Death of the V8 & birth of a.... Inline 6?

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Sherman Bird

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Yieks... Looks like the LY7 and LLT versions are out. After that it's not fixed but less common, so GM almost made a good engine. They also put bad transmission fluid in their A8 that would fry torque converters, so I guess I'm not too surprised.
ATF never fried a torque converter. Heat did. That might be towing with a vehicle without the towing package which includes an auxiliary cooler, heavier duty radiator, different final drive ratio, etc., or not shifting from overdrive to direct drive while towing OR loading up say, a Suburban with a huge interior load. Having been an automatic transmission specialist for GM and ford for over 20 years, I've heard the urban legends and been trained by the factory to know what true root cause is, and how to determine root cause of failure. If not, the problem keeps repeating.

Urban legends are tough to debunk...
 

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Those car do not polute, But the batteries in the landfils are toxic. I wonder where al the aaaa,aaa,aa, 9 volt, c's, d,s nicklecads ETC. are and how long before they "selfdestruct". But thank god there is no tail pipe cause it (EV'S) would polute if they had one.
Generation of the electricity to charge an EV around Houston incorporated fossil fuel burning generation stations. Generally natural gas. I do not accept the belief that EV's save anything. It seems that there is an exchange of fuel cost. There is no free energy.
 

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Remember the recent California rolling blackouts? Can't handle the current electricity requirements....now they want to add millions of vehicles to the demand. I lived in California for 6 years. That place is a disaster.
 

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A few years ago BMW got rid of their legendary and beloved I6 engine in favor of a turbo 4. It's not the same car anymore.
I guess the S58 I6 3.0 twin turbo that puts out around 450hp doesn't count?
 

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ATF never fried a torque converter. Heat did. That might be towing with a vehicle without the towing package which includes an auxiliary cooler, heavier duty radiator, different final drive ratio, etc., or not shifting from overdrive to direct drive while towing OR loading up say, a Suburban with a huge interior load. Having been an automatic transmission specialist for GM and ford for over 20 years, I've heard the urban legends and been trained by the factory to know what true root cause is, and how to determine root cause of failure. If not, the problem keeps repeating.

Urban legends are tough to debunk...
This was a huge Camaro problem for a couple years. A Cadillac was affected but not sure about trucks. I think it was only the rwd A8. They had some improperly formulated ATF that cause horrendous TC chatter. Multiple fluid changes didn't help and would still fry a new TC. The final fix was two, special power flushes and a TC change.
 

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I actually BROKE a bowling ball at Fairmont Lanes in Camillus NY in the mid seventies!!!! Had the local police called on me and everything!@!!!! Because I am a professional bowler and was always bored out of my skull when the wife dragged me there, I did Drag race bowling!!! I used the locations 14lb. ball ( never got my own HP ball to modify ) I was at the drag strip each weekend so it seemed like the normal thing to do! Here's how it workes: Stand on your (lane - that's what is at a drag strip. Alley's are a narrow city street). Stand as close to the seating area as possible ( better hole shot). Wait for the person in the next "LANE" to toss his/her ball toward the pins (finish line), Then throttle DOWN, I would throw my ball at the pins ( remember finish line). OBJECT to hit and pin before their ball got there. Gutter balls were considered a automatic FOUL!!!!
The problem occured when I had thrown a gutter ( but I could really make that 14lb ball fly- sometimes it would go out 5-6 feet before it touched down on the "lane" (wheely don't ya know). It got almost to the end of the gutter and flew STRAIGHT UP into the pin swipe/setting machine which came crashing down. BOY was that noticed by everyone, management was called, they called police ETC. However in the meantime the ball returned and had a piece missing out of it. So the evidence was located just after police arrived. Turns out that the ball had such a Spin on it (never got enough traction) that it had found a sheet metal screw in the gutter, which is what caused that ball to rocket straight up. Now all the apologizes started for the short fused and false accusations. I was told to go to the local PRO BOWLER shop and pick up any ball I wanted. This is a TRUE STORY!!!! Up to a few years ago I still had that ball and the bag it was in. However noone ever asked me to go bowling again!!! Even when my exwifes family came to Syracuse area to visit - GO FIGURE!!! So the ball/bag finally mad the dumpster.
Sorry I had to eright all this and change the subject of this thread. But the words broken balling ball did it! But as I say TRUE!!!!!!
I'll sign out and go cook the Happy bugers.
 

