Enough is enough!

gfh77665 said:

I am tired of being blinded and many more are too. Where does it end?

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In Missouri I see these very bright blue headlights and the white bright enough to be search lights. In addition the people who keep their bar linghts on while in traffic. But the cops just ignore them. It's an accident waiting to happen.

Ratman6161 said:

Where it was made and who made it and for how much isn't relevant to the discussion

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Quality lights (i.e. Baja, Rigid, etc.) have much better focal quality resulting in light staying where it's aimed. Compared to Harbor Freight that look pretty but don't have the same optics. So yes, it's very relevant.

in my area we have lots of aftermarket led's put into trucks. one simple solution is remind yourself you are not a moth you don't have to stare at them! pretty simple

bigdog85 said:

in my area we have lots of aftermarket led's put into trucks. one simple solution is remind yourself you are not a moth you don't have to stare at them! pretty simple

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It's very odd how enough people haven't learned to glance towards the right ditch while passing oncoming search beacons.

Like you said, try to remember, we're not a moth. LOL

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BossHogg said:

Around my area, many use aftermarket solutions in their factory headlamp buckets. They will install an LED source or a HID light source into a reflection system that was designed for a halogen bulb. They look like a 747 coming down the roadway for a landing.

Writing more laws without the funds set aside to enforce the laws is futile. We already have laws from the DOT that talk about headlamps but I don't see these folks getting stopped by law enforcement.

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Reflectors reflect. That's all they do. If the light source is properly situated then the beam will be "reflected" to the exact same place whether halogen or LED. It'll just be cleaner and give a better visual if its LED. The problem lies with junk from china that puts out a lot of light but isn't designed well because china don't care. Lots of dummies think seeing up into the trees at night is cool.
The other problem is most folks don't have a clue about alignment of the housing and it's about the simplest thing a person can do. 1 tool and a wall. Job done.

it is hard to jack up the front of a vehicle & have the light beam point where it should be

headlight beam on a jacked up truck

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Imo, there will be more accidents and injuries if more people have to drive with dimmer lights. DOT approved lighting is already on the books. I agree that this is sometimes a problem but I think the opposite might be a bigger problem. I don't feel confident this legislation would end up getting us to a happy medium. We need to roll back bureaucracy at this point and not increase it.

My 2019 Laramie came with LEDs and after driving it for a while whenever I would get into my wife's 2018 Grand Cherokee with Halogens I felt like I was wearing sunglasses.
It was shocking how dim and yellow they seem in comparison!
Fortunately, my Power Wagon and her new Grand Cherokee both came with LEDs...

I also notice than nearly every semi I meet at night had LEDs now too...
Even their lowbeams are super bright and right in the face.
If I didn't have LEDs they'd overpower mine easily and I think it would be hard to see my lane.
As it is I can see just fine vs oncoming traffic...

Fatbob Frank said:

My 2019 Laramie came with LEDs and after driving it for a while whenever I would get into my wife's 2018 Grand Cherokee with Halogens I felt like I was wearing sunglasses.
It was shocking how dim and yellow they seem in comparison!

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The color temperature of light, often expressed as the Kelvin temperature determines how well the light lights with respect to the sensitivity of our eyes. Lower Kelvin temperatures, for example, 2,700K are better for casting light through the fog (recall the amber lens covers for sealed beam lights).

The natural temperature of LEDs is, I believe, around 6,000K. The ideal temperature for headlamp lighting is around 4,300K. But customers demanded LED lighting and many chased after the 6K plus color temperatures because they wanted the blue tones from the lighting which, did nothing for illuminating the road but certainly irritated on-coming drivers.

I recently purchased new lighting for my electronics workbench. The light I chose offers two Kelvin settings, 2700K (a warm white) and 5000K (daylight). I found it interesting that each temperature had benefits depending on what I was working on.

I'd like to see driver-selectable color temperatures for headlamp lighting, lower Kelvins work better for fog/haze while a higher temperature works great for a clear night while driving on black road surfaces. Since we are faced with different roadway colors and various driving conditions from fog to rain to snowfall (for some), it makes sense to have adjustable color temperature lighting.

GTyankee said:

it is hard to jack up the front of a vehicle & have the light beam point where it should be

headlight beam on a jacked up truck

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That is another issue and manufacturers could address vehicle loading by using auto-leveling headlamps. They have them but they are often reserved for luxury brands.

