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Or when members here tell posters that payload doesn't matter. 6500lb axle rating...he'll be fine
Wouldn't common sense tell you that something with that much overhang isn't a good idea?
Physics wins every time.
Glad you brought up physics. Note how much the camper extends the length of the rig. That creates a significantly longer lever between the 900 pounds of engine on the front, to the extreme weight of the camper at the back. A lever takes the downward torque at the business end and well, leverages it. Pushing down quickly, like from a bump, put an upward moment of torque on the front end. The mild-steel frame is flexible but not that flexible, and it couldn't take the strain. That's why Archimedes said, "Had I but a long enough lever, I could lift the earth."
 

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Glad you brought up physics. Note how much the camper extends the length of the rig. That creates a significantly longer lever between the 900 pounds of engine on the front, to the extreme weight of the camper at the back. A lever takes the downward torque at the business end and well, leverages it. Pushing down quickly, like from a bump, put an upward moment of torque on the front end. The mild-steel frame is flexible but not that flexible, and it couldn't take the strain. That's why Archimedes said, "Had I but a long enough lever, I could lift the earth."
In the pic in the original post that Ram appears to be a short bed with a camper meant for an 8' bed so that multiplies that lever even more
 

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Most definitely overloaded. That aside, you would hope that your frame is capable of holding double. I think the article I read from the people this happened to claimed that they were overloaded as well. That's just a cheap cheesy way for FCA to deny warranty. They should have an independent company inspect it.
If you think he was overloaded, why do you think the manufacturer is being "cheap" and "cheesy" about denying a claim? Manufacturers are not obligated to engage an independent analysis of the damage and cause at time-of-claim. That would likely, perhaps, come into play in a lawsuit.

But...in a discussion of liability, I'm curious about what the camper manufacturer and the installing dealer has to say about all this?

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BAWHAHAHAHAH That guy is in oregon. My employee made a video of him this last week. He is still driving his truck like that....
That truck will eventually end of in Canada. . . .U.S. Title eliminated, repaired, and re-introduced to the U.S. Market with a "No-Flaw" Title.
We WILL be seeing that truck again!
 

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Saw this on a auto blog today. Makes me cringe. Apparently this couple has had this RV in back of this 3500 for 25k miles until this happened. FCA is denying warranty on the frame.
But most folks don't look at the weight carrying capabilities of these trucks. That camper probably ways more than what that truck is rated for. I have seen this stuff happen a lot since I was in the RV hauling business for a while. Sure, those don't look very heavy, but those campers are the heaviest on the rear behind the rear axles. That is probably why they won't warranty it.
 

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I’m not engineer,
I think has 2 maybe 3 points here,

tail weight is really heavy. It left the front end. ( as see in all pic the fame is bent up) put all weight of truck on back axle.
Falling to keep the between the axle.

Not mention it
Really dangerous driving conditions.
(Old Ford and dodge E350 vans 15 passenger van , rolled over killing
Hundred passengers.)
A long bed would help here,

2 the Baja Mexico road are not flat
Road. roll up an down. Road are not cut an fill like here in USA.
They low cost most hand paved road
Minimum equipment used.
And road damage to vehicles is common.

3 tail weight are like a wrench
A bike / box / wheel chair, weight
75lbs 5 feet in back axle can act
Like few hundred pounds on back wheels side to side motion,
Please think about before bolt
Your grandfather electric wheelchair
To back of a car.

$17000 maybe good deal Vs
Hurt or kill somebody in Mexico.
 
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If you think he was overloaded, why do you think the manufacturer is being "cheap" and "cheesy" about denying a claim? Manufacturers are not obligated to engage an independent analysis of the damage and cause at time-of-claim. That would likely, perhaps, come into play in a lawsuit.

But...in a discussion of liability, I'm curious about what the camper manufacturer and the installing dealer has to say about all this?

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Sadly it NOT the Camper Manufacturer and/or the selling Dealer that is at fault.
The truck owner is the ONLY guilty party . . . .PERIOD!
 

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I just posted this because of a friend sent me the same pic in a text message. MY guess would be because that camper with all of his gear in the back he would be overloaded. The specs on the camper he is carrying says the dry weight of that camper is 4917lbs. Probably more than that if he optioned it out. That would be my guess...
 

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Sadly it NOT the Camper Manufacturer and/or the selling Dealer that is at fault.
The truck owner is the ONLY guilty party . . . .PERIOD!
Actually, I would argue that point. I used to haul campers to dealerships for a living. A dealership is there to sell campers nothing more. They don't say the whole truth about telling someone that the vehicle there going to pull it with is too small to do the job safely. Their job is the sell a camper. So, I disagree with your statement, that camper in the picture actually probably weighed 6 to 7000 lbs. loaded something the dealership should have mentioned to the owners. But most don't.
 

