Indeed... However, the real question is: will the RAM like you?
Death of the V8 & birth of a.... Inline 6?
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WoodGuy
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Indeed. It's why I have the 3500 with V8 myself
soapy
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I have a 2022 PW and a 2019 Hemi ram 1500. I recently added a 2022 GMC with its in line 4 turbo 2.7. So far I really like this motor especially living at 5600 ft elevation. It is as quick as my Hemi and with marginally better fuel economy. 2 to 3 MPG better is all. I am looking forward to trying the new I6 turbo in my next Ram 1500.
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All I can say is we shall see, Turbo's have no longevity, and there is no replacement for displacement, I can't change!!!
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So, all of this could lead to the argument that a naturally aspirated V8 is going to be more adept for working a truck like a truck and a lesser engine with turbo will not. I don't have anything saying this isn't true, and certainly would want to see at least a decade of service for lesser engines before I would buy one.
Talk naturally turns to electric trucks, but I don't see them as replacing ICE trucks due to many factors; among them the possibility that the weight of a electric truck comparable to my 2500 could be 1/3 heavier (using Tesla Model 3 and Toyota Corolla comparison for reference). Unless the 11,000 max GVWR for 2500s is raised, I would be pushed into a 3500 and there would be little reason for a 2500 to exist.
So, how about a hydrogen fuel cell truck with electric motors. Comparable weights to current ICE vehicles, lots of torque, quick refueling, and once the low-energy production is scaled up it could be more carbon neutral than current electric production. Volvo and Daimler are putting their efforts into this. Maybe Ram should look to partner again with Daimler.
Thoughts?
Talk naturally turns to electric trucks, but I don't see them as replacing ICE trucks due to many factors; among them the possibility that the weight of a electric truck comparable to my 2500 could be 1/3 heavier (using Tesla Model 3 and Toyota Corolla comparison for reference). Unless the 11,000 max GVWR for 2500s is raised, I would be pushed into a 3500 and there would be little reason for a 2500 to exist.
So, how about a hydrogen fuel cell truck with electric motors. Comparable weights to current ICE vehicles, lots of torque, quick refueling, and once the low-energy production is scaled up it could be more carbon neutral than current electric production. Volvo and Daimler are putting their efforts into this. Maybe Ram should look to partner again with Daimler.
Thoughts?
JCE
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I like hydrogen and would love to see more R&D there. As for EV " trucks", never gonna happen, especially 3/4 and 1 tons. Just look at the range loss the current half ton or specialty (Rivian) have when they tow. The F150 lightning is the worst and by a long way.
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I think there's too many extremists and not enough engineers. Also too many people on the planet are driving a lot of this. We in North America are isolated from the rest of the world, and when large nations industrialized, the environment's been going down the $hitter. We're remembering back when lots of the world's population lived in thatched huts.
I'm not a conspiracy nut, being an engineer. We need to keep working toward solutions instead of anarchy.
I'm not a conspiracy nut, being an engineer. We need to keep working toward solutions instead of anarchy.
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Yeah, I don't see EVs working for 2500 and up, just too heavy with all the required batteries and the charging time would be untenable.
But use the hydrogen fuel cells to power an electric motor at each wheel, and we will be watching 3500s do the quarter mile at the drag strip in 9 seconds. But seriously, towing would be a breeze and refueling time is comparable to a gas/diesel vehicle.
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JCE
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100% my thoughts.
Mittens
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Mazda is supposed to be coming out with an inline 6. Next year's CX-90 has a pic on the teaser page witha badge that says "inline 6" so I guess it's not just a rumor. Probably a completely different engine, but it's similar timing. Wonder if they shared some R&D.
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ok here is my 2 cents worth, lol!!
let us not forget that 90% of the 18 wheelers if not more all run I6s. yes they are diesel but they also have much bigger cylinders.
I hate it too. i love the V8 and for the record the v8 is NOT dying. they are just stopping production of brand new HEMIs. they will still have plenty that has not been used yet along with parts for which.
I too am on the fence about this change and look foward to what stelantis ultimately does with it.
let us not forget that 90% of the 18 wheelers if not more all run I6s. yes they are diesel but they also have much bigger cylinders.
I hate it too. i love the V8 and for the record the v8 is NOT dying. they are just stopping production of brand new HEMIs. they will still have plenty that has not been used yet along with parts for which.
I too am on the fence about this change and look foward to what stelantis ultimately does with it.
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twin turbos, yes?
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Of course, more to break down signed antiturbo nut!!!
TestPilot57
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I was not a turbo fan until I drove a Porsche with variable vane turbo. It has the response of a very small turbo and the power of a much larger one.
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I was not a turbo fan until I drove a Porsche with variable vane turbo. It has the response of a very small turbo and the power of a much larger one.
The Perfect Turbocharger? Porsche Did It First
The Porsche 911 Turbo was the first gas car to use variable geometry turbos!Subscribe to Engineering Explained for more videos! - https://goo.gl/VZstk7Recomm...
$$$$$$$$$$$ + complexity + software
TestPilot57
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Everything costs money. What do you want? Go back to the 1920s? Someone could probably make a Model T today for less than $5 grand (takes away the $$$$$$). Is that the level of complexity that you want? No software involved either!
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