BossHogg said:

That is another issue and manufacturers could address vehicle loading by using auto-leveling headlamps. They have them but they are often reserved for luxury brands.

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This sounds like you expect the manufacturers to use 'uncommon sense' before the mighty dollar, I don't see that ever happening.

The block heater cord on my Warlock is about 10" too short to not require an extension to reach the tow hook opening. What would that have cost, 15 cents?

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How well LED lights light up the road is eye dependent to a certain degree.
I have a 22 Traverse with LED factory lights, they light up signs very well, but I can't see crap as far as the road goes - no depth of field with the white light, my 16 Ram Halogen lights are far superior in lighting up the road surface.

Aiming will help, but to be honest the color temperature is what hurts my eyes just as much as the aiming.

I am all for banning ALL aftermarket LED bulbs that fit non-LED housings. They can make slightly brighter halogens that work as well for lighting up the road without blinding oncoming traffic.
For ex. the H9 upgrade for H11 bulbs.

I do agree LED lights do light up animal eyes very well - about their only redeeming value. lol

I was sitting at a gas station and their was this Ram with LED killer lights - I am to the side by several cars and up hill of her waiting to meet another guy - so I go tell her that her lights need aimed as they are blinding me where I am sitting and can only imagine what they are doing to oncoming traffic.
She replies - they are aimed how they are supposed to be. Clueless.
Then the guy I was waiting for pulls in and pulls in, in a Ram 1500, about where opposite traffic would be. As he backs into the parking spot, I look over and he is lit up light a Christmas tree inside the cab with his arm up infront of his face blocking her lights hahaha

Headlights are one thing. The brake lights on my 2015 are weak. The 3rd tail light is better.

There is Nothing wrong with putting in aftermarket Head lamps I.e LED as long as the person follows the instructions as stated in the instructions to clock them properly and re aim them !
you will be astonished on how many repair facility's small and large dealers as well replace head lamp assembly's and never every aim head lamps after replacement !!!!! and i would say 90% of the population have no idea about head lamp aiming or if there head lamps are even out of alignment !!!!!!

For me, i have the best setup for front lighting
when i first bought the Ram, there was times that i could not see 50 feet in front of the truck during fog & at night when it is raining.



At the rear, during night Fog conditions, i turn on my cargo light
I notice other people with pickups doing the same thing.
You don't have to tailgate them, because that light cuts through the fog

I put LED lights in my 2022 Ram 2500. Clocked correctly.
Aimed correctly.

I run Hot shot and traverse the back roads of Texas at all hours of the day and night. The low beams work a lot better than the candlelight’s that came with the truck.
On high beam though, looks like I’m landing a 787. When nobody is around the high beams come on and I can see every deer on the shoulder for 300 yards. I also run LED amber/white fog lights

I run air bags, so when I’m loaded I can still level the truck to keeps the low beams in check. I love’em. You don’t like’em, sorry Karen, but they’re staying.

Overlander said:

It takes zero effort to not stare at the oncoming headlights. It's easy to become distracted by the approaching lights, but that's because you've chosen to focus on them.

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What?? Oncoming car is 1/4 mile away on a narrow road, the lanes are only divided by a dotted line. Traffic will pass each other a few feet apart. No one is "Staring into oncoming headlights". I avert my eyes as much as possible but I HAVE to look forward.

Then, what about the POS who blinds you from behind? The million watt beams hit you from three different mirrors. Enough of this.

GTyankee said:

Ford trucks seem to be the ones with poorly aimed headlights
whether it comes that way from the factory, or more Ford trucks have height modifications, then other vehicles.

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I agree. Fords are usually the worst, but aftermarket crap can be thrown on anything to blind oncoming traffic.

farout75 said:

In Missouri I see these very bright blue headlights and the white bright enough to be search lights. In addition the people who keep their bar linghts on while in traffic. But the cops just ignore them. It's an accident waiting to happen.

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Accidents, and and rage. Guarantee it.

bigdog85 said:

in my area we have lots of aftermarket led's put into trucks. one simple solution is remind yourself you are not a moth you don't have to stare at them! pretty simple

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Total BS. I have to face forward. I avert my eyes as much as possible but blinding is blinding. That makes as much sense as a punk with a 10000 watt sound system blowing everyone's ears out telling everybody to "just don't listen". Total BS.