500 mile range?

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Just saw a news article on the upcoming RAM EV truck announcement. That article stated the RAM EV truck was expected to have up to a 500 mile range. Add to that the range extender option, and this truck might answer 99.9% of all the questions naysayers have one EV trucks. Original article

500 miles is a norm for gas powered trucks these days. And since even with gas or diesel, you only get about 50% of miles normally while towing this makes the EV idea work for trucks in my opinion. Alex on Autos channel on YouTube proved that no matter the powertrain, all trucks get around 50%, give or take, of normal miles with a large load behind them. Here's the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7hy5DSLR-U

Of course out of my current 2020 Ram 1500, with a 36 gallon tank, I have a optimistic best mile range of around 700 miles. Some Diesel RAMs were pushing 1000 miles range. But meeting the basic norm with EV seems to me to be a major step forward. Once battery tech improves, I bet we see 1000 mile ranges on trucks in the near to moderate future.
 

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It really isn't the range, as you said even ICE vehicles get reduced range. It is the limited charging infrastructure and the time to get to a full charge. I used to regularly drive from Upstate NY to Chicago and back towing trailers. I could make the trip in about 12 hours straight with one 15 minute stop in Ohio. I wouldn't be doing that if I had to wait 1.5 hours for a full charge assuming range allows for a 1 stop trip and requires 100% battery for both legs.

I know I can drive my ICE truck and stop anywhere for gas. Having anxiety that I might not find a charger, and one working, and a rapid charger, and one not blocked, and one that supports my vehicle is the issue.

I currently always actively look for chargers as I travel and I have first-hand knowledge that a EV will not work for me at the present time and doubt it will be my next truck either. I might consider the electric Ram with the APU as a second vehicle to run errands but wouldn't travel further than a little less than 1/2 my range.

I'll say it again, I still think Hydrogen is our future, just wish I felt better about how that technology is progressing right now.
 

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Thinking about EVs as I hear family talk about them. I keep hearing that the justification for not worrying about range is the average daily travel is 30 to 60 miles , depending on who is speaking. So then, why are vehicles engineered to go from 0 to 60 in a second and up to 400 miles in a charge? Adding more batteries just makes the weight get excessive and results in increased wear and tear in vehicle components as well as the roads, bridges, etc. How about keeping EVs to simple specs like one motor, limited batteries? Design them for the average use, and lower costs and societal impact. This would lead to greater adoption, eliminate the need for incentives (please stop giving money to someone who buys a $100k car), and take more CO2 out of the atmosphere.
 
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Tron67j, Very good points.

There are plug in hybrids now that have around 40 miles EV range, and then ICE to extend. I'm not a fan, but do think that answers the range question you asked. Maybe we should see more? Stelantis' hybrid Jeep kinda fits that idea. RAM Revolution is supposed to have a range extender option, though they haven't said what it will be yet. Also, newer batteries should be lighter. Some have shown to be lighter, with more power, and much faster charging etc. source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAfGozXBou0

Also, the new incentives have an upper limit to vehicle cost. So the government seems to be listening a little bit on that front.

Also, Hydrogen will go away soon. Nobody wants to drive the Hindenburg. And, other things will improve faster.
 
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Just saw a news article on the upcoming RAM EV truck announcement. That article stated the RAM EV truck was expected to have up to a 500 mile range. Add to that the range extender option, and this truck might answer 99.9% of all the questions naysayers have one EV trucks. Original article

500 miles is a norm for gas powered trucks these days. And since even with gas or diesel, you only get about 50% of miles normally while towing this makes the EV idea work for trucks in my opinion. Alex on Autos channel on YouTube proved that no matter the powertrain, all trucks get around 50%, give or take, of normal miles with a large load behind them. Here's the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7hy5DSLR-U

Of course out of my current 2020 Ram 1500, with a 36 gallon tank, I have a optimistic best mile range of around 700 miles. Some Diesel RAMs were pushing 1000 miles range. But meeting the basic norm with EV seems to me to be a major step forward. Once battery tech improves, I bet we see 1000 mile ranges on trucks in the near to moderate future.
JUST go to Home Depot, or wherever and buy you a big generator and weld into the bed of the truck so U can charge on the fly. makes sense to me, oh, wait? Wat gonna run the genny? Some type of fuel and there goes the Carbon footprint again (sic). All tongue in cheek.
 

