Death of the V8 & birth of a.... Inline 6?

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It's been 60 years since we built the last refinery. Leases are cancelled, moratoriums are in place, there's no ramping up of production occurring.
Double digit per gallon prices, nationwide rolling blackouts, first time in our history begging for foreign food aid, etc. etc.

Most of us aren't rich enough to ignore reality.
You been hanging out with Chicken Little? ;)
 

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GM's 3.6 V-6 is trash. BIG time timing chain issues plague them.
I've not heard of that. Or maybe I have but they fixed it? There have been a few iterations and are on the LGX currently. Asside from that, it makes good power and surprising MPG, so it's at least a good example that N/A 6 ought to still be in the running against forced 4.
 

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A few years ago BMW replaced their legendary and beloved I6 engine in favor of a turbo 4. It's not the same car anymore. A lot of BMW enthusiasts (me included) were completely turned off. They just don't drive like a BMW anymore. Yes, they get better gas mileage, and a little better HP and acceleration...but it's just not the same. It's hard to explain if you haven't owned older BMWs. It took a lot of the enjoyment out of driving a BMW.
 
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A few years ago BMW got rid of their legendary and beloved I6 engine in favor of a turbo 4. It's not the same car anymore. A lot of BMW enthusiasts (me included) were completely turned off. They just don't drive like a BMW anymore. Yes, they get better gas mileage, and a little better HP and acceleration...but it's just not the same. It's hard to explain if you haven't owned older BMWs. It took a lot of the enjoyment out of driving a BMW.

I heard they installed functional turn signals in the new ones as well. Completely changed the brand...
 

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I had one of those 4.9L Ford inline 6 engines in an F250 back in the 80's.

It wasn't fast, but it had unbelievable torque, especially when mated to a 4x4 and manual transmission with the granny first gear.

Don't get me wrong, it would still get up to highway speed and further, but it took just a little longer.

If I shifted it into 4x4 low and into (granny) first gear, that thing would tear a house down.

Just think of how large the pistons would be for only 6 of them to equal 4.9L.

And with today's technology and turbos, I'll bet these engines can perform much better than the 80's versions.

So, if you want fast...no, but if you want amazing torque....
 

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If they really cared for the environment and thought fossil fuels were actually causing it they would bring manufacturering back to America. That would do more for CO2 than tacking 2 cylinders off of every car. As it would ellemenate a lot of cargo ships.

"It has been estimated that just one of these container ships, the length of around six football pitches, can produce the same amount of pollution as 50 million cars. The emissions from 15 of these mega-ships match those from all the cars in the world. And if the shipping industry were a country, it would be ranked between Germany and Japan as the sixth-largest contributor to global CO2 emissions."
This is so true. And those ships use the most polluting form of fuel out there.
Look it up. They burn a rediculous amount of fuel per hour. It's shocking.

I don't get why our powers that be insist on buying oil from overseas.
Besides the waste of energy and pollution produced from these ships, those countries don't have the stringent environmental restrictions that we have here.

It all doesn't make sense. And when something doesn't make sense, you can bet someone is lining their pockets.
 

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I like to pull along side them and wave a 'Howdy", we met again wave.

Sometimes, just to be onery, as I see one of those idiots pull up behind, I roll down my window and make the "Cop Ahead' Sign, in the air.

If I'm driving fast, it's not because I'm in a hurry. It's because it amuses me to do so. We may both be at the same light, but I had more fun getting here. :D I bought my current Camaro after being 1st place in a gunfight, life's too short and capricious to worry about speed limits.

As far as a ticket, if I get one I get one. You can't take my birthday.
 

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I have seen so much about this upcoming engine. My main wonder isn't will it be a good motor, and make for a long lasting vehicle. I just want to know, how is the community going to receive/is receiving the death of the v8? What do you think about the future of CDJR products with this being the new "big dog" in town so to speak?
My 1995 E320 had an inline 6 and I loved it. It was the M104 engine if you are familiar with Mercedes engines. 3.2L with 220HP, great powerband. Sound was good too. But I6 have cooling issues, right between 3rd and 4th cylinder. This was one of many reasons why the V6 made an appearance in passenger cars. I don't mind I6 engines, but what FCA is doing is 100% political (everyone knows it) and as we also know, nothing is forever. So never say never. With new leadership we'll get different products, that's just how it goes. Currently I do not like what they are doing, but I'll hang on to the vehicles we have and try to be patient (I'm not a patient person) with their strategy. If worse comes to worst, I'll buy something different. I'm brand loyal because I want to, not because I have to.
 

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I've not heard of that. Or maybe I have but they fixed it? There have been a few iterations and are on the LGX currently. Asside from that, it makes good power and surprising MPG, so it's at least a good example that N/A 6 ought to still be in the running against forced 4.
I can buy a LOT of gas for the cost of the timing chain job on the 3.6L engine in GM products. The engine has to be removed from the bottom to do it.
 

