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Well because you're comparing two different things. If you've made the decision you want a new truck for reliablity reasons etc and you're going to pull a 9000 pound trailer; the choice is between a 2022 $50,000 gas and a 2022 $60,000 cummins. Both trucks should be equally reliable, have the same towing/electronic tech, look the same, in the same condition etc, except one costs 10,000 extra and tows easier but both can tow it without issue.

I get both sides of the argument, but I'm firmly in the "diesel is a luxury feature" camp. If I bought diesel, it wouldn't be to save money but simply because I like the performance and I'm willing to pay for it.
While I basically agree, for those of us the live in and/or pull through mountain terrain a lot, the diesel can be more than just a luxury item. I did the 3/4ton gasser route for a while after moving to the Ozarks, but it was hard on the truck. High revving would lead to hard shifting, and I could not come close to keeping up to the speed limit on the big climbs. That was an "issue" for me. Here's a GPS altitude snip of a 40 mile stretch I pull through fairly often. With the Cummins? Set the cruise and enjoy. I may save a little bit on fuel costs while towing, depending on where fuel prices are on any given day, but that was not a driver for me.

But I get the gasser thing. Worked great when I lived in flatter terrain. And I don't think I'd want one as a daily driver. The notion that the price paid for it is somehow lost is the only thing I have a problem with.
 

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Okay? But now answer the question. If making that 8% is so important, shouldn't a person be in the well used market instead of buying new?

No! Why are you going there?

I don't see the connection.
 

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Seriously, I change my oil AND filter - it take 20 minutes.

Oil goes directly into oil container, filter off, filter on, oil in. If it was low slung car I could see it being a hassle.

Some of us cannot do that kind stuff, anymore.
Not without Opioids.

Then we pay for **** that stuff, with Days of Utter Misery,
then having to drop the Rock of Gibraltar, created by the Dope,
hoping it don't break the porcelain, when it actually Drops.

I used to enjoy working on cars, fixing houses, all that stuff.
Nowadays, I mostly Sit, Point & Explain or, best yet,
pay someone else to do it.



Neighbor came over, just yesterday, had to mess with Black Gas Pipe.
Was nervous about it but didn't want to wait a week, for a Professional to get out to do it.
It's cold here.

Pointed to all the tools and supplies, he loaded up my portable tool box,
got in his basement, had a chair waiting for me and the job only took, a couple of hours.

Most of that was explaining & watching him, triple check everything, making sure it was done right.
I knew it was, saw him do it, but wanted him to get confident about it.

I told him, he did a great job but if he ever does it again, come fetch me.
 

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Get yourself some offspring to come over and fix it. Works for me much of the time now days.
 

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I have 2 bulging disks in my lower back, shoulder impingement and bursitis. Not worth the money for me to change my own oil anymore. By the time I get the tools out, get the job done, clean the tools up, wash up then drive to dispose of the old oil? I'll pay someone else to do it. But I get it. When I was younger and in better shape I said the same thing...waste of money to pay someone to do it. That changed as I got older
 

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No! Why are you going there?

I don't see the connection.
Really? You suggest that it makes more sense to invest the $10K the diesel option would cost, and you don't understand why I'm asking why then it would not also make sense to not spend all/most of a new/newer trucks price and buy an old beater instead? Seems connected to me.
 

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Really? You suggest that it makes more sense to invest the $10K the diesel option would cost, and you don't understand why I'm asking why then it would not also make sense to not spend all/most of a new/newer trucks price and buy an old beater instead? Seems connected to me.

Dude, I was explaining how the 10K is not inclusive of all factors.
 

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Dude, I was explaining how the 10K is not inclusive of all factors.
I know that. And also your math was wrong, saying you'd have $20K after 10 years. You didn't count the $9K or so you'd still have in trade in value from the Cummins option.

But just think if you'd bought a 20 year old Ram with 200K on it and put all that newer truck money into investments how much more money you'd have!

I'm not running down the idea of not buying what you don't want or need. Or investing for the future. But it's not up to you or anyone else how I or anyone else spends their money.
 

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Oh, to by the $1.3 billion Lotto Winner yesterday - could be all the Rams you wanted.
 

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I know that. And also your math was wrong, saying you'd have $20K after 10 years. You didn't count the $9K or so you'd still have in trade in value from the Cummins option.

But just think if you'd bought a 20 year old Ram with 200K on it and put all that newer truck money into investments how much more money you'd have!

I'm not running down the idea of not buying what you don't want or need. Or investing for the future. But it's not up to you or anyone else how I or anyone else spends their money.

You're right, you win, you are never wrong.
 
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