Death of the V8 & birth of a.... Inline 6?

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Everything costs money. What do you want? Go back to the 1920s? Someone could probably make a Model T today for less than $5 grand (takes away the $$$$$$). Is that the level of complexity that you want? No software involved either!

Oh, maybe something silly, like inbetween the 2 extremes YOU listed?

What is with this site today, with all the personal inflammatory rhetoric?
 

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Oh, maybe something silly, like inbetween the 2 extremes YOU listed?

What is with this site today, with all the personal inflammatory rhetoric?
It wasn't meant to be inflammatory. If I could buy a new Model T tomorrow for $5k I'd do it. Wouldn't drive it every day but it would be in my repertoire!
 

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Everything costs money. What do you want? Go back to the 1920s? Someone could probably make a Model T today for less than $5 grand (takes away the $$$$$$). Is that the level of complexity that you want? No software involved either!

Nostalgia runs strong on truck forums but the number of people who act on it are approaching zero. Same as people who complain about regular cabs going away but don't buy a new one when it's offered, anyone can buy an old square body and restore/have it restored to near new condition cheaper than a "complex" truck but they don't. They don't actually *want* a simple truck, they want to pretend to want one while enjoying the stoopid level of horsepower, creature comfort, fuel economy, and capability those dumb 'ol complicated trucks offer.

I drove a 1975 3/4 ton from 2010-2012. Barely more complicated than dirt, but not a patch on my Power Wagon in any metric other than "remember when" and $ factor.
 

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Wonder what the “forums” said about the model t and how horses were better? Bet there are articles from then that would be fun to read.

I think the main issue with the new-fangled things is how EVERYTHING is bundled into one, fragile computer. I had the current generation accord. A leaky tail light put it in limp mode. Cruise control controlling the brakes is asking for problems too.
 
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Inline 6s seem to last, look at the Chevy 235, they are still driving on the road today
The old Hudson Twin H, 308 cu. in. engines never died, but the body was heavier than some military tanks, & each cylinder was the size of a gallon coffee can.
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I-6 Cummins diesel. That's IT! GOT NO USE FOR A LITTLE TOY MOTOR. My truck will either be V8 or Cummins diesel. Period
 

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nevernind, delete
 
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It's funny how many diehard 5.7 and 6.4 fans there suddenly are considering there are about a thousand threads on here of people complaining about how terrible the MDS is,plus the premature valve/cam failure, busted manifold bolts, ridiculous oil filter placement, crappy milage, constantly being out powered by Ford and the need for a total refresh of an aging design, etc...
It's as bad as the Harley forums...

HD Owners-"We want more speed!"
HD-" Well, take a look at our new liquid cooled..."
HD Owners-"Liquid cooling!!?? NEVER! Over my dead body! We want faster, cooler running bikes that are air cooled, heavy, and looked like they were designed 50 years ago!"
HD-"...."

I think the Hurricane I-6 is a serious attempt to keep us out of EVs and hope they are serious contenders in the market...
 

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It's funny how many diehard 5.7 and 6.4 fans there suddenly are considering there are about a thousand threads on here of people complaining about how terrible the MDS is,plus the premature valve/cam failure, busted manifold bolts, ridiculous oil filter placement, crappy milage, constantly being out powered by Ford and the need for a total refresh of an aging design, etc...
It's as bad as the Harley forums...

HD Owners-"We want more speed!"
HD-" Well, take a look at our new liquid cooled..."
HD Owners-"Liquid cooling!!?? NEVER! Over my dead body! We want faster, cooler running bikes that are air cooled, heavy, and looked like they were designed 50 years ago!"
HD-"...."

I think the Hurricane I-6 is a serious attempt to keep us out of EVs and hope they are serious contenders in the market...
there must be a lot of overlap between Porsche and Harley owners. 25 years since Porsche went water cooled and we see how that worked out. My 25 HP garden tractor is water cooled and computer controlled even. Push mower isn’t, but man it’s a lot of work!
 

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It's funny how many diehard 5.7 and 6.4 fans there suddenly are considering there are about a thousand threads on here of people complaining about how terrible the MDS is,plus the premature valve/cam failure, busted manifold bolts, ridiculous oil filter placement, crappy milage, constantly being out powered by Ford and the need for a total refresh of an aging design, etc...
It's as bad as the Harley forums...

HD Owners-"We want more speed!"
HD-" Well, take a look at our new liquid cooled..."
HD Owners-"Liquid cooling!!?? NEVER! Over my dead body! We want faster, cooler running bikes that are air cooled, heavy, and looked like they were designed 50 years ago!"
HD-"...."

I think the Hurricane I-6 is a serious attempt to keep us out of EVs and hope they are serious contenders in the market...

I think the preference for the majority here is quite obvious;
1) give us an updated hemi with more power, less lifter tick
2) give us any gas engine
3) elec (nope, can't even finish writing it)

Option 1, isn't going to happen unless we get major course reversal in the whitehouse and/or states start to recognize that we really do need gas engines for a long time yet.