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Several requirements have to be met in order for me to even begin to consider an EV. First, safety - I don't want a vehicle or a charger that has a very good possibility of exploding or bursting into flames. Second, convenience of recharging (refueling) - Until charging stations are as ubiquitous as gas stations, and you can go from 10% to 100% charge in less than 10 minutes, I will stick with my ICE engines. Third, replacement battery availability and cost - I don't want a vehicle that needs a $20,000 battery every 4-5 years. I don't have to replace my ICE engine or fuel system every 5 years.

EVs have a very long way to go. The technology is NOT to the point that there should be large scale adoption. If anyone wants the complete lowdown on why eliminating fossil fuels is not a good idea, please take the time to read the book "Unsettled" by Stephen Koonin, a PhD. researcher who was a member of the Obama administration and advisor on climate change. He is a scientist first, and puts science above politics. Very eye-opening.
 

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I received an email from FCA this morning stating that if I pay a $100 fee, I will be a REV insider. Which would enable me to have latest updates on the future EV, and the opportunity to pre-order my REV etruck. So now in order to get one I have to buy a insider club membership?

Hard pass!
 

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The "Range"or rating any vehicle is said to have be it gas mileage or mileage to charge is all BS. Look at all the threads everyone is complaining about "the window sticker said it should get this many mpg but i dont come close to it". Those advertised numbers are under the most perfect of conditions that you will NEVER see in real world usage of any vehicle. EV's do have their uses but to be inevitably forced to eliminate the ice is juat impossible. The "go green" BS has nothing to do with the environment but everything to do with control. You control the food you control the people
You control the energy you control the country
 

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All I can say is just keep telling yourself that THEY DON"T POLUTE. and someday you will convince yourself. After all they have no tail pipe to test, and battery's that WILL make it to landfills, will not come back to haunt, nor will the toxins caused in their manufacture be a problem as there is no tail pipe! After all the government idiots say so. If ANYTHING expends energy, it MUST BE FUELED!!!! Anything that is FUELED has waste- POLUTION!!!! Your home has a tailpipe, it is just underground so that it cannot be measured. It just to be called an "outhouse" it was above ground, and it could be detected simply by walking to/or by it. Hide the tailpipe and it cannot pollute, again because someone on a computer said so!!! And everything on a computer is accurate, especially when they print only what they want you to read. Buy what you want not what the "salesman" is telling you to buy. Remember who the salesman in this case is (Dementia Joe).
 

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I saw the REV release info..pretty cool truck but way too car-like for me what with all the tech and glass roof and gotta be very pricey. I will not be buying any battery vehicles during the rest of my time but am seriously shopping for a 2500 gas powered Ram. just wont be bent over so have not come across a deal or truck I would pull the trigger on yet. around here the dealers are loaded up with dsl 2500's but few gassers in the laramie trim level.
 

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I received an email from FCA this morning stating that if I pay a $100 fee, I will be a REV insider. Which would enable me to have latest updates on the future EV, and the opportunity to pre-order my REV etruck. So now in order to get one I have to buy a insider club membership?

Hard pass!
SOUNDS like a SCAM email to me. lol...
 
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All I can say is just keep telling yourself that THEY DON"T POLUTE. and someday you will convince yourself. After all they have no tail pipe to test, and battery's that WILL make it to landfills, will not come back to haunt, nor will the toxins caused in their manufacture be a problem as there is no tail pipe! After all the government idiots say so. If ANYTHING expends energy, it MUST BE FUELED!!!! Anything that is FUELED has waste- POLUTION!!!! Your home has a tailpipe, it is just underground so that it cannot be measured. It just to be called an "outhouse" it was above ground, and it could be detected simply by walking to/or by it. Hide the tailpipe and it cannot pollute, again because someone on a computer said so!!! And everything on a computer is accurate, especially when they print only what they want you to read. Buy what you want not what the "salesman" is telling you to buy. Remember who the salesman in this case is (Dementia Joe).
Vastly incorrect on many fronts. I find it funny you apply what appears to be anger to your statements too. Why?

Batteries are a concern, for now, but that is in the pipeline to be fixed soon. Even so, a dead battery in its current form is FAR less polluting than ICE. (see below)
Also, "fuel" as you put it is also incorrect. It's how things are done in the past. Not how it can be done today, and especially in the future. There are many resources of fuel alternatives that do not pollute or at the least pollute far less.


This chart below shows how much polution a wasted battery is compared to an ICE car.

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Can the toxic chemicals in the battery be 100% recycled today? If they can't how is a dead battery a far less concern?
What about the cobalt mines and lithium mines?
Is it worth it to use child labor for less than $2 day in the Congo to mine the chemicals to go green?
 