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I guess the S58 I6 3.0 twin turbo that puts out around 450hp doesn't count?
Is that the new M engine? That is not what they replaced the old 3 and 5 series I6 with.
 
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I actually BROKE a bowling ball at Fairmont Lanes in Camillus NY in the mid seventies!!!! Had the local police called on me and everything!@!!!! Because I am a professional bowler and was always bored out of my skull when the wife dragged me there, I did Drag race bowling!!! I used the locations 14lb. ball ( never got my own HP ball to modify ) I was at the drag strip each weekend so it seemed like the normal thing to do! Here's how it workes: Stand on your (lane - that's what is at a drag strip. Alley's are a narrow city street). Stand as close to the seating area as possible ( better hole shot). Wait for the person in the next "LANE" to toss his/her ball toward the pins (finish line), Then throttle DOWN, I would throw my ball at the pins ( remember finish line). OBJECT to hit and pin before their ball got there. Gutter balls were considered a automatic FOUL!!!!
The problem occured when I had thrown a gutter ( but I could really make that 14lb ball fly- sometimes it would go out 5-6 feet before it touched down on the "lane" (wheely don't ya know). It got almost to the end of the gutter and flew STRAIGHT UP into the pin swipe/setting machine which came crashing down. BOY was that noticed by everyone, management was called, they called police ETC. However in the meantime the ball returned and had a piece missing out of it. So the evidence was located just after police arrived. Turns out that the ball had such a Spin on it (never got enough traction) that it had found a sheet metal screw in the gutter, which is what caused that ball to rocket straight up. Now all the apologizes started for the short fused and false accusations. I was told to go to the local PRO BOWLER shop and pick up any ball I wanted. This is a TRUE STORY!!!! Up to a few years ago I still had that ball and the bag it was in. However noone ever asked me to go bowling again!!! Even when my exwifes family came to Syracuse area to visit - GO FIGURE!!! So the ball/bag finally mad the dumpster.
Sorry I had to eright all this and change the subject of this thread. But the words broken balling ball did it! But as I say TRUE!!!!!!
I'll sign out and go cook the Happy bugers.
WE used to go to the Bowling Alley late at night and close it down, Brews and Bowling. 1st Ball was to try and break anything, 2nd for score, LOL.
 

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It's in the 5-series, among other choices. You can get that 4cyl, or the V8.
I assume that would be in the M5. My old 528 with the I6 was the finest vehicle I've ever owned. There's an episode of Top Gear where Jeremy Clarkson test drives an M5 and calls it the "perfect" car.
 

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I don't get why our powers that be insist on buying oil from overseas.
Besides the waste of energy and pollution produced from these ships, those countries don't have the stringent environmental restrictions that we have here.

It all doesn't make sense. And when something doesn't make sense, you can bet someone is lining their pockets.

Consumers are lining their pockets by buying the cheapest stuff they can. When I was young you'd go to Wal-mart and see signs that said something like "this toaster oven created 17 jobs in Bumbleton, AR" or some such. Then those signs went away because toaster ovens were cheaper to build in China and customers were more than willing to save $2 to put their neighbors out of work. Wal-mart grew into the behemoth we knew today (hey kids, Wal-mart used to close down, didn't sell groceries, and there was no such thing as a Super Wal-mart) and continued to hammer suppliers for cost cutting and more sent the labor overseas. The manufacturing economy started to die as we were told how great it was we were becoming a 'service economy' instead. Wal-mart overtook GM as the largest employer in the nation. Companies like GE quietly moved manufacturing abroad for some products and consumers didn't even pay attention that the item that used to be built in Louisville was not built in China because "GE is an American brand". Unions were demonized, actual wages for blue collar workers dropped, those with less money gravitate to cheaper products, Wal-mart keeps gaining power, the cycle perpetuates.

