Does payload matter?

JerryETX said:

Not sure how you can hold a dealer accountable on sales day for what the buyer may or may not haul in the future. I do think RV dealers need to have ALL sales staff educated to what a tow vehicle can realistically haul. But that won't happen until there's a way to hold RV dealers liable for accidents due to their misleading and often absolutely false information.

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BossHogg said:

My intention wasn't to imply any dealership or salesperson should be held accountable. But someone at the dealership should be there that can answer basic questions, and explain the terms like GVW, CGVW, curb weight, and on and on. It would be a good idea if the manufacturer would publish a towing guide that explains all of this albeit it is in part already in the owner's manual. Well, going by questions I see asked in these forums, few read an owner's manual.

Many people buy a truck first and then start thinking about camping so out they go. Of course, the RV salespeople see the incoming family as a walking bag of money and all they want is that money so they will sell them anything.

I had to sit back and laugh at some of the recent posts in this thread, posters have already expanded the terms of payload, and introducing margins or error or suggesting published numbers are somewhat understating actual ratings. They may be but I've never heard a manufacturer state that. Why is it so hard for people to simply accept the manufacturer's published specifications?

I don't really think there is a solution, those of us that realize will do the research and size our camper and tow vehicle and those that don't know or realize there is something they should know will remain the same.

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BossHogg said:

I think the only real solution is for dealerships, both truck, and RV, to have at least one person on staff to evaluate what people are going to buy and what they are going to tow it with. Manufacturers can publish all the numbers till the cows come home but people won't read the information or, as in this case, misinterpret the data. Internet forums will continue to debate the published ratings to the point it becomes useless (search payload threads in this forum).

I recall when my wife and I were shopping for a fifth-wheel RV, the salesman asked what we have to tow with, I said a one-ton, and he said wow, you can tow anything I got on the lot. Well, that wasn't true, my 3500 wasn't going to tow a tri-axel toy hauler or a half dozen other RVs they had.

The next time a payload thread comes along, sit back and watch the comments, simply amazing, some of the replies are just amazing.

This guy with the folded 3500, I have to wonder what was inside the slide-in and how much weight was in the rear of the camper. I don't understand how he could steer the truck, it looks as if he had little weight on the steer axle. Another thought is the payload, we typically think of payload as downward weight, but in this case, how does fulcrum leverage play into the payload ratings?

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Zoe Saldana said:

Technically over.

You said your pin weight was 5,200lbs which is your payload.

But you need to subtract the weight of passengers and all the stuff you added to the truck e.g. 30k MoparPuck Fiver Hitch w/ Black Line X Tube Steps & Below Rail Lund Toolbox and a Bak flip mx4 Cover ... and everything else.

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Billet Bee said:

Im right on the money with all factors considered, 2 people, 30k hitch, full Fuel, tonnue cover and aluminum storage box and 2 Chihuahuas. I look at every variable that's been added over the stickered factory weight and all extra on the truck is taken from payload. My pin on rv is around 4700 so your correct when i misspoke and said my pin is the entire pl rating and I hope this clears things up for anyone concerned about me.

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392DevilDog said:

I am not concerned about it at all...but I would sure love to see a CAT scale ticket if you got one.

With the 5th wheel hitch and you in the drivers seat I would be interested to know how close to rear axle it took it.

Would really be interested in a loaded to camp one.

And if you got the original specs of the camper

I kinda geek out on this towing, GVWR, GCWR and GAWR stuff

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392DevilDog said:

I am not concerned about it at all...but I would sure love to see a CAT scale ticket if you got one.

With the 5th wheel hitch and you in the drivers seat I would be interested to know how close to rear axle it took it.

Would really be interested in a loaded to camp one.

And if you got the original specs of the camper

I kinda geek out on this towing, GVWR, GCWR and GAWR stuff

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392DevilDog said:

I am not concerned about it at all...but I would sure love to see a CAT scale ticket if you got one.

With the 5th wheel hitch and you in the drivers seat I would be interested to know how close to rear axle it took it.

Would really be interested in a loaded to camp one.

And if you got the original specs of the camper

I kinda geek out on this towing, GVWR, GCWR and GAWR stuff

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GTyankee said:

The owner speaks up

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Broken Ram 3500 Dually Shows a Camper Can Still Overload a Big Truck

This Ram 3500 is awaiting a $17,000 repair job after an enormous slide-in camper snapped its frame.

www.thedrive.com

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GTyankee said:

The owner speaks up

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Broken Ram 3500 Dually Shows a Camper Can Still Overload a Big Truck

This Ram 3500 is awaiting a $17,000 repair job after an enormous slide-in camper snapped its frame.

www.thedrive.com

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Billet Bee said:

This cracks me up, he still doesn't get it. I hear this all to often when they say well it's a duelly so it can haul anything. Then make a half *** effort to research trucks and just see the biggest numbers and tell themselves that's what mine is capable of. First thing he says is my pl rating is 7800lbs And I've got a diesel engine so it can handle it. Most of us know there's is no such thing for a 3500 diesel to have a pl rating that high, his set up is a prime candidate for the lighter hemi due to the increased pl which is what most truck camper folks get. Then he makes no acknowledgement that 7800lb pl rating is for a regular cab long bed when he has a mega cab short bed, I guess he just wants to believe what he read was fact and matches his truck to a T, he's living with blinders on and it doesn't surprise me one bit that he's been denied his repair claim but i still feel bad for his situation but this is definitely a case of not comprehending what your reading

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KKBB said:

I'm just curious. Do any of you here that are saying he should have had the regular cab 2WD hemi version to have the payload to handle this think that would solve the problem?? I have a tough time believing that would solve the issue.

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KKBB said:

I'm just curious. Do any of you here that are saying he should have had the regular cab 2WD hemi version to have the payload to handle this think that would solve the problem?? I have a tough time believing that would solve the issue.

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