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I watched a video the other day on the EV 10 wheel truck comparison to a 10 wheel diesel

Because there is no transmission, the EV could go right to 65 mph & beyond, with just a bit more battery power.
So they governed the amount of battery so that it only picked up speed like a diesel or gas powered 10 wheel truck. Doing that extends the range.

The 10 speed EV was a flat bed with hydraulic rams, so they could tilt the bed for unloading,
The Hydraulic Rams needed to have a a separate power supply.
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One of the issues at this time, is that there if you pull off the highway & there is a short line to get your vehicle charged & a person or 2 wants to get a FULL Charge, just like in a Albertson or Kroger Grocery store, someone is a COUPON shopper ahead of the line & another one right behind them.

That is when we watch a cat fight or even worse
same thing will happen at EV charging stations

Just as it happened in Las Vegas for the last 2 days at service stations, bumper cars & a bit of pushing of people
 
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Vastly incorrect on many fronts. I find it funny you apply what appears to be anger to your statements too. Why?

Batteries are a concern, for now, but that is in the pipeline to be fixed soon. Even so, a dead battery in its current form is FAR less polluting than ICE. (see below)
Also, "fuel" as you put it is also incorrect. It's how things are done in the past. Not how it can be done today, and especially in the future. There are many resources of fuel alternatives that do not pollute or at the least pollute far less.


This chart below shows how much polution a wasted battery is compared to an ICE car.
Your chart doesn't show the pollution from the equipment used to mine the lithium, where all that lithium comes from (hint: none from North America), and that the lithium extraction process uses a lot of water (somewhere around 500,000 gallons per metric ton of lithium) that uses fossil fuel powered machines to pump, and that water goes where water goes... back into the ecosystem.

I'll never be convinced it's better in the long run. After all, we tried battery powered vehicles before. You can't get more bang for your buck than you can from petroleum.
 

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You should recheck your data
they are mining Lithium in the southwest part of the USA
They also mine salt, oil, gold, Manganese and tungsten ore, nickel, platinum, clay, marble, zinc, & Geothermal Power Plants
The area is 60 miles north of Mexico, 120 miles east of San Diego, 30 miles south of Palm Springs, Ca
Here
is the catch, this area is in the desert, there is no available water for one type of mining Lithium, the nearest source of water is the The Sea of Cortez (also commonly called the Gulf of California )
To make the Lithium Mine in that location really profitable.
That would mean a 60 mile long canal through Mexican Farm Land,
It would have to be wide enough & deep enough for a medium sized barge.

The Canal has already been turned down one time, whether it was by the Mexican Gov't, or the property owners, or the people that do the Permitting

 

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The US and neighbors south of us have the largest Lithium deposits in the world.
But unless they can come up with a new clean way to mine it, I don't see how it will get passed the EPA.
Unless we sacrafice destroying land and polluting for great climate change god.

Hydrogen wouldn't have the same issues and can be safely used, wouldn't stress our already maxxed out grid either, and can be incorporated into our current fueling system easily.

Only reason not to pursue hydrogen fuel cells are politics.
 

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Only reason not to pursue hydrogen fuel cells are politics.

Well that, and the "little" fact that your tank just decays naturally from sitting around. Come out to your garage in 12 days and you'll find your full tank is now empty.

Hydrogen isn't the answer unfortunately.

I don't know what is, but maybe we should at the top and go after the private jets of billionaries travelling to the WEF who serve no purpose other than to mess up the lives of us common folk. Then we can go after the yachts and cruise ships; none of that would affect a commoner's life. After that we can look at the shipping industry as they're basically burning crude oil straight from the ground. Maybe add some more rail for shipping cross country.

Lots we can do before wrecking the lives of everyone trying to scrape by in life.

But the key is start at WEF, Bill Gates and friends. That dude needs to be bankrupted yesterday, if you don't like to sleep at night I suggest you look up how much farm land he owns in the USA.
 

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I have never read about hydrogen dissipating from tanks, so not sure about the science behind that. Will need to research more.

The lithium production from the large water usage activity is the repeated evaporative process to extract lithium from brine. There is a proposal to reopen a NC mine near the production plant where all the lithium is currently processed. This would be less water intensive, but has the potential to impact ground water due to the mining underground and in a pit, among other things.
 

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Easy enough to design a better tank if that's an issue.

That's all we need to do - poison our ground water.

The cobalt issue is worse than lithium as most of the known reserves are in Africa - and it's not a pretty situation at the current mines - which I think are 80% Chinese owned (at least in the Congo).
 
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