Then...NAFTA. Politics are forbidden here, but economically a disaster for the US and one that continues to haunt blue collar workers without delivering on the promises made. Shocking, but Perot warned us of the giant sucking sound that was Mexico taking jobs under the new rules.

Then...Amazon and the entire Internet economy, again putting downward pressure on suppliers. Why would I buy a sleeping bag for $150 when I can get it for $145 from a different website? It's not like the old brick & mortar world where I had to spend the money and time to drive to a less convenient store, if I even knew it existed, or call around for prices, etc. Now I can use automated searches to get the best price for a product.

Our politicians and heads of industry hold much of the blame, but if we as consumers didn't buy them then no "powers that be" could mandate imported goods. But we're not going to, so the cycle will continue.
 

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I had the 300 6, in a 1985 F-150 with 4 speed. We pulled some trailers with
it every year and it did well. I think a better engine than the little 302 V8.
The new Stelantis I-6 is nothing like the simple Ford engine, hard to make
any comparison.
The I-6 is coming as it is much better with emmissions, that was stated long ago
as a reason for replacing the 5.7 hemi.

By the way, when will that new I-6 be put into any production trucks or cars ?
 

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I had the 300 6, in a 1985 F-150 with 4 speed. We pulled some trailers with
it every year and it did well. I think a better engine than the little 302 V8.
The new Stelantis I-6 is nothing like the simple Ford engine, hard to make
any comparison.
The I-6 is coming as it is much better with emmissions, that was stated long ago
as a reason for replacing the 5.7 hemi.

By the way, when will that new I-6 be put into any production trucks or cars ?
It’s already in the Grand Wagoneer…late 2023 or 2024 for the trucks?
 

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Now, don’t get me wrong, I love my V8’s, including the current one. But most of the angst in this thread is just not warranted. Pretty much everything we buy, eat, consume and so on was delivered by a turbo inline 6. I didn’t -and won’t- read this entire thread. Nor bother to argue the technical pros and cons.

I’ll just say as a past and present owner of diesel and gas forced induction engines, I’m not worried. Bring on the boost!
 

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I like my present V8 and all my past ones, but an inline 6 is intriguing. With more room in the engine bay from elimination of the opposing cylinders, more things can be electrical and there is room for the extra batteries; doing this could reduce the parasitic strain on the engine with belt driven stuff. It should also be easier to remove more of the engine vibration. And with things like super and turbo-charging (with more room again for such) there should be more of everything we want except weight and wires, etc.
 

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Nope. You can get it in the 540i. Doesn' t have to be an M car.
The 540 has the B58 with about 335HP. The in-line 6 is also offered on their 2,3,4,5,7,8, X3,X4,X5,X6,X7, and Z4 models, so not sure why anyone thinks they’re gone from the lineup. As for the upcoming I6 TT for the Ram, like others I’ll give it a few years to work the kinks out, but wouldn’t be opposed to more power and less weight.
 

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I like my present V8 and all my past ones, but an inline 6 is intriguing. With more room in the engine bay from elimination of the opposing cylinders, more things can be electrical and there is room for the extra batteries; doing this could reduce the parasitic strain on the engine with belt driven stuff. It should also be easier to remove more of the engine vibration. And with things like super and turbo-charging (with more room again for such) there should be more of everything we want except weight and wires, etc.

And displacement. This motor has burnout written all over it. See: Ford Ecoboost architecture.

For grocery getting it will be fine. For truck users that don't trade every couple of years, not so much.
 
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