So for me, I'd prefer a better hemi but I'll take any gas engine if that means I can tow more than 50 feet in one sitting.
 

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I'd like more transparency and honesty from mfgs. Toyota's new twin turbo in the Tundra came out of the gate with a crippling turbo issue. It was waste gate related, but no official description of the problem was ever released. The number of affected vehicles was between 15 and all of them depending on the source. It'd be nice if the computers weren't a black box of mystery too. I really don't think I should have a problem with vehicles being so computerized... my laptops work fine. It's just the secrecy that seems to shroud everything.

Also eliminate the whole dealership model. I think mfgs being able to hide behind them causes allot of mistrust.
 

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Jeep's 4.0
Ford's 300

Not major powerhouses, but boat anchor reliable.
THEY were definitely rolling Boat anchors. I had a Ford Truck with a 4 speed and the 300 years ago. Not go anywhere fast, but reliable as all get out, and if you like a manual, was fun to drive. 25 Second 1/4 mile time, lmao.
 

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I'd like more transparency and honesty from mfgs. Toyota's new twin turbo in the Tundra came out of the gate with a crippling turbo issue. It was waste gate related, but no official description of the problem was ever released. The number of affected vehicles was between 15 and all of them depending on the source. It'd be nice if the computers weren't a black box of mystery too. I really don't think I should have a problem with vehicles being so computerized... my laptops work fine. It's just the secrecy that seems to shroud everything.

Also eliminate the whole dealership model. I think mfgs being able to hide behind them causes allot of mistrust.
There were people around here, bought them Nice and Purty high end 1794 Toyota's and the right side Turbo's were taking a dump at 300 miles, OMG, wat a nightmare that must be.
 

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It's funny how many diehard 5.7 and 6.4 fans there suddenly are considering there are about a thousand threads on here of people complaining about how terrible the MDS is,plus the premature valve/cam failure, busted manifold bolts, ridiculous oil filter placement, crappy milage, constantly being out powered by Ford and the need for a total refresh of an aging design, etc...
It's as bad as the Harley forums...

HD Owners-"We want more speed!"
HD-" Well, take a look at our new liquid cooled..."
HD Owners-"Liquid cooling!!?? NEVER! Over my dead body! We want faster, cooler running bikes that are air cooled, heavy, and looked like they were designed 50 years ago!"
HD-"...."

I think the Hurricane I-6 is a serious attempt to keep us out of EVs and hope they are serious contenders in the market...
I neva had a HD with the "new" cooled exhaust heads, so no idea how well they hold up and the advantages, my last HD was an '08 Ultra Classic with a 96 Motor. I do now have an '06 Honda Wing (triked) with the 1832 motor, water cooled of course. But even water cooled, when over 100 here, it is still hot, LMAO. We could all
go back to Freddy Flintstone days and say, look an earlier EV model LMAO.





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All the people complaining about fuel mileage of a Hemi, reliability, etc. Guess THEY could go buy a Prius, go on the RAM Mopar site or on Amazon and buy a bunch of "RAM" badges and glue them on the Prius, LMAO. My INANE sense of humor.
 

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It's funny how many diehard 5.7 and 6.4 fans there suddenly are considering there are about a thousand threads on here of people complaining about how terrible the MDS is,plus the premature valve/cam failure, busted manifold bolts, ridiculous oil filter placement, crappy milage, constantly being out powered by Ford and the need for a total refresh of an aging design, etc...
There's nothing wrong with complaining about the flaws in something you love. It doesn't mean they want to replace it with something different, just that they'd like to improve what they've already got. For me, an inline 6 will never replace a V8 for so many reasons. Doesn't mean I wouldn't buy something with the inline 6. It just means that, like with a muscle car, I'd prefer a truck to have a V8. The Hemi is a tried and true engine, and there are tons of them on the road with hundreds of thousands of miles.
 

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Revolution is an ungainly marketing trick to try and keep relevant.
G'ment mandates are a manufacturer's nightmare...but they got to do something.
The Hurricane looks like they are at least trying to build a better mousetrap.
Frankly I'm happy my 2021 6.4L PW is paid off and sitting in my garage as it may well be the last truck I ever own...
 
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There's nothing wrong with complaining about the flaws in something you love. It doesn't mean they want to replace it with something different, just that they'd like to improve what they've already got. For me, an inline 6 will never replace a V8 for so many reasons. Doesn't mean I wouldn't buy something with the inline 6. It just means that, like with a muscle car, I'd prefer a truck to have a V8. The Hemi is a tried and true engine, and there are tons of them on the road with hundreds of thousands of miles.
Frankly, I agree with you.
Plus the sound of a well tuned V8 is music to my soul...
As someone who spends hundreds of $$$ on custom exhaust for my PW ( even more on my Harleys) I can certainly relate...
I still feel the I-6 would be a great engine for most people's uses, but I hope the Hemi isn't going anywhere soon...
 
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