2019 6.7 burned to the ground

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My only Ram diesel source tells me his '22 came with a CP-3 from the factory and that Ram recalled some to convert the CP-4 back to a CP-3.
Yep, that's all correct. Ram stopped using the CP-4 and did a recall on the trucks that had them.
 

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CP4.2 pumps were only used for the newly designed 6.7 in 2019 & 2020 RAM trucks. That's it. And yes, they recalled to swap it to a CP3 version pump starting with 2020s first. There are probably still folks waiting to get it done so anyone such as the OP, know what to look for on 2019 & 2020 trucks if buying used. You don't want the CP4.
CP3 LEFT CP4 RIGHT
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Ok fair enough. Different by area, but either way you have to prove they caused the problem and it isn't going to be easy.
I was on a jury once, and believe me, most jurors don't care or know about the laws and whether or not there is proof.
I met a lawyer friend of a friend who said the jury is "putty" and a lawyer's job is to mold that putty.
 

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I was on a jury once, and believe me, most jurors don't care or know about the laws and whether or not there is proof.
I met a lawyer friend of a friend who said the jury is "putty" and a lawyer's job is to mold that putty.
I think his point is, the defense attorney will MOLD the jury into realizing there is NO proof or that there is doubt that the fire was caused by a faulty repair. No proof, no case.
 

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I was on a jury once, and believe me, most jurors don't care or know about the laws and whether or not there is proof.
I met a lawyer friend of a friend who said the jury is "putty" and a lawyer's job is to mold that putty.

Truth. Or, rather, the lack of it. Narrative building matters so much, hence:

When the facts are on your side, pound the facts.
When the law is on your side, pound the law.
When neither is on your side, pound the table.

I've spent a lot o' time in a courtroom and seen the arguments that go into such things as wording of jury instruction for this exact reason. The law is a component, but far from the only one. Civil law is even worse than criminal in this regard, IMO.

I think his point is, the defense attorney will MOLD the jury into realizing there is NO proof or that there is doubt that the fire was caused by a faulty repair. No proof, no case.

Respectfully, I can see you've not spent much time in a civil court. The standards of evidence and burden of proof are rather lax compared to a criminal trial. See above. In very broad strokes, civil trials are not "beyond a reasonable doubt", but rather "by the preponderance of the evidence". In every day terms, your goal is simply to show it's more likely than not that the other party caused you the harm/loss.
 
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Truth. Or, rather, the lack of it. Narrative building matters so much, hence:

When the facts are on your side, pound the facts.
When the law is on your side, pound the law.
When neither is on your side, pound the table.

I've spent a lot o' time in a courtroom and seen the arguments that go into such things as wording of jury instruction for this exact reason. The law is a component, but far from the only one. Civil law is even worse than criminal in this regard, IMO.



Respectfully, I can see you've not spent much time in a civil court. The standards of evidence and burden of proof are rather lax compared to a criminal trial. See above. In very broad strokes, civil trials are not "beyond a reasonable doubt", but rather "by the preponderance of the evidence". In every day terms, your goal is simply to show it's more likely than not that the other party caused you the harm/loss.
Yes doubt. Create doubt. I believe I said that.
 

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I've owned 12 Ram trucks going back 20 years and I'm on my last one, at least for awhile. I've had enough. Not to say my issues are anything like yours or that other brands don't have their issues. I'm sure Fords and Chevys have burned up too. I switched to a 6.4 Hemi a few months ago and while I don't think it's bad, I don't think it's great either. Its been in the shop three times already since November and has 6k on it. My last two Rams were diesels and were always in the shop with various issues. I miss a diesel, so I'm switching brands to give GM a chance. 2024 3500 High Country Midnight Edition Duramax. We'll see how it does when it gets here.
 

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Yes doubt. Create doubt. I believe I said that.

You did, and I explained why that's insufficient for a civil trial. Doubt, even significant doubt, is not enough to successfully defend against a claim. Even ignoring the reality that juries are narrative driven machines and if they just want to punish "the bad guy" they'll ignore a lack of evidence because one side is relatable. It's why large entities pay "go away" money instead of putting themselves in the hands of unpredictable jurors.
 

