Synthetic Oil

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Those are ANs that HPL uses

Yup - that's why I posted it. I read about them. AN is a new & improved Polyol Ester (POE). Awesome molecule, it's resistance to oxidation (burning) is also why it's used as an octane booster for gasoline. The cyclic benzene groups are what do this.
 

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Yup - that's why I posted it. I read about them. AN is a new & improved Polyol Ester (POE). Awesome molecule, it's resistance to oxidation (burning) is also why it's used as an octane booster for gasoline. The cyclic benzene groups are what do this.
I believe they have better additive solvency than POE and they dont compete with the add pack. However they are not as good in high temps so they wont be found in jet engine oils. And they are poor for cold flow.
 

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Just did a oil change with this. 12 qt case was $16.17 per qt delivered with the forum discount. Thank you to whoever set that up! My normal OCI is 6k miles so late summer/early fall I’ll send a sample to blackstone for analysis. View attachment 510957

Thank @Travis8352

And thanks for the field report!
 

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We can all thank Mr David Ward, owner of High Performance Lubricants!

Keep us posted on how you like it, im about 700 miles in so far and my first impressions is cold starts are unreal with this vs mobil 1 FS 0w40
Do you have the 6.4, or the 5.7 hemi?
 

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What’s going on here? l was away for a week and it sounds like Red Line is no longer the best (or most expensive) oil for the hemi?? Over $16/qt for HPL? That $4 more per qt than Red Line. Must be some good stuff. Can someone please summarize? Yikes!!
 
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The concern was over the 0W-30 recipe and price.

This applies to those in the northern half of North America.

Red Line changed their 0W-30 from an API SN race recipe to an API SP mass market recipe for eliminating LSPI in small engines and lowering viscosity within the SAE grade for minuscule fuel economy improvement. These changes are both harmful to Hemi engines, therefore search is on for suitable replacement. PUP made the same adverse changes, btw.

HPL published specs for their Super Car 0W-30 remain targeted to old Red Line API SN specs.
My theory is Red Line wants more mass market sales after Phillips 66 bought them from being a racing supplier exclusively. Hemi needs a race oil to bandaid the inadequate lubrication design to the lifters and cam.
 

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The concern was over the 0W-30 recipe and price.

This applies to those in the northern half of North America.

Red Line changed their 0W-30 from an API SN race recipe to an API SP mass market recipe for eliminating LSPI in small engines and lowering viscosity within the SAE grade for minuscule fuel economy improvement. These changes are both harmful to Hemi engines, therefore search is on for suitable replacement. PUP made the same adverse changes, btw.

HPL published specs for their Super Car 0W-30 remain targeted to old Red Line API SN specs.
My theory is Red Line wants more mass market sales after Phillips 66 bought them from being a racing supplier exclusively. Hemi needs a race oil to bandaid the inadequate lubrication design to the lifters and cam.
Wow, thanks for that great response/explanation. So then as far as you know, the Red Line 5w20 and 5w30 are still great oils for the hemi .... hopefully? Thanks again.
John
 

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67k, 5.7 Hemi and I have use Super Tech Synthetic and a Fram Synthetic oil filter for all but 4 oil changes. And I'll keep using it.
 

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Wow, thanks for that great response/explanation. So then as far as you know, the Red Line 5w20 and 5w30 are still great oils for the hemi .... hopefully? Thanks again.
John

Depends on your application profile. Do you life in hot areas? Cold areas? Do you tow heavy loads? Do you tow a lot or a little?

Example - I live in far northern U.S. I tow moderate loads (7,000 pounds) a number of times a year in the summer. Where I live, outside temp goes from -20F to +100F routinely, annually. And I just towed this weekend (snowmobiles) which are only 600 lbs each, but temperature ranges from 0F to +25F.

I run 5W-30 in summer. If I lived in hot area year round, and / or I towed heavy loads, I would run 5W-40. In winter I run 0W-30. Red Line, to date (I have inventory).

One size does not fit all, hence this Forum of knowledgeable industry folk to assist. There are quite a few people here with more experience than the factory people of today.
 

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Control system, royal purple, or valvoline synpower? Which would you or do you use? Also is the oil change message triggered by a specific mileage engine hour or what?

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A number of inputs into a computer triggers your oil change prompt. sppeds, idle time, hard usage, towing outside temps, etc. There are many
 

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I have had the unfortunate result of piston slap with Redline 5w20 now that temps are 40 and below. Went to a PUP 5w20, 0w20 blend and slap is gone, warm idle is definitely not as quiet, but most important no warm tick for now.

If looking at HPL should I most likely chose 0w20 for winter and 0w30 in summer?
 

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Depends on your application profile. Do you life in hot areas? Cold areas? Do you tow heavy loads? Do you tow a lot or a little?

Example - I live in far northern U.S. I tow moderate loads (7,000 pounds) a number of times a year in the summer. Where I live, outside temp goes from -20F to +100F routinely, annually. And I just towed this weekend (snowmobiles) which are only 600 lbs each, but temperature ranges from 0F to +25F.

I run 5W-30 in summer. If I lived in hot area year round, and / or I towed heavy loads, I would run 5W-40. In winter I run 0W-30. Red Line, to date (I have inventory).

One size does not fit all, hence this Forum of knowledgeable industry folk to assist. There are quite a few people here with more experience than the factory people of today.
I do no towing whatsoever. I live in summer year round (snowbird). I change my oil/filter (with my hands) evey 3k miles or 6 months, whichever comes first (never gone more than 3k miles). My strategy is simply to do everything possible (other than not driving the vehicle :)), to prevent the dreaded hemi-tick -- incuding no idling, best filter (Fram XG2), best oil, etc. I'm just looking for confirmation that Red Line is still viewed as the best oil for the hemi (I base "best" on an aggregation of the 3,000+ posts that I've read here and other sites), so if there IS suddenly something better - I'm always listening and wanting to know!!
I'm also (unfortunately) a believer that the Chrysler Engineers do NOT by themselves, call the shots with regards to oil recommendations - there are some other forces at work here .... just based on my 30 yrs experience as an Engineer in a LARGE US Healthcare Company -- all decisions are not based on longevity of the product. (I could be wrong, but I think I'm err'ing on the safe side)
I know ... perhaps a bit excessive - some would even say wasteful, but hey there's lots of worse things to burn $$$ on.
I really appreciate conversing with folks on the Ram Forum site!
Thanks!
John
 
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On Paper HPL "looks" "better". So it is simply a theory, hopefully someone will take charge and develop a coalition of hemi tick rams and test it the same way we did with redline and biotech. Just like when we developed a biotech strategy it was based in science, same as redline, and hopefully same as HPL. The science says HPL should be a winner, but until ram forum has similar success results as a % of rams who are tickless as with redline, then it is just theory. There is some evidence the ester they use is different the redline, some say better? But exactly why they say better I have no information on. Better at cushioning hemi tick? Does any science back the ester used in HPL would survive the heat and pressure better then poe?

It certainly is exciting to have a great oil as an option, and if indeed it kills hemi tick at the same clip as redline I will be the first to say it is better because I much rather have higher moly and lower zinc like the HPL formula has. It is very early to tell what we have here, but promising for sure.
 
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