Enough is enough!

gfh77665 · Apr 15, 2023

I am tired of being blinded and many more are too. Where does it end?

Sign the Petition

Ban Blinding Headlights and Save Lives!

www.change.org

BossHogg · Apr 16, 2023

Around my area, many use aftermarket solutions in their factory headlamp buckets. They will install an LED source or a HID light source into a reflection system that was designed for a halogen bulb. They look like a 747 coming down the roadway for a landing.

Writing more laws without the funds set aside to enforce the laws is futile. We already have laws from the DOT that talk about headlamps but I don't see these folks getting stopped by law enforcement.

jejb · Apr 16, 2023

The article's author says they "feel" like it's an issue. How about some facts and stats to back that up? Are the increased fatalities related to this somehow?

At any rate, I've not noticed an issue with OEM lights, so did not sign it.

Travelin Ram · Apr 16, 2023

I share your frustration. However, to support what @BossHogg stated, in my experience it’s not OEM lighting that’s the problem. It’s the person who put aftermarket parts on. A bunch of bureaucracy aimed at manufacturers won’t help.

What it would take are outlawing use of non-DOT approved lighting (which if I’m not mistaken is technically already on the books) and enforcement. As in cops stopping vehicles that are obvious offenders and writing citations or impounding them. Coupled with checking headlights at inspection intervals.

I have zero faith there’s political will to embrace this however. Where I live they did away with annual state inspections and all manner of junk is on the road.

I have no issue with someone installing DOT compliant lighting upgrades. But all this chynese krap that people are buying for cheap is the problem.

Docwagon1776 · Apr 16, 2023

BossHogg said:
We already have laws from the DOT that talk about headlamps but I don't see these folks getting stopped by law enforcement.

Travelin Ram said:
What it would take are outlawing use of non-DOT approved lighting (which if I’m not mistaken is technically already on the books) and enforcement. As in cops stopping vehicles that are obvious offenders and writing citations or impounding them. Coupled with checking headlights at inspection intervals.

Absent very special circumstances, such as a TFO who's dual badged with a federal agency, there's no authority to enforce federal law granted to non-federal law enforcement. Hence why so many federal laws are mirrored in state laws. The same is true in reverse, federal LE can't enforce state laws unless the state specifically grants them the authority to do so.

rule18 · Apr 16, 2023

The OEM side isn't without blame, although it's usually an easy fix. We have a '21 Outback with very bright LEDs and good optics that send the light out very well, and into the eyes of oncoming drivers (from the factory). This was solved by a quick re-aiming of my headlights, the same process that I used when I put the aftermarket LEDs in my truck. I bet there's just as many poorly aimed headlights as there are crappy glare bombs.

TRK_GANG74 · Apr 16, 2023

How about instead of trying to always ban something you don’t like, people just stop buying the cheap Chinese crap and putting it in any housing. Banning stuff doesn’t work and neither does putting another useless law on the books. Oh yea aim your headlights properly.

Daw14 · Apr 16, 2023

No matter how hard we try , stupid will be with us forever.

turkeybird56 · Apr 16, 2023

As somebody once said: "You Can't Fix Stupid". I personally think they should add the word "ignorant" into that phrase. I have reflector LED OEM on my early DT Bighorn and they R great,. light road well, and are aimed appropriately from factory.

barr0208 · Apr 16, 2023

how about the new ford super duty trucks with 4 running headlights they blind everything gm trucks at least a few years ago and there suv are all aimed bad from the factory i have met many new rams with led headlights and have not had any blinding issues.

GTyankee · Apr 17, 2023

Ford trucks seem to be the ones with poorly aimed headlights
whether it comes that way from the factory, or more Ford trucks have height modifications, then other vehicles.

When i am working, i drive where my customers need me to, which is all over the USA.
An old friend first pointed it out to me on a trip from San Diego to Pennsylvania, we were following a truck with a Huge Solar Turbine Generator & oncoming headlights bothered his eyes

Scottly · Apr 17, 2023

Travelin Ram said:
I have no issue with someone installing DOT compliant lighting upgrades.

DOT compliant aftermarket headlights comply with DOT certifications as much as diesel delete kits....They don't. The testing process to get the DOT to certify a part is so expensive that to think these aftermarket companies that advertise that ACTUALLY had them certified is laughable.

Fatbob Frank · Apr 17, 2023

As someone who spends half my time driving in the middle of the night, I'd just like to say I absolutely love my LED headlights...
(I even added them to my Streetglide and Crossbones as well.)
Nothing lights up a deer's eyes like LED's...

Travelin Ram · Apr 17, 2023

Scottly said:
DOT compliant aftermarket headlights comply with DOT certifications as much as diesel delete kits....They don't. The testing process to get the DOT to certify a part is so expensive that to think these aftermarket companies that advertise that ACTUALLY had them certified is laughable.

So, your thesis is that some people lie, therefore no one ever tells the truth?

Delete kits are not comparable. The producers know it’s an outlaw product when they’re building it; it’s factually impossible to sell a street legal delete.

Dusty · Apr 17, 2023

BossHogg said:
Around my area, many use aftermarket solutions in their factory headlamp buckets. They will install an LED source or a HID light source into a reflection system that was designed for a halogen bulb. They look like a 747 coming down the roadway for a landing.

Writing more laws without the funds set aside to enforce the laws is futile. We already have laws from the DOT that talk about headlamps but I don't see these folks getting stopped by law enforcement.

Start calling them 'assault headlights' and you'll get a stronger reaction.

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, factory dual exhaust, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 87633 miles.

Overlander · Apr 17, 2023

It takes zero effort to not stare at the oncoming headlights. It's easy to become distracted by the approaching lights, but that's because you've chosen to focus on them. Just keep your focal point in your lane and it's not a big deal. Everything doesn't need to be a petition or rant.

Regarding the petition's inference that the 'blinding' lights have become a contributor to the fatality rate, I say rubbish. To the contrary, dim lights cause late reactions putting drivers and pedestrians at risk.

DAVECS1 · Apr 17, 2023

I have found high quality auxiliary amber driving lights, aimed currectly do a number of things well.

They provide the needed lighting with contrast so white lines can be seen on blacktop

Work well in inclement weather like blinding snow

Can be poisitioned low and aimed low as the ground does not absorb the light as much

Easier on the eyes to oncoming traffic.

Jerrybob · Apr 17, 2023

Just read that by law you have to turn your headlights on when it’s raining in Sweden

How the f*#k do I know when it’s raining in Sweden?

Ratman6161 · Apr 17, 2023

TRK_GANG74 said:
How about instead of trying to always ban something you don’t like, people just stop buying the cheap Chinese crap and putting it in any housing. Banning stuff doesn’t work and neither does putting another useless law on the books. Oh yea aim your headlights properly.

Where it was made and who made it and for how much isn't relevant to the discussion

TotallyHucked · Apr 17, 2023

Yeah, more government over reach is exactly what we need

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