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I would have called the dealer while the truck was burning.
Then had what was left of it towed to the dealer and told the dealer to make a claim against his insurance.
 

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Does not work that way.
I don't think you can make a blanket statement like that. Had this truck been started and left to idle in the dealers parking lot for 10 mins it would have burned at the dealership.
Remember all the Fords that caught fire?
 

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I don't think you can make a blanket statement like that. Had this truck been started and left to idle in the dealers parking lot for 10 mins it would have burned at the dealership.
Remember all the Fords that caught fire?
That is conflating a different set of circumstance that is different from the OP's case and what you previously said of dumping the burning hulk of the vehicle back on the dealership property.

There is a chain of custody difference in the OP's case even though very brief that right or wrong gives the dealership an out from readily accepting responsibility. Dumping the burned out carcass of the vehicle back on their property does not change that dynamic or force the dealership to do anything or accept responsibility.
 
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I do appreciate all the direction I’m still needing the info of who to call mopar wise a phone number if anyone can help. in the mean time We needed to get a new truck. I cant get away from Ram. 2022 laramie 6.4L this time ( i will miss the Cummins tho) no mega cab i just cant find one
 

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Very sad indeed. Call insurance, then call your attorney. Go from there. I would not just write this off, hell no. Truck is barely 4yrs old. Customers can (and should) expect more and there's a reason why it burned to the ground. Unless you threw a burning cigarette on the floor and forgot about it, I would not just let it go.
 

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That is conflating a different set of circumstance that is different from the OP's case and what you previously said of dumping the burning hulk of the vehicle back on the dealership property.

There is a chain of custody difference in the OP's case even though very brief that right or wrong gives the dealership an out from readily accepting responsibility. Dumping the burned out carcass of the vehicle back on their property does not change that dynamic or force the dealership to do anything or accept responsibility.
You do what you want.
I would do what I want.
 

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My only Ram diesel source tells me his '22 came with a CP-3 from the factory and that Ram recalled some to convert the CP-4 back to a CP-3.

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from the 2ndhald of 2018 to 2022 they had the CP4 high pressure injector pump I believe. It wasn't until I think 21 that Ram finally admitted they had a problem. And finally put a recall on them. I knew a lot of folks that had bad problems with that CP4 grenading there trucks. All the MFG uses that CP4, and all have problems with it. But I believe Ram was the only one that put out a recall. CP4 was built for refined European fuels and couldn't take the harshness of American Sludge Diesel
 

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I was on a jury once, and believe me, most jurors don't care or know about the laws and whether or not there is proof.
I met a lawyer friend of a friend who said the jury is "putty" and a lawyer's job is to mold that putty.
They wouldn't want me on a jury on this subject. After going through the same problem
 

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from the 2ndhald of 2018 to 2022 they had the CP4 high pressure injector pump I believe. It wasn't until I think 21 that Ram finally admitted they had a problem. And finally put a recall on them. I knew a lot of folks that had bad problems with that CP4 grenading there trucks. All the MFG uses that CP4, and all have problems with it. But I believe Ram was the only one that put out a recall. CP4 was built for refined European fuels and couldn't take the harshness of American Sludge Diesel Not sure you could convert anything there two different beasts.
 

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from the 2ndhald of 2018 to 2022 they had the CP4 high pressure injector pump I believe. It wasn't until I think 21 that Ram finally admitted they had a problem. And finally put a recall on them. I knew a lot of folks that had bad problems with that CP4 grenading there trucks. All the MFG uses that CP4, and all have problems with it. But I believe Ram was the only one that put out a recall. CP4 was built for refined European fuels and couldn't take the harshness of American Sludge Diesel
2019 & 2020 were the only model year Rams that had a CP4.2 . GM only used them 2011-2016. No longer.
Ford is the only manufacturer still using it. Not RAM, not GM.
 

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