3.0L Hurricane Updates?

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I see the new 3.0L Hurricane Twin-Turbo engine is now available in certain Jeep Wagoneer model's. On jeep.com they're showing this Wagoneer engine option to have 510 HP and 500 lb.-feet of torque. That torque number is higher than any current gas engine offered in any 2500 truck on the market to my knowledge. Crazy an engine in an SUV has higher horse power and torque numbers than a heavy duty truck.

I also regarding the 6.4 Hemi I see where there is a 6.4 Hemi that is standard in certain model Jeep Wagoneer's offering 471 HP with 455 lb.-feet of torque which I believe is more HP and torque than is currently available in a 6.4 Hemi in a Ram HD truck. WTH?

Anyone heard if this new Hurricane engine will ever make it to a HD Ram or is it intended more for the higher end Wagoneer's and going to replace the 5.7?
 

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The truck 6.4 is designed for towing with 87 octane fuel,so consequently it has a milder cam and lower compression then all other 6.4's do. You wouldn't want to tow 7,000 lbs with a high compression 6.4 that has an aggressive cam designed to make power higher up in the power band,that also requires at a min 91 octane fuel,at least not for very long.
 
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The truck 6.4 is designed for towing with 87 octane fuel,so consequently it has a milder cam and lower compression then all other 6.4's do. You wouldn't want to tow 7,000 lbs with a high compression 6.4 that has an aggressive cam designed to make power higher up in the power band,that also requires at a min 91 octane fuel,at least not for very long.
I hear ya I'm just tired of Ram sucking hind ti! to Ford and GM in the HD gas engine department. I'm just not a diesel engine fan and ready for Ram to step it up.
 

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Ram purposefully built the 6.4 to be milder for longevity purposes. I'm sure you can hotrod it you choose, but honestly stepping up to the 8 speed makes a ton of difference over the 6 speed in the 2500s. Personally, I'm fine with the trade offs involved.

I'm more interested in a Hurricane equipped Gladiator than a 2500.
 

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I'm not fine with any of this. I was hoping the Hurricane would have been offered on the 2023 model year 2500. Not even thinking of another truck until it is!
 

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If and when they offer the 3.0 I6-TT on a 2500 I'll be buying one. While I'm fine with the current 6.4, it's getting long in the tooth, and I think we all want a bit more power and torque.
 

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Might be nice to look at and step up from my 1500 (hurricane in a 1500 or 2500), BUT would shiver me tailfeathers at the price, LOL.

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nothing will ever replace the power, torq, longevity and versatility of the modern V8. try as they will a 6cyl anything is still missing 2 cylinders!!
That said the whole thing with the twin turbsky's needs to be upgraded to a bigger single turbo in the trucks. to my knowledge they were supposed to be making 2 different Hurricanes for this purpose?? one with a single and the other with a twin. As this is a new option i dont know much about it. Think i will stick with my 5.7 HEMI a little longer till they at least get the "bugs" worked out of the system.

And Hey if anybody has information on this then don't be setting on it! information is power yes but inquiring minds want to know!!
 
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Mods why move my thread out of the heavy duty section? This is a discussion on heavy duty truck engines.
 
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nothing will ever replace the power, torq, longevity and versatility of the modern V8. try as they will a 6cyl anything is still missing 2 cylinders!!
That said the whole thing with the twin turbsky's needs to be upgraded to a bigger single turbo in the trucks. to my knowledge they were supposed to be making 2 different Hurricanes for this purpose?? one with a single and the other with a twin. As this is a new option i dont know much about it. Think i will stick with my 5.7 HEMI a little longer till they
Guys, the 3.0 hurricane is a light duty engine meant for cars and suvs. You most certainly don't want that thing in a heavy duty truck.
Is this your opinion or have you seen information on this?

I personally agree a 3.0L is a small engine for a heavy duty truck but the output numbers are impressive and I don’t see a big straight six fitting in a 2500.
 

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Is this your opinion or have you seen information on this?

I personally agree a 3.0L is a small engine for a heavy duty truck but the output numbers are impressive and I don’t see a big straight six fitting in a 2500.

That's currently where the 3L is going: cars, suvs, and eventually the 1500.

