when its in!

Travis8352 said:

My supercar 0w30 is on its way! Im like a kid on christmas morning over here lol. Ill update you guys when its in!

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With shipping what it is, probly won't see it til next Christmas morning...

HEMIMANN said:

@Travis8352 - when you plan to buy? I'm set on RL stock for a bit.

All - chatting it over with Travis and comparing myriad data sheet specs, I concur with him & HPL's recommendation of HPL Super Car 0W-30 for a number of reasons, year round, for those of us in northern North America. Clearly a premier motor oil. It isn't much more expensive than the next 'lesser' series Premium Plus either.

If'n y'all want to revisit specs, here is a repeat of my spec compilation -

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So for a fella like me who can't read spec sheets on oil all that well; what is the main advantage of super car 0w-30 over the premium plus 0w-30 that I'm running? And what about any potential downsides?

ramffml said:

So for a fella like me who can't read spec sheets on oil all that well; what is the main advantage of super car 0w-30 over the premium plus 0w-30 that I'm running? And what about any potential downsides?

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I would say the only real difference will be hths. Its 2 points lower cst@100 on the premium plus but other than that its just as stout. Detergent package is different (high magnesium/low calcium vs supercar high calcium/low magnesium) but its no less stout and slightly lower zddp but its still pao/ester/an. I was going to run the premium plus 5w30 but david @HPL said as long as im not burning oil he recomendeds the supercar. I dont think you went wrong at all

From Dave @ HPL -

Below is a summary of the different offerings in the passenger car category:
PCMO Premium - same as above but with a star polymer instead of OCP - very good in cold climates
PCMO Premium Plus - same as the premium but made with a group IV PAO - extremely good in cold climates
SuperCar - These are euro specification multi-synthetic oils made with Group IV PAOs, esters, and AN. We originally made this to sell to a niche market of supercar owners - targeting the 0W-40 viscosity. Same as the EURO oil above, each viscosity meets/exceeds the performance specifications of a different set of specs

SuperCar adds the esters Red Line has, PLUS AN's which are a superior ester (newer molecule). Also per Travis it goes back to non API SP formula with high Calcium moderate Magnesium.

There are substantial viscosity and HTHS differences between Premium Plus & Super Car 0W-30 due to this

Super Car Vis @ 100C 12.2 cSt
Premium Plus Vis @ 100C 10.0 cSt

Super Car HTHS vis @ 150C 3.5 cP
Premium Plus HTHS vis @ 150C 3.0 cP

Based on these typical properties, I'd expect Super Car to have significantly lower NOACK evaporation also.

Cold temperature wise, they have near identical Pour Point Temperatures, however -
Super Car has higher Cold Cranking Simulator vis than Premium Plus - but - but - but - it is identical to Red Line 0W-30!

Conclusion = HPL replicated Red Line 0W-30 with improved ester.
You can't see all this stuff unless you lay it out on a spreadsheet and study it, like I did above.

HEMIMANN said:

Conclusion = HPL replicated Red Line 0W-30 with improved ester.

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They didn't actually replicate it. It's more than that. Red Line 0W-30 (the old formulation) had an API SL - era additive package that was top-treated with Molybdenum MoDTC and ZDDP (more of each). Red Line uses a majority PAO base stock and a large amount of POE co-base. The new formulation of Red Line uses a lesser API SP additive package and they are moving towards thicker Esters. The poor pour points and lower NOACK indicates that Red Line started using heavier Esters (so to speak). It's either that, or they are cheapening their oils to satisfy their corporate overlords. Time and testing will tell, I suppose.

I had a post about the new Red Line 0W-20 and 0W-30 on BITOG that I noticed was shared around here a while back. I hope it helped at least some you guys that use Red Line 0W-30 during the Winter.

What makes HPL Supercar 0W-30 special:
The formulation uses a majority PAO base stock, with Esters and ANs as co-bases. Esters help with cleaning and solvency, ANs do that plus add heat resistance and augment the additive package (so to speak). The additive package is a modern VW502/Porsche A40/MB 229.5 approved package (Infineum). It uses Trimer and Dimer Molybdenum compounds. It uses up to the max-efficiency Trimer and the rest is Dimer. It has a HTHS of 3.5, unlike Red Line 0W-30 which has a HTHS of 3.2~3.3. The HPL 0W-30 is ideal for all-year-around use.

The bottom line is that both Red Line and HPL make great products, and that you can't go wrong with either. And if the budget is tight, there is always Mobil 1 FS 0W-40, which contains a decent amount of Esters per Oil-Club.ru.

Here is an FTIR analysis of Mobil 1 FS 0W-40 (No, it does not contain the crazy amount of POE that Red Line does). However, PUP, PP, QS FS, QS Euro, Castrol, and SuperTech don't contain any Esters or ANs that help with cleaning, solvency, or additive augmentation. These oils use Group 1 as the additive carrier. Consequently, these oils that I just listed don't clean your HEMI at all, and if they create varnish or other gunk, well, it will stay there, because they can't clean after themselves.

The Yellow Marker is Ester, and there is a pretty good amount of it in Mobil 1 FS 0W-40. If money is tight and you have a ticking and/or neglected HEMI, a $15 quart of HPL EC30 engine cleaner and 6 quarts of Mobil 1 FS 0W-40 should clean up your HEMI in about 2000 miles or so. At least change the oil filter at 2000 miles and let it clean for the entire OCI. The HPL EC30 engine cleaner is a fully formulated motor oil using Ester as the base stock (yes, the entire base stock is Ester) and a HDEO additive package with ~1000ppm ZDDP and ~100ppm Trimer Moly. It also doesn't contain VII, it's a SAE 30 motor oil. Forget Lubegard Bio-Tech, that's old tech.




For comparison, here is Red Line Euro 5W-30 from 2022. It turns out that what stops the HEMI TICK and quiets down the HEMI is the Ester, not the Moly (Yellow Marker is a boat-load of Ester):



Quick note: what about AMSOIL?

Well, AMSOIL also uses POE, but not quite as much as Red Line. Also, AMSOIL SS 0W-20, 0W-30, 5W-20, 5W-30, and 10W-30 are all Resource Conserving oils. Therefore you might get the cleaning benefits of Ester, but you're not getting the MOFT of Red Line 0/5W-30.

@Hemi395 was right to use AMSOIL 0W-40 - it has HTHS of 3.7 (IIRC) and POE. A very good replacement for Red Line 5W-30.



Now, imagine how good a motor oil that has both ANs and Ester is for the HEMI.

Amsoil is like Amazon; go online, order, bam…on my doorstep two days later with filters and o-rings. Anyone using Quartz yet?

But by golly there's less sulfur coming out of the tailpipe by a microscopic amount!