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I can buy a LOT of gas for the cost of the timing chain job on the 3.6L engine in GM products. The engine has to be removed from the bottom to do it.
Yieks... Looks like the LY7 and LLT versions are out. After that it's not fixed but less common, so GM almost made a good engine. They also put bad transmission fluid in their A8 that would fry torque converters, so I guess I'm not too surprised.
 

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This is so true. And those ships use the most polluting form of fuel out there.
Look it up. They burn a rediculous amount of fuel per hour. It's shocking.

I don't get why our powers that be insist on buying oil from overseas.
Besides the waste of energy and pollution produced from these ships, those countries don't have the stringent environmental restrictions that we have here.

It all doesn't make sense. And when something doesn't make sense, you can bet someone is lining their pockets.
But then we wouldn't get these marvelous powerplants.
 

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If I'm driving fast, it's not because I'm in a hurry. It's because it amuses me to do so. We may both be at the same light, but I had more fun getting here. :D I bought my current Camaro after being 1st place in a gunfight, life's too short and capricious to worry about speed limits.

As far as a ticket, if I get one I get one. You can't take my birthday.
They can take away yer birthday, permanently, just a saying. IF I want to go faster, I just push on the skinny pedal to the right. IF I want to go real fast, I pull out my Goldwing. The only problem with that is, I really do not need nor want to donate to any local Govt entity, LOL.
 

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@turkeybird56 I'm not sure if you're aware but your sig is unreadable with those colors you selected. I'm sure it looks fine if you're using the dark forum style, but for those of using the light/white style it can't be read. Best option is to rewrite your sig without choosing a color, that way the forum will change the color automatically to white or black depending on which theme we're using to read the forum.
 

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@turkeybird56 I'm not sure if you're aware but your sig is unreadable with those colors you selected. I'm sure it looks fine if you're using the dark forum style, but for those of using the light/white style it can't be read. Best option is to rewrite your sig without choosing a color, that way the forum will change the color automatically to white or black depending on which theme we're using to read the forum.
Hmmmm, yeah I got dark screen on, hee hee.
 

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@turkeybird56 I'm not sure if you're aware but your sig is unreadable with those colors you selected. I'm sure it looks fine if you're using the dark forum style, but for those of using the light/white style it can't be read. Best option is to rewrite your sig without choosing a color, that way the forum will change the color automatically to white or black depending on which theme we're using to read the forum.
OK, is this any better, see this post?
 

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AHH yes relying on electronics at what cost vs a metal stick!!!! after all dip sticks have always been so usless, and people had to go to college to learn how they worked!! IT always amazes me how "old simply functioning" things are tossed for electronic gizmos. Everyone want to look at a screen and just push a button. Just think of the cost savings (to make, install, and repair) just this one item on one car. Multiply that times the number of cars produced a year. And no one can figure out how to keep costs down. Times push buttoms on friges, micro wave, and on and on. Power windows that still require an electric motor, but now also a module so you do not have to hold the button for a half-a-second to lower it, lights on the control so you can see that you just put yor finger there to make it go.
They were talking a few years ago that vehicle might go 24 volt as the weight savings in a vehicle (wiring,switches,etc) could be as much as a 100 plus pounds per car, do to being able to use smaller guage wire, and hardware. Progress isn't it great!!!!
 

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AHH yes relying on electronics at what cost vs a metal stick!!!! after all dip sticks have always been so usless, and people had to go to college to learn how they worked!! IT always amazes me how "old simply functioning" things are tossed for electronic gizmos. Everyone want to look at a screen and just push a button. Just think of the cost savings (to make, install, and repair) just this one item on one car. Multiply that times the number of cars produced a year. And no one can figure out how to keep costs down. Times push buttoms on friges, micro wave, and on and on. Power windows that still require an electric motor, but now also a module so you do not have to hold the button for a half-a-second to lower it, lights on the control so you can see that you just put yor finger there to make it go.
They were talking a few years ago that vehicle might go 24 volt as the weight savings in a vehicle (wiring,switches,etc) could be as much as a 100 plus pounds per car, do to being able to use smaller guage wire, and hardware. Progress isn't it great!!!!
Sometimes great, sometimes immensely stupid and wasteful, like the EV, and battery packs and and, wonder what the real hit gonna be to the environment, LOL.
 

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I agree never heard of one breaking, but have heard of them missing!!! that is what going to college for dipstick use technology will fix!
 

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Those car do not polute, But the batteries in the landfils are toxic. I wonder where al the aaaa,aaa,aa, 9 volt, c's, d,s nicklecads ETC. are and how long before they "selfdestruct". But thank god there is no tail pipe cause it (EV'S) would polute if they had one.
 
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