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Most definitely overloaded. That aside, you would hope that your frame is capable of holding double. I think the article I read from the people this happened to claimed that they were overloaded as well. That's just a cheap cheesy way for FCA to deny warranty. They should have an independent company inspect it.
Nope. Stellantis is 100% correct to deny the warranty. 100%.
 

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Actually, I would argue that point. I used to haul campers to dealerships for a living. A dealership is there to sell campers nothing more. They don't say the whole truth about telling someone that the vehicle there going to pull it with is too small to do the job safely. Their job is the sell a camper. So, I disagree with your statement, that camper in the picture actually probably weighed 6 to 7000 lbs. loaded something the dealership should have mentioned to the owners. But most don't.

I believe in personal responsibility. Whatever you're driving or hooking up to, it's your responsibility to make sure you can drive it safely and that you 100% know what you're doing in terms of exceeding limits (yours or the trucks etc). If a dealer tells you "you can pull it", it's still your responsibility to make sure you actually can.

So in terms of "fault", it's all on this owner.

But a dealer who doesn't at least try to warn a newbie is pretty scummy regardless. Part of being a basic human being, you see an accident about to happen, you warn them, even if that means you take home a little less money that day.
 

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Saw this on a auto blog today. Makes me cringe. Apparently this couple has had this RV in back of this 3500 for 25k miles until this happened. FCA is denying warranty on the frame.
I'd deny it too. he's in Baja and must have hit something or he's overloaded. These hydroformed frames are super strong.
 

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That is true what you said but the dealerships don't do it. I hauled a 5th wheel to a dealer last year a 42'toy hauler. The dealership told the person there 3/4ton pickup would haul that with no problem. They were right in a sense a 3/4-ton truck could haul it at its empty weight which was 16,500 but loaded down with his toys in the back it would struggle. That was never mentioned. Also, none of them mention the braking power going down a mountain which I think is stupid. But I'm not into selling campers. I own a 1 ton dually with air bags Laramie Limited edition with a 6.7 stock none deleted truck.
 

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Makes me think of Forrest Gump: Stupid is as stupid does.
 
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Actually, I would argue that point. I used to haul campers to dealerships for a living. A dealership is there to sell campers nothing more. They don't say the whole truth about telling someone that the vehicle there going to pull it with is too small to do the job safely. Their job is the sell a camper. So, I disagree with your statement, that camper in the picture actually probably weighed 6 to 7000 lbs. loaded something the dealership should have mentioned to the owners. But most don't.
Your answer doesn't change my assessment. . . you are entitled to disagree!
Your assumption, much like mine, was that "possibly" the truck owner didn't hear what others were saying (he didn't want to hear anything else), and made the decision based on what he "thought" he heard?
 

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Let's be fair here and get all the facts out on the table before the Bowtie and Blue Oval boys get too giggly!.
The short of it is that this owner (Bloggers called a "MORON") OVERLOADED THIS DODGE PICKUP then drove it 25,000 miles all over the U.S., all over the Rocky Mountains and then finally finished it off in a several hundred-mile (very bumpy) trip down the Baja Highway in Old Mexico.
The owner used capacity limits for a two-wheel drive standard cab, standard bed, gas engine truck (7,680 lbs.) He also used the slide-in dry weight approx.5,000 lbs.
This was a four-wheel drive, crew cab, diesel which per factory specifications, the max capacity of this truck, as configured, was 5,850 lbs. The loaded camper weighed more like 7,000 lbs. fully loaded for a long trip with 30% of it hanging off the back plus-- a motorcycle, bikes etc. hanging off behind that. Weight distribution and center-of-gravity matters also.
From there its very simple really--WARRANTY VOIDED. The right decision Chrysler!!!
Also, germane here, is the fact this owner ignored the information in the driver's door jamb and chose to put an 8 foot "slide-in" camper in a 6.4 foot bed!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Let's be fair here and get all the facts out on the table before the Bowtie and Blue Oval boys get too giggly!.
The short of it is that this owner (Bloggers called a "MORON") OVERLOADED THIS DODGE PICKUP then drove it 25,000 miles all over the U.S., all over the Rocky Mountains and then finally finished it off in a several hundred-mile (very bumpy) trip down the Baja Highway in Old Mexico.
The owner used capacity limits for a two-wheel drive standard cab, standard bed, gas engine truck (7,680 lbs.) He also used the slide-in dry weight approx.5,000 lbs.
This was a four-wheel drive, crew cab, diesel which per factory specifications, the max capacity of this truck, as configured, was 5,850 lbs. The loaded camper weighed more like 7,000 lbs. fully loaded for a long trip with 30% of it hanging off the back plus-- a motorcycle, bikes etc. hanging off behind that. Weight distribution matters also.
From there its very simple really--WARRANTY VOIDED. The right decision Chrysler!!!
 
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