Even Ford who has a number of turbo options doesn't put that in their F250's, they spent millions on a 7.4 and now a 6.8. That's what ram needs to do, a big N/A v8, not these turbos.
 

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Also, there are two 6.4 hemis. Your truck makes like 410 hp, the 6.4 in the SRT models makes like 470. They are slightly different engines, but in heavy duty truck applications the goal is not max HP but max reliability under max load.

I seriously doubt the 3.0 turbo could take the abuse that your engine can.

So while I agree that it would be nice to have a bump in power, turbos aren't the answer; bigger displacement is.
 
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That's currently where the 3L is going: cars, suvs, and eventually the 1500.

Even Ford who has a number of turbo options doesn't put that in their F250's, they spent millions on a 7.4 and now a 6.8. That's what ram needs to do, a big N/A v8, not these turbos.
Yeah it’s an option in an SUV but that SUV also has the Hemi 6.4 as an option.
 

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Guys, the 3.0 hurricane is a light duty engine meant for cars and suvs. You most certainly don't want that thing in a heavy duty truck.

Actually, I do. The 6.4 Hemi is an ok engine, but lets not ignore the elephant in the room. It's old, lacks power and end of life. Also to mention it's a p.o.s. when it comes to durability. Lucky to make it 100k miles before having to replace the lifters and cam. Which is a matter of when, not if they fail. 99% of people aren't equipped to handle that repair on their own, so they're shelling out thousands to get it fixed. Well, on a smaller displacement boosted engine there are drawbacks, like turbo life. Fine. Not if, but when those turbo's fail. I'm fine with that. I'll take the higher horsepower and torque

Now, if cummins actually releases the 6.7 gas engine they've been developing, and Ram uses that instead of the 3.0 I6-TT, well then hell yeah. I'm all for that as well.

Otherwise, the 6.4 is dead. The 5.7 is dead. They're going to stop production. So that leaves, what? What are they going to put in the 2500/3500 as a gas option?
 

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Actually, I do. The 6.4 Hemi is an ok engine, but lets not ignore the elephant in the room. It's old, lacks power and end of life. Also to mention it's a p.o.s. when it comes to durability. Lucky to make it 100k miles before having to replace the lifters and cam. Which is a matter of when, not if they fail. 99% of people aren't equipped to handle that repair on their own, so they're shelling out thousands to get it fixed. Well, on a smaller displacement boosted engine there are drawbacks, like turbo life. Fine. Not if, but when those turbo's fail. I'm fine with that. I'll take the higher horsepower and torque

Now, if cummins actually releases the 6.7 gas engine they've been developing, and Ram uses that instead of the 3.0 I6-TT, well then hell yeah. I'm all for that as well.

Otherwise, the 6.4 is dead. The 5.7 is dead. They're going to stop production. So that leaves, what? What are they going to put in the 2500/3500 as a gas option?

I don't disagree with the fact that the 6.4 BGE is no longer competitive. I'm simply saying replacing it with the 3.0L turbo is a bad choice, you'll jump from the frying pan into the fire. There is much more that goes into choosing a good truck engine than simply peak HP numbers.

What Ram needs is a bigger v8.
 

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I don't disagree with the fact that the 6.4 BGE is no longer competitive. I'm simply saying replacing it with the 3.0L turbo is a bad choice, you'll jump from the frying pan into the fire. There is much more that goes into choosing a good truck engine than simply peak HP numbers.

What Ram needs is a bigger v8.
They already have everything in the parts bin to build a 426/7L ,and i think thats the way they should of went.
 

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They need to $hitcan the Hemi nonsense and put a modern, fast burn 4 valve head on. Would only need a single plug, too.

This isn't the 1950's making an engine for NASCAR racing, then dropping it into an inappropriate application - a truck - and calling it good. It's ridiculous.

Except for @Wild one , of course
 

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They need to $hitcan the Hemi nonsense and put a modern, fast burn 4 valve head on. Would only need a single plug, too.

This isn't the 1950's making an engine for NASCAR racing, then dropping it into an inappropriate application - a truck - and calling it good. It's ridiculous.

Except for @Wild one , of course
A dual overhead cam 4 valve 426 with the latest head tech applied to it,would make for a good HD engine. That would bypass alot of the issues this generation of cam in block